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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership 10:21 - Jul 17 with 2543 viewsStokieBlue

I thought this should be highlighted in it's own thread as it's just incredible behaviour from the top two Lib Dems:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/lib-dems-cable-and-farron-attac

How can they possibly justify not turning up for a crucial vote in which they very nearly could have made a massive difference. It's totally unacceptable and they should be called up on it.

"Farron was giving a talk in Sherborne on how he squares his controversial views as an evangelical Christian with being a liberal politician."

Far more important than a crucial brexit vote....

SB

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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 10:23 - Jul 17 with 2525 viewsGeoffSentence

Their justification was that they did not think it would be that close.

For crying out loud, they are supposed to be leading the case to remain and they are making as bad a job of that as the government is of taking us out.

We are led by fools.

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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 10:23 - Jul 17 with 2525 viewsSwansea_Blue

Disappointing, although I've never particularly warmed to either of them. Shame as we desperately need a credible alternative option who aren't racist (I see UKIP made significant poll gains over the weekend).

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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 10:34 - Jul 17 with 2497 viewsNo9

They cannot justify not turning up for the vote but, as I posted elsewhere they ay have another agenda.
The ex deputy PM was on last night statign he knows the EU will not accept the amended white paper (the government look very, very foolish to send the original to the EU before it got voted on) which means the brexiteers move closer to their goal of an all out.
Justine Greening may well hold the key?
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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 10:35 - Jul 17 with 2489 viewsStokieBlue

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 10:34 - Jul 17 by No9

They cannot justify not turning up for the vote but, as I posted elsewhere they ay have another agenda.
The ex deputy PM was on last night statign he knows the EU will not accept the amended white paper (the government look very, very foolish to send the original to the EU before it got voted on) which means the brexiteers move closer to their goal of an all out.
Justine Greening may well hold the key?


How does any of that line up with the Lib Dem agenda of staying in the EU?

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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 10:43 - Jul 17 with 2467 viewsNo9

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 10:35 - Jul 17 by StokieBlue

How does any of that line up with the Lib Dem agenda of staying in the EU?

SB


If Justine Greening can get support for her proposal it could mean there is an alternative result. But that needs to get support to get it through IF she can get it into parliament.
Supposedly the change in the electorate = above 18 & deaths means the remainers beleive they have a better chance of winning.

It give the Lib-Dems the opposrtunity they don't currently have- isn't that the case?

In my view, if that happens the leavers will NOT be as orderly in the remainers have been and violence may well erupt.
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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 10:56 - Jul 17 with 2447 viewsKeno

As a party member I am emailed my disgust at this failing

Farron is basically a dick

Bring back Clegg

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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 11:10 - Jul 17 with 2427 viewsNo9

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 10:56 - Jul 17 by Keno

As a party member I am emailed my disgust at this failing

Farron is basically a dick

Bring back Clegg


Did you see Clegg on TV last night?
It is pretty ovious he is working behind the scenes isn't it?
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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 11:16 - Jul 17 with 2417 viewsKeno

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 11:10 - Jul 17 by No9

Did you see Clegg on TV last night?
It is pretty ovious he is working behind the scenes isn't it?


working on his rehabilitation I think

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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 11:21 - Jul 17 with 2400 viewsGuthrum

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 10:43 - Jul 17 by No9

If Justine Greening can get support for her proposal it could mean there is an alternative result. But that needs to get support to get it through IF she can get it into parliament.
Supposedly the change in the electorate = above 18 & deaths means the remainers beleive they have a better chance of winning.

It give the Lib-Dems the opposrtunity they don't currently have- isn't that the case?

In my view, if that happens the leavers will NOT be as orderly in the remainers have been and violence may well erupt.


There will be a lot of shouting, but I very much doubt there will be serious violence beyond a few nutcases.

What we might well get is a disintegration of the Conservative Party (perhaps a split within Labour, too) and the rise of UKIP Mk2.

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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 12:05 - Jul 17 with 2357 viewsNo9

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 11:21 - Jul 17 by Guthrum

There will be a lot of shouting, but I very much doubt there will be serious violence beyond a few nutcases.

What we might well get is a disintegration of the Conservative Party (perhaps a split within Labour, too) and the rise of UKIP Mk2.


A major split in the tories looks inevitable. One of the political commentators made the case at the week-end that which ever side of the tories lose the wounds will be very diffficult to heal.

Labour is split severely but for different reasons and may well form a new party of the young. The old socialist ideals have been split by money rather than idealism.

UKip & the tory right will not let this go now they are so close - to hell with the people. I hope you are right but I see enough indicators to think things may become very nasty aided & abbetted by our 'friends' across the pond and their liaisons with certain MP's

It is interesting times but what damage will it do to the country as a whole?
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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 12:19 - Jul 17 with 2329 viewsSteve_M

Generous use of the word leadership there. Utterly pathetic from them too.

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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 12:36 - Jul 17 with 2301 viewsGuthrum

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 12:05 - Jul 17 by No9

A major split in the tories looks inevitable. One of the political commentators made the case at the week-end that which ever side of the tories lose the wounds will be very diffficult to heal.

Labour is split severely but for different reasons and may well form a new party of the young. The old socialist ideals have been split by money rather than idealism.

UKip & the tory right will not let this go now they are so close - to hell with the people. I hope you are right but I see enough indicators to think things may become very nasty aided & abbetted by our 'friends' across the pond and their liaisons with certain MP's

It is interesting times but what damage will it do to the country as a whole?


Organising an actual armed rebellion in the UK is very difficult.

We lack an overtly politicised military or police force (more accurately, they are politically diverse), both owing allegiance to a neutral Head of State. Obtaining arms and equipment is not easy, also most people lack training in using them.

Another aspect is leadership. Who would provide a unifying focus with the charisma, ability and, above all, nerve to raise rebellion? Boris isn't Churchill (however much he thinks he might be), or Rees-Mogg a Cromwell (tho perhaps closer, in some ways) - neither is (or has the backing possessed by) John Pym. The government would have to mess things up worse than Charles I to let the situation get that far away from them.

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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 12:43 - Jul 17 with 2292 viewsNo9

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 12:36 - Jul 17 by Guthrum

Organising an actual armed rebellion in the UK is very difficult.

We lack an overtly politicised military or police force (more accurately, they are politically diverse), both owing allegiance to a neutral Head of State. Obtaining arms and equipment is not easy, also most people lack training in using them.

Another aspect is leadership. Who would provide a unifying focus with the charisma, ability and, above all, nerve to raise rebellion? Boris isn't Churchill (however much he thinks he might be), or Rees-Mogg a Cromwell (tho perhaps closer, in some ways) - neither is (or has the backing possessed by) John Pym. The government would have to mess things up worse than Charles I to let the situation get that far away from them.


I like your confidence but I am still concerend this will get nasty, maybe not on a national scale, maybe just locally.

Watch how much UKip grow, watch what the tory right do and see if they align/

Will MP's who went against their electorate be de-selected or not?

As far as BJ & JRM are concerned I am convinced they are just duplicitous b@stards who are just in politics for their own ends, cowards both i dont think they would be to the forefront it is those behind the scenes who will do their bidding - unidentified, that is where the demons lay.
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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 13:23 - Jul 17 with 2230 viewseireblue

Well at least we don't have to listen to one of Farron's speeches on how he "squares his... views".

We know how he manages that now.

He prioritises.

Talking about himself as a politician is more important than actually doing the job of a politician.
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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 13:58 - Jul 17 with 2202 viewsitfcjoe

Absolutely ridiculous - those 2 and the 2 SNPs would have swung the vote.

An absolute balls up from a party that should have made inroads but hasn't

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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 14:03 - Jul 17 with 2191 viewsNo9

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 13:58 - Jul 17 by itfcjoe

Absolutely ridiculous - those 2 and the 2 SNPs would have swung the vote.

An absolute balls up from a party that should have made inroads but hasn't


The fact the Lib-Dems can't accrue votes probably tells you more about the Britsh electorate than anything else.

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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 17:03 - Jul 17 with 2132 viewsLuk38644

So two of the most prominent figures in the biggest Brexit-opposing party in the UK couldn't be bothered to vote as they 'didn't think it would be close'?

If I was a Lib Dem, I'd be absolutely livid. They should be filling Labour's void and mopping up the anti-Brexit liberal vote, yet every single party on both sides seem absolutely useless.
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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 19:38 - Jul 17 with 2074 viewspickles110564

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 13:58 - Jul 17 by itfcjoe

Absolutely ridiculous - those 2 and the 2 SNPs would have swung the vote.

An absolute balls up from a party that should have made inroads but hasn't


An absolute balls up from a party that should have made inroads but hasn't - So what does that tell you about that party?
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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 20:20 - Jul 17 with 2060 viewsm14_blue

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 17:03 - Jul 17 by Luk38644

So two of the most prominent figures in the biggest Brexit-opposing party in the UK couldn't be bothered to vote as they 'didn't think it would be close'?

If I was a Lib Dem, I'd be absolutely livid. They should be filling Labour's void and mopping up the anti-Brexit liberal vote, yet every single party on both sides seem absolutely useless.


It's absolutely shameful.

They're basically a one issue party and they couldn't be bothered to turn up and vote on that issue.

I'm gobsmacked.

Who is representing me and my (fairly mainstream) centre ground views at the moment?? It's pathetic.
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This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 20:21 - Jul 17 with 2056 viewspickles110564

This is bad from the Lib Dem leadership on 14:03 - Jul 17 by No9

The fact the Lib-Dems can't accrue votes probably tells you more about the Britsh electorate than anything else.

Watch how the Trade Bill goes this evening


For Brexit all the way, how did you think it was going to go?
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