| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout 08:18 - Sep 6 with 5154 views | hype313 |
Harry Arter has refused to join up whilst he is in charge.
A couple of comments I saw below made me laugh but also got me thinking.
"Done very well at Sunderland" You could argue otherwise
"Are Ipswich any better now than when he left?" Initially you laugh at that statement, but in the cold light of day, are we? |  |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:21 - Sep 6 with 3151 views | BlueBadger |
Well, we're not in League One, which was where we were headed had he stayed on.
Although the pressers are terribly dull now. |  |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:24 - Sep 6 with 3137 views | hype313 |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:21 - Sep 6 by BlueBadger |
Well, we're not in League One, which was where we were headed had he stayed on.
Although the pressers are terribly dull now. |
Not guaranteed and you could argue we on the same track now.
I'm no Keane fan by any stretch and gladly saw the back of him, but as I say, in the cold light of day, are we far better off since he left? I'm talking about on the pitch, not in and around the club. | |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:26 - Sep 6 with 3123 views | No9 |
"Are Ipswich any better now than when he left?" Initially you laugh at that statement, but in the cold light of day, are we?
A very bif YES = he is no longer involved with ITFC thatcan only be + |  | | |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:30 - Sep 6 with 3093 views | Herbivore |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:24 - Sep 6 by hype313 |
Not guaranteed and you could argue we on the same track now.
I'm no Keane fan by any stretch and gladly saw the back of him, but as I say, in the cold light of day, are we far better off since he left? I'm talking about on the pitch, not in and around the club. |
We've managed 4 top half finishes in the last 5 seasons including making the play offs on one occasion. We haven't been massively underachieving and playing turgid football with one of the most expensively assembled squads in the league and indeed in our whole history. So yes, I'd say we're better off. |  |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:32 - Sep 6 with 3087 views | No9 |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:24 - Sep 6 by hype313 |
Not guaranteed and you could argue we on the same track now.
I'm no Keane fan by any stretch and gladly saw the back of him, but as I say, in the cold light of day, are we far better off since he left? I'm talking about on the pitch, not in and around the club. |
"I'm no Keane fan by any stretch and gladly saw the back of him, but as I say, in the cold light of day, are we far better off since he left? I'm talking about on the pitch, not in and around the club."
That is nothing to do with RK but a lot to do with who selected the personnel who followed him.
He left a very poor squad which has been re-built several times = nothing to do with RK | | | |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:36 - Sep 6 with 3067 views | tractorshark |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:32 - Sep 6 by No9 |
"I'm no Keane fan by any stretch and gladly saw the back of him, but as I say, in the cold light of day, are we far better off since he left? I'm talking about on the pitch, not in and around the club."
That is nothing to do with RK but a lot to do with who selected the personnel who followed him.
He left a very poor squad which has been re-built several times = nothing to do with RK |
He was hindered by clueless Clegg but he did pay £1.8m for Tamas Priskin.
That’s not something to put on your cv. | | | |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:39 - Sep 6 with 3053 views | No9 |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:36 - Sep 6 by tractorshark |
He was hindered by clueless Clegg but he did pay £1.8m for Tamas Priskin.
That’s not something to put on your cv. |
Priskin wasn't the only mistake was he?
& to be fair to TP he had played OK elsewhere | | | |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:43 - Sep 6 with 3035 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:32 - Sep 6 by No9 |
"I'm no Keane fan by any stretch and gladly saw the back of him, but as I say, in the cold light of day, are we far better off since he left? I'm talking about on the pitch, not in and around the club."
That is nothing to do with RK but a lot to do with who selected the personnel who followed him.
He left a very poor squad which has been re-built several times = nothing to do with RK |
Keane was very poor as a manger but to say he left a poor squad is utter nonsense. Fulop, McAuley, Delaney, Leadbitter and Wickham went on to play in the Premier League. Those around them, Edwards, Smith, Norris, Hourihane, Martin, Scotland and Priskin would all walk into our team now.
Mick Mac would have had that team promoted.
Keane had many failings, but the squad he left wasn’t one of them. [Post edited 6 Sep 2018 8:43]
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:45 - Sep 6 with 3018 views | hype313 |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:43 - Sep 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Keane was very poor as a manger but to say he left a poor squad is utter nonsense. Fulop, McAuley, Delaney, Leadbitter and Wickham went on to play in the Premier League. Those around them, Edwards, Smith, Norris, Hourihane, Martin, Scotland and Priskin would all walk into our team now.
Mick Mac would have had that team promoted.
Keane had many failings, but the squad he left wasn’t one of them. [Post edited 6 Sep 2018 8:43]
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Agree on the whole, but I wouldn't say Martin and Priskin would walk into our team now. | |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:46 - Sep 6 with 3008 views | Bluefish |
That is like a cowboy builder coming along to build an extension and knocking your whole house down and contaminating the land. You then sack him and employ a proper builder who sets to work clearing the rubble, decontaminating and laying foundations. You can't then accuse him at that point as being the same as the cowboy because you haven't got a house yet. |  |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:48 - Sep 6 with 2994 views | No9 |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:43 - Sep 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Keane was very poor as a manger but to say he left a poor squad is utter nonsense. Fulop, McAuley, Delaney, Leadbitter and Wickham went on to play in the Premier League. Those around them, Edwards, Smith, Norris, Hourihane, Martin, Scotland and Priskin would all walk into our team now.
Mick Mac would have had that team promoted.
Keane had many failings, but the squad he left wasn’t one of them. [Post edited 6 Sep 2018 8:43]
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The quality of the players you name is subjective.
Delaney? Leadbitter?
You think Scotland & Martin would get in the squad now? | | | |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:48 - Sep 6 with 2994 views | Herbivore |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:45 - Sep 6 by hype313 |
Agree on the whole, but I wouldn't say Martin and Priskin would walk into our team now. |
Or Edwards or Smith or that version of Hourihane. Not sure Norris would walk in either. Aside from that he's spot on. | |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:48 - Sep 6 with 2988 views | Bluefish |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:43 - Sep 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Keane was very poor as a manger but to say he left a poor squad is utter nonsense. Fulop, McAuley, Delaney, Leadbitter and Wickham went on to play in the Premier League. Those around them, Edwards, Smith, Norris, Hourihane, Martin, Scotland and Priskin would all walk into our team now.
Mick Mac would have had that team promoted.
Keane had many failings, but the squad he left wasn’t one of them. [Post edited 6 Sep 2018 8:43]
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How is your leg mate? Did they check you for concussion while you were there? Might be worth popping back in | |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:49 - Sep 6 with 2985 views | hype313 |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:48 - Sep 6 by No9 |
The quality of the players you name is subjective.
Delaney? Leadbitter?
You think Scotland & Martin would get in the squad now? |
Delaney for us wasn't great but you can't argue he didn't go onto better things and surprised all of us Town fans. | |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:50 - Sep 6 with 2973 views | tractordownsouth |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:43 - Sep 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Keane was very poor as a manger but to say he left a poor squad is utter nonsense. Fulop, McAuley, Delaney, Leadbitter and Wickham went on to play in the Premier League. Those around them, Edwards, Smith, Norris, Hourihane, Martin, Scotland and Priskin would all walk into our team now.
Mick Mac would have had that team promoted.
Keane had many failings, but the squad he left wasn’t one of them. [Post edited 6 Sep 2018 8:43]
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Keane's squad also lacked creativity by the shed load - any form of pace we had was done away with ( with the exception of perhaps Townsend on loan) |  |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:51 - Sep 6 with 2967 views | No9 |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:49 - Sep 6 by hype313 |
Delaney for us wasn't great but you can't argue he didn't go onto better things and surprised all of us Town fans. |
Delaney did better than a lot thought he would but that could be down to a number of factors, not least coaching staff but, the fact is at Town he wasn't much cop. | | | |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:52 - Sep 6 with 2954 views | No9 |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:46 - Sep 6 by Bluefish |
That is like a cowboy builder coming along to build an extension and knocking your whole house down and contaminating the land. You then sack him and employ a proper builder who sets to work clearing the rubble, decontaminating and laying foundations. You can't then accuse him at that point as being the same as the cowboy because you haven't got a house yet. |
Very good analogy | | | |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:52 - Sep 6 with 2951 views | hype313 |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:50 - Sep 6 by tractordownsouth |
Keane's squad also lacked creativity by the shed load - any form of pace we had was done away with ( with the exception of perhaps Townsend on loan) |
The loss of pace wasn't just down to Keane, neither Jewell or Mick injected much into the squad either, which is why people were happy with the recent signings as it's something we have lacked for a long, long time. | |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:52 - Sep 6 with 2958 views | Steve_M |
Compare the financial context of the division in 2011 with the way it is now though. Magilton and Keane had a comparative advantage over the rest of the division and under-preformed. McCarthy had a comparative disadvantage and generally over-performed. |  |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:53 - Sep 6 with 2935 views | Bluefish |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:52 - Sep 6 by Steve_M |
Compare the financial context of the division in 2011 with the way it is now though. Magilton and Keane had a comparative advantage over the rest of the division and under-preformed. McCarthy had a comparative disadvantage and generally over-performed. |
Any idiot could finish mid table back then | |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:53 - Sep 6 with 2926 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:45 - Sep 6 by hype313 |
Agree on the whole, but I wouldn't say Martin and Priskin would walk into our team now. |
Priskin v Harrison or Jackson? Definitely.
He was a good player ruined by two managers in Keane and Jewell. There been a lot of revision regarding Priskin. Useusky bevause the funds used to buy him were raised from selling a Rhodes. He’d done well at Watford and even when we were struggling under Keane Priskin was getting something like seven or eight MOTM votes. I remember at one game he was subbed and the whole of Portman Road booed Keane and sang “you don’t know what you’re doing”
By the tine he left he had given up looking interested and that seems to have stuck in people’s minds. He still gave us our greatest night in the last ten years against Arsenal. | |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:56 - Sep 6 with 2909 views | hype313 |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:52 - Sep 6 by Steve_M |
Compare the financial context of the division in 2011 with the way it is now though. Magilton and Keane had a comparative advantage over the rest of the division and under-preformed. McCarthy had a comparative disadvantage and generally over-performed. |
Agreed Steve, and their are plenty of caveats you can call on when questioning the time since Keane's reign (Signings/Demeanour/Coaching/Morale etc), however, are we in a far better place positionally and on the pitch since he left?
The simple answer, and one many on here, including myself, won't like to hear is no. | |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:58 - Sep 6 with 2884 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:49 - Sep 6 by hype313 |
Delaney for us wasn't great but you can't argue he didn't go onto better things and surprised all of us Town fans. |
Delaney was poor as a left back but Not when he was switched to the centre. Remember when we were heading for relegation in 2011/12 and we had the numerous defensive loanees like Sonko etc? All of them got injured and Jewell was forced to bring back Delaney and Smith after not being played for ages.
We beat West Ham 5-1 and went in a decent run. Lee Martin was also a big part of that run. | |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:59 - Sep 6 with 2877 views | Herbivore |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:53 - Sep 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Priskin v Harrison or Jackson? Definitely.
He was a good player ruined by two managers in Keane and Jewell. There been a lot of revision regarding Priskin. Useusky bevause the funds used to buy him were raised from selling a Rhodes. He’d done well at Watford and even when we were struggling under Keane Priskin was getting something like seven or eight MOTM votes. I remember at one game he was subbed and the whole of Portman Road booed Keane and sang “you don’t know what you’re doing”
By the tine he left he had given up looking interested and that seems to have stuck in people’s minds. He still gave us our greatest night in the last ten years against Arsenal. |
Priskin had a good spell at Watford and long stretches of not scoring and being crap. He was not up to much here, I think the revisionism is from you on this one. There's no way he'd walk into our current side. | |
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| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 09:00 - Sep 6 with 2877 views | Steve_M |
| Just reading about Keane's latest fallout on 08:56 - Sep 6 by hype313 |
Agreed Steve, and their are plenty of caveats you can call on when questioning the time since Keane's reign (Signings/Demeanour/Coaching/Morale etc), however, are we in a far better place positionally and on the pitch since he left?
The simple answer, and one many on here, including myself, won't like to hear is no. |
There is one person who has been a constant at the club over the last decade of course. | |
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