Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 09:38 - Sep 13 with 2659 views | bluewein | Not a creditable source. Read what Russia Today says. Or something like that... | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 09:49 - Sep 13 with 2638 views | Steve_M |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 09:38 - Sep 13 by bluewein | Not a creditable source. Read what Russia Today says. Or something like that... |
I'm waiting for the Russian TV interview with the Skripal suspects coming very soon. Will probably look nothing like them and be two people who've never been outside Russia. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:00 - Sep 13 with 2615 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 09:49 - Sep 13 by Steve_M | I'm waiting for the Russian TV interview with the Skripal suspects coming very soon. Will probably look nothing like them and be two people who've never been outside Russia. |
Those suspect just tested the drugs on a Pussy - to prove it wasn't them. | | | |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:08 - Sep 13 with 2602 views | GlebeTractor | It all seems rather convenient doesn't it. 2018 cold war, incoming. War of words. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:30 - Sep 13 with 2568 views | WeWereZombies |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:08 - Sep 13 by GlebeTractor | It all seems rather convenient doesn't it. 2018 cold war, incoming. War of words. |
Convenient for Trump? Convenient for Putin? Convenient for May? Convenient for Macron? Convenient for arms dealers? There are always strong words of dissent and support around autocratic administrations, who provides them and how they get reported is more illuminating. The Pussy Riot approach is nothing if not thought provoking. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:41 - Sep 13 with 2545 views | GlebeTractor |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:30 - Sep 13 by WeWereZombies | Convenient for Trump? Convenient for Putin? Convenient for May? Convenient for Macron? Convenient for arms dealers? There are always strong words of dissent and support around autocratic administrations, who provides them and how they get reported is more illuminating. The Pussy Riot approach is nothing if not thought provoking. |
I just feel our government is trying to provoke something. Retention in armed forces is at an all time low, they need to keep their funding up somehow.. ;) I know it's a wild accusation on my part, but I can't help but feel, on all sides, there is a bit of playing around the truth. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:44 - Sep 13 with 2538 views | chicoazul |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:41 - Sep 13 by GlebeTractor | I just feel our government is trying to provoke something. Retention in armed forces is at an all time low, they need to keep their funding up somehow.. ;) I know it's a wild accusation on my part, but I can't help but feel, on all sides, there is a bit of playing around the truth. |
UK Gov does indeed have a very strange belligerent attitude toward Russia, a basket case country with an economy smaller than Italy's who we do not share a border with and are not threatened by in any real way. That's not to say Russia aren't a despotism run by a gangster of course. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:52 - Sep 13 with 2512 views | WeWereZombies |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:44 - Sep 13 by chicoazul | UK Gov does indeed have a very strange belligerent attitude toward Russia, a basket case country with an economy smaller than Italy's who we do not share a border with and are not threatened by in any real way. That's not to say Russia aren't a despotism run by a gangster of course. |
Britain may not share a land border with Russia but their Navy and Air Force do seem to be fond of ranging far and wide. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:52 - Sep 13 with 2512 views | giant_stow |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:44 - Sep 13 by chicoazul | UK Gov does indeed have a very strange belligerent attitude toward Russia, a basket case country with an economy smaller than Italy's who we do not share a border with and are not threatened by in any real way. That's not to say Russia aren't a despotism run by a gangster of course. |
I wouldn't blame our govt for feeling a bit grumpy about Russia spraying poison around one of our market towns - bit of a liberty. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:56 - Sep 13 with 2490 views | chicoazul |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:52 - Sep 13 by WeWereZombies | Britain may not share a land border with Russia but their Navy and Air Force do seem to be fond of ranging far and wide. |
We literally sailed up to China's islands just the other day so we are hardly innocent ourselves. Contrary to popular opinion Russia have not entered our airspace or waters. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:59 - Sep 13 with 2480 views | giant_stow |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:56 - Sep 13 by chicoazul | We literally sailed up to China's islands just the other day so we are hardly innocent ourselves. Contrary to popular opinion Russia have not entered our airspace or waters. |
They're not China's islands according to the other countries around there. Edit: or the Hague, for that matter. [Post edited 13 Sep 2018 11:00]
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:59 - Sep 13 with 2475 views | chicoazul |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:52 - Sep 13 by giant_stow | I wouldn't blame our govt for feeling a bit grumpy about Russia spraying poison around one of our market towns - bit of a liberty. |
That is of course a fair comment. Similarly one could say they can feel a bit grumpy about NATO moving into Macedonia. this doesnt excuse what they did btw, nor should we stand for it (although realistically there isnt much we can do about it outside of economic pain). [Post edited 13 Sep 2018 11:02]
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:01 - Sep 13 with 2472 views | Swansea_Blue | Obviously this is all our fault as Putin is becoming a hero over here. We'll no doubt have masterminded a genius plot to enter Russian secure facilities and slipped some poison into his vodka. [Post edited 13 Sep 2018 11:07]
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:01 - Sep 13 with 2469 views | chicoazul |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:59 - Sep 13 by giant_stow | They're not China's islands according to the other countries around there. Edit: or the Hague, for that matter. [Post edited 13 Sep 2018 11:00]
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But the point remains that we can be as aggressive/provocative as the Russkies when we want to be. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:01 - Sep 13 with 2468 views | giant_stow |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:59 - Sep 13 by chicoazul | That is of course a fair comment. Similarly one could say they can feel a bit grumpy about NATO moving into Macedonia. this doesnt excuse what they did btw, nor should we stand for it (although realistically there isnt much we can do about it outside of economic pain). [Post edited 13 Sep 2018 11:02]
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That's also fair (isn't this civilised?!) | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:03 - Sep 13 with 2462 views | footers |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:59 - Sep 13 by chicoazul | That is of course a fair comment. Similarly one could say they can feel a bit grumpy about NATO moving into Macedonia. this doesnt excuse what they did btw, nor should we stand for it (although realistically there isnt much we can do about it outside of economic pain). [Post edited 13 Sep 2018 11:02]
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Or the dozens of NATO bases dotted around the Russian border! Again, not excusing the Russians but this Cold War rhetoric is getting a bit out of hand. Still, keeps the UK military 'relevant' and puts some pounds in the pockets of BAE execs. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:04 - Sep 13 with 2458 views | giant_stow |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:01 - Sep 13 by chicoazul | But the point remains that we can be as aggressive/provocative as the Russkies when we want to be. |
I think the west would view these 'freedom' cruises as defensive - the moment they stop, they've basically accepted Chinese ownership. Having said that, I guess raw regional power talks and they will eventually be undisputed. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:13 - Sep 13 with 2425 views | Steve_M |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:56 - Sep 13 by chicoazul | We literally sailed up to China's islands just the other day so we are hardly innocent ourselves. Contrary to popular opinion Russia have not entered our airspace or waters. |
No, this is China's massively expanded territorial claim which, to use a technical term, pisses all over the claims of any other country in the vicinity. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:15 - Sep 13 with 2414 views | chicoazul |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:13 - Sep 13 by Steve_M | No, this is China's massively expanded territorial claim which, to use a technical term, pisses all over the claims of any other country in the vicinity. |
As I said earlier that isnt the point. The point is that we can be as sabre-rattly as Russia when we feel like it. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:17 - Sep 13 with 2407 views | Steve_M |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 10:59 - Sep 13 by chicoazul | That is of course a fair comment. Similarly one could say they can feel a bit grumpy about NATO moving into Macedonia. this doesnt excuse what they did btw, nor should we stand for it (although realistically there isnt much we can do about it outside of economic pain). [Post edited 13 Sep 2018 11:02]
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And since when do we define a country's sphere of influence by what their proxies occupied at the end of WWII. The idea that NATO expansion was an aggressive victimisation of Russia, rather than a response to the countries in question is Putin's revisionism becoming normalised. Of course, it would be far more effective to stop Western banks laundering millions of dodgy Russian money and bring in a European Magnitsky Act. If anyone wants to know why Putin is so angry at the West, it's that. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:23 - Sep 13 with 2391 views | giant_stow |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:15 - Sep 13 by chicoazul | As I said earlier that isnt the point. The point is that we can be as sabre-rattly as Russia when we feel like it. |
Have you got any other examples of our aggression towards Russia or China? Genuine question... I just don't like that one - backing weaker countries (or international norms and rules) in the face of a much larger aggressor isn't saber-rattling | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:39 - Sep 13 with 2359 views | chicoazul |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:23 - Sep 13 by giant_stow | Have you got any other examples of our aggression towards Russia or China? Genuine question... I just don't like that one - backing weaker countries (or international norms and rules) in the face of a much larger aggressor isn't saber-rattling |
China, no. Nobody plays with them really apart from the odd sail-by. Our aggressive posturing towards Russia is done at the NATO level. EDIT; You may not like it, I may not like it. It is simply an example of being knowingly-provocative toward a foreign power along similar lines of Russia buzzing our air/water (without ever actually crossing into it) [Post edited 13 Sep 2018 11:42]
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:40 - Sep 13 with 2352 views | chicoazul |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:17 - Sep 13 by Steve_M | And since when do we define a country's sphere of influence by what their proxies occupied at the end of WWII. The idea that NATO expansion was an aggressive victimisation of Russia, rather than a response to the countries in question is Putin's revisionism becoming normalised. Of course, it would be far more effective to stop Western banks laundering millions of dodgy Russian money and bring in a European Magnitsky Act. If anyone wants to know why Putin is so angry at the West, it's that. |
I dont know about "normalised". I simply use it as an example of something they could get the hump about. Rightly or wrongly is a question for debate. | |
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Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 11:54 - Sep 13 with 2324 views | Steve_M |
Pussy Riot member seriously ill in Russian prison on 09:49 - Sep 13 by Steve_M | I'm waiting for the Russian TV interview with the Skripal suspects coming very soon. Will probably look nothing like them and be two people who've never been outside Russia. |
Ah, here we go:
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