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Future of high street jobs 12:23 - Sep 13 with 2397 viewsFrimleyBlue

Had a chat in the pub lastnight about Debenhams, Wonga, and different types of businesses that seem to be struggling for varying reasons.

A point was raised and it would be interesting to see what everyone elses thoughts are.


Say 50-60 years time.......... where do people get the 'simple' jobs on the highstreet, when slowly bit by bit more and more companies are closing branches, or closing completely. More and more becomes available online and of course supermarkets now you can pretty much get everything you need from them if you can't get online.

We've seen photo shops close as it's mainly digital now, or you can go into a Tesco and sort your photo's out. We've seen woolworths, Blockbusters etc close. Now Toys R Us.
Butcher shops slowly die away, Pubs we've seen especially reading on here in Ipswich more and more close let alone elsewhere in the UK.

What do you think, a big government intervention on product availability online?, restrictions to Supermarket products etc


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Future of high street jobs on 12:50 - Sep 13 with 2325 viewsbrazil1982

I imagine the "High Street" will look as follows:

Greggs
Argos
Tesco
Sports Direct

City centres have to plan what it is they provide - why is it a destination? Shopping? I rarely go shopping anymore, most of it's online for me. Take Ipswich - it's a large town centre for the size of town, it needs reducing so you can have higher quality in a smaller area.
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Future of high street jobs on 12:54 - Sep 13 with 2301 viewsJ2BLUE

The high street is going to die. I don't think intervening is a good idea. It would be much better to spend time and effort focusing on what the economy of the future is going to look like. Do we go down the UBI route or is there another answer?

Online retailers will eventually take down the high street even if the government intervene. We are already seeing same day delivery. Some jobs are just destined to disappear. Currency sellers will be replaced by highly secure cash machines. Burger flippers will be replaced by machines. Big stores like Woolworths were neither cheap enough or specialist enough to survive. Toys R Us needed stupid prices to stay open. Waterstones, a shop I genuinely love, sell books for way over what you can get them for online. That's if you want the physical book. To be honest I download books to my kindle from the Amazon site in a matter of seconds and can then access that book and all others i've bought on multiple platforms. Blockbusters were killed by Netflix, Lovefilm and the rise of streaming/downloading.

These businesses cannot be saved. It's sad but the high street is dying. The shops that are thriving are charity shops, pound shops and other cheap shops. Have you noticed a lot of the big stores popping up out of the town centre are cheap shops? Aldi, Lidl, Home Bargains etc.

I think we should be focusing on Amazon etc and forcing them to pay their fair share in tax so we have the money to actually try and offset the problems they have created.
[Post edited 13 Sep 2018 13:01]

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Future of high street jobs on 12:56 - Sep 13 with 2290 viewsSpruceMoose

Future of high street jobs on 12:50 - Sep 13 by brazil1982

I imagine the "High Street" will look as follows:

Greggs
Argos
Tesco
Sports Direct

City centres have to plan what it is they provide - why is it a destination? Shopping? I rarely go shopping anymore, most of it's online for me. Take Ipswich - it's a large town centre for the size of town, it needs reducing so you can have higher quality in a smaller area.


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Greggs
Ladbrokes
Argos
Ladbrokes
Tesco
William Hill
Sports Direct
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
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Future of high street jobs on 12:56 - Sep 13 with 2288 viewsJ2BLUE

Future of high street jobs on 12:50 - Sep 13 by brazil1982

I imagine the "High Street" will look as follows:

Greggs
Argos
Tesco
Sports Direct

City centres have to plan what it is they provide - why is it a destination? Shopping? I rarely go shopping anymore, most of it's online for me. Take Ipswich - it's a large town centre for the size of town, it needs reducing so you can have higher quality in a smaller area.


Argos have adapted well by going into Sainsburys stores. I doubt their standalone stores will last much longer unless they do something about their prices.

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Future of high street jobs on 12:59 - Sep 13 with 2277 viewsitfcjoe

Future of high street jobs on 12:54 - Sep 13 by J2BLUE

The high street is going to die. I don't think intervening is a good idea. It would be much better to spend time and effort focusing on what the economy of the future is going to look like. Do we go down the UBI route or is there another answer?

Online retailers will eventually take down the high street even if the government intervene. We are already seeing same day delivery. Some jobs are just destined to disappear. Currency sellers will be replaced by highly secure cash machines. Burger flippers will be replaced by machines. Big stores like Woolworths were neither cheap enough or specialist enough to survive. Toys R Us needed stupid prices to stay open. Waterstones, a shop I genuinely love, sell books for way over what you can get them for online. That's if you want the physical book. To be honest I download books to my kindle from the Amazon site in a matter of seconds and can then access that book and all others i've bought on multiple platforms. Blockbusters were killed by Netflix, Lovefilm and the rise of streaming/downloading.

These businesses cannot be saved. It's sad but the high street is dying. The shops that are thriving are charity shops, pound shops and other cheap shops. Have you noticed a lot of the big stores popping up out of the town centre are cheap shops? Aldi, Lidl, Home Bargains etc.

I think we should be focusing on Amazon etc and forcing them to pay their fair share in tax so we have the money to actually try and offset the problems they have created.
[Post edited 13 Sep 2018 13:01]


Agree with the focus on Amazon - there was an interesting podcast I listened to a while back with regards to the working conditions there:

https://www.modernmann.co.uk/new/amazon

And the guy wrote a book about low paid work here in this country:
https://www.waterstones.com/book/hired/james-bloodworth/9781786490148

It's really interesting, and he only did it for a few weeks so I wouldn't describe it as harrowing but the long term outlook on jobs like this is.

If this is the reason why things are so cheap then maybe they need to be more expensive and this is where the government need to intervene to protect jobs. This may in turn save the high street to an extent, or it may not - but either way it has to be cracked down upon. See also Sports Direct

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Future of high street jobs on 13:07 - Sep 13 with 2232 viewsitfcjoe

Future of high street jobs on 12:56 - Sep 13 by J2BLUE

Argos have adapted well by going into Sainsburys stores. I doubt their standalone stores will last much longer unless they do something about their prices.


Argos haven't really adapted, they were just bought out by Sainsburys as they are excllently logistically with regards to same day ordering - Sainsburys just need to find a way to make best of it as a company now they have the logistics going across

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Future of high street jobs on 13:07 - Sep 13 with 2230 viewsSpruceMoose

Future of high street jobs on 12:59 - Sep 13 by itfcjoe

Agree with the focus on Amazon - there was an interesting podcast I listened to a while back with regards to the working conditions there:

https://www.modernmann.co.uk/new/amazon

And the guy wrote a book about low paid work here in this country:
https://www.waterstones.com/book/hired/james-bloodworth/9781786490148

It's really interesting, and he only did it for a few weeks so I wouldn't describe it as harrowing but the long term outlook on jobs like this is.

If this is the reason why things are so cheap then maybe they need to be more expensive and this is where the government need to intervene to protect jobs. This may in turn save the high street to an extent, or it may not - but either way it has to be cracked down upon. See also Sports Direct


A closer look at zero hour contracts would be welcome too.

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Future of high street jobs on 13:10 - Sep 13 with 2215 viewsitfcjoe

Future of high street jobs on 13:07 - Sep 13 by SpruceMoose

A closer look at zero hour contracts would be welcome too.


Definitely, it has gone from something which was a useful status for both employers and employees to something that has been abused and exploited totally now by employers.

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Future of high street jobs on 13:12 - Sep 13 with 2210 viewsJ2BLUE

Future of high street jobs on 13:07 - Sep 13 by itfcjoe

Argos haven't really adapted, they were just bought out by Sainsburys as they are excllently logistically with regards to same day ordering - Sainsburys just need to find a way to make best of it as a company now they have the logistics going across


Yes, that's what I meant really about it being a sensible move for both sides. Unlike Tesco who just seemed to try and stack everything inside every superstore and then it went tits up and they had to sell parts off (Giraffe, photos etc).

I don't think Argos will be on the high street much longer. If they still are now? I have no idea. Can't see the big box store near Halfords lasting too much longer either.

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Future of high street jobs on 13:16 - Sep 13 with 2195 viewsGromheort

There is always a place for intervention. Market power issues guarantee it. See, for example, the documented evidence into the 'Wal-Mart effect', where a store is found to harm wages and subsequently living standards.

The British disease, and how it impairs the high street, reflects extreme inequalities and therefore over-reliance on bargain hunting. The high street should be more bespoke.

Global warming will help mind you! Whilst my missus shops for a brass hare harassing a bear, I can consume a teeny beer and embrace cafe culture.
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Future of high street jobs on 14:33 - Sep 13 with 2085 viewsDebsyAngel

I certainly do not want the town centres to die.

I have had to put my very strong point across in Nat West today - huge queue and just one girl serving and a queue of very annoyed people. That's not nice for her to have to work like that. She told me she had to encourage people to bank online or use the machines or she could face a disciplinary if she does not meet targets. I found that horrifying. So her job is to make her job redundant eventually? I was not having a go at her personally and I told her that.

And a lot of people are not online or have smartphones. My parents and a lot of older people I know aren't. And machines DO go wrong - what then? People want actual PEOPLE to help them.

Saying that, I do shop online for things I cannot get anywhere in town, but I still physically go and shop in town when I do need most things. Shops like Boots, Sainsburys etc. are always full of helpful staff who are available and it's a pleasure to shop there.
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Future of high street jobs on 15:12 - Sep 13 with 2031 viewsJ2BLUE

Future of high street jobs on 14:33 - Sep 13 by DebsyAngel

I certainly do not want the town centres to die.

I have had to put my very strong point across in Nat West today - huge queue and just one girl serving and a queue of very annoyed people. That's not nice for her to have to work like that. She told me she had to encourage people to bank online or use the machines or she could face a disciplinary if she does not meet targets. I found that horrifying. So her job is to make her job redundant eventually? I was not having a go at her personally and I told her that.

And a lot of people are not online or have smartphones. My parents and a lot of older people I know aren't. And machines DO go wrong - what then? People want actual PEOPLE to help them.

Saying that, I do shop online for things I cannot get anywhere in town, but I still physically go and shop in town when I do need most things. Shops like Boots, Sainsburys etc. are always full of helpful staff who are available and it's a pleasure to shop there.


You should have left her alone and complained to head office. You complained to someone who won't raise the issue and wasted her time when she was busy but it's ok because you said it's not personal. I used to bloody hate people ranting on at me because I couldn't do anything about it and if I raised the issue it was ignored. The customer is the one with the power. Don't take the easy and ineffective route and make the effort to complain to head office.

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Future of high street jobs on 16:44 - Sep 13 with 1942 viewsstringy

Future of high street jobs on 12:54 - Sep 13 by J2BLUE

The high street is going to die. I don't think intervening is a good idea. It would be much better to spend time and effort focusing on what the economy of the future is going to look like. Do we go down the UBI route or is there another answer?

Online retailers will eventually take down the high street even if the government intervene. We are already seeing same day delivery. Some jobs are just destined to disappear. Currency sellers will be replaced by highly secure cash machines. Burger flippers will be replaced by machines. Big stores like Woolworths were neither cheap enough or specialist enough to survive. Toys R Us needed stupid prices to stay open. Waterstones, a shop I genuinely love, sell books for way over what you can get them for online. That's if you want the physical book. To be honest I download books to my kindle from the Amazon site in a matter of seconds and can then access that book and all others i've bought on multiple platforms. Blockbusters were killed by Netflix, Lovefilm and the rise of streaming/downloading.

These businesses cannot be saved. It's sad but the high street is dying. The shops that are thriving are charity shops, pound shops and other cheap shops. Have you noticed a lot of the big stores popping up out of the town centre are cheap shops? Aldi, Lidl, Home Bargains etc.

I think we should be focusing on Amazon etc and forcing them to pay their fair share in tax so we have the money to actually try and offset the problems they have created.
[Post edited 13 Sep 2018 13:01]


alas I believe you; spent two weeks in Ipswich for the first time in ages this summer and was astounded by how many charity shops there were along the stretch where the CO-OP and Woolies used to be

I've long wanted most of Norwich road to be turned into houses and thus concentrate shops in a smaller area rather than having so many shuttered places which just looks bad.

but what on earth is the future then for city/town high streets? how do we rework the old CO-OP / BHS / ?Debenhams inter alia

can't fill them all with cultural centres or cafes

again I agree I don't think we can turn back the clock/intervene, so where is the energy coming from to pitch some new visions of town-centres?
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Future of high street jobs on 16:46 - Sep 13 with 1931 viewsstringy

Future of high street jobs on 12:56 - Sep 13 by SpruceMoose

Almost...

Poundland
Greggs
Ladbrokes
Argos
Ladbrokes
Tesco
William Hill
Sports Direct
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Euthanasia Clinic


you missed the 17 charity shops
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Future of high street jobs on 17:03 - Sep 13 with 1892 viewsstrikalite

All shops won't go, you'll just see more and more retail parks pop up, the City centre shops will probably be gone, one of the reasons why I rarely venture into town these days is down to parking prices, Councils have killed town centres because of parking charges imo as much as the online option...the retail parks are pretty healthy looking at the number of cars parked in the FREE car parks though..
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Future of high street jobs on 17:07 - Sep 13 with 1892 viewsBloomBlue

Until online companies are taxed the same as the high street it won't change. The high street will never die because women enjoy going out for a days shopping in the same way football will never die because some people enjoying going to a game instead of just watching it on TV.

But we arent careful we are heading towards a world where people never leave their homes and just sit on their ar@e doing everything online
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Future of high street jobs on 17:17 - Sep 13 with 1870 viewsBurwell_Blue

Future of high street jobs on 14:33 - Sep 13 by DebsyAngel

I certainly do not want the town centres to die.

I have had to put my very strong point across in Nat West today - huge queue and just one girl serving and a queue of very annoyed people. That's not nice for her to have to work like that. She told me she had to encourage people to bank online or use the machines or she could face a disciplinary if she does not meet targets. I found that horrifying. So her job is to make her job redundant eventually? I was not having a go at her personally and I told her that.

And a lot of people are not online or have smartphones. My parents and a lot of older people I know aren't. And machines DO go wrong - what then? People want actual PEOPLE to help them.

Saying that, I do shop online for things I cannot get anywhere in town, but I still physically go and shop in town when I do need most things. Shops like Boots, Sainsburys etc. are always full of helpful staff who are available and it's a pleasure to shop there.


As the elderly people die off, what are you left with? People who are comfortable with being online, we are in a transition period that's all.

I cannot remember the last time I went into a bank. 12 years or so ago perhaps?
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Future of high street jobs on 18:28 - Sep 13 with 1809 viewsDebsyAngel

Future of high street jobs on 15:12 - Sep 13 by J2BLUE

You should have left her alone and complained to head office. You complained to someone who won't raise the issue and wasted her time when she was busy but it's ok because you said it's not personal. I used to bloody hate people ranting on at me because I couldn't do anything about it and if I raised the issue it was ignored. The customer is the one with the power. Don't take the easy and ineffective route and make the effort to complain to head office.


I will do this, but I was not having a go at that poor girl - there must be a lot more nastiness she gets on a daily basis than she got from me. I felt sorry for her and told her that. They were a good bank just 6 months ago and always had staff keeping the queues down. A lot of their staff seem to have vanished so they must be unhappy working there. I worry for them that people will go and bank elsewhere and they lose customers.
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Future of high street jobs on 18:31 - Sep 13 with 1805 viewsDebsyAngel

Future of high street jobs on 17:17 - Sep 13 by Burwell_Blue

As the elderly people die off, what are you left with? People who are comfortable with being online, we are in a transition period that's all.

I cannot remember the last time I went into a bank. 12 years or so ago perhaps?


Fair comment, but people will still want to deal with actual people when machines break down, have glitches etc. What happens if your bank card gets eaten by the hole in the wall and you need cash?
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Future of high street jobs on 18:33 - Sep 13 with 1796 viewsJ2BLUE

Future of high street jobs on 18:31 - Sep 13 by DebsyAngel

Fair comment, but people will still want to deal with actual people when machines break down, have glitches etc. What happens if your bank card gets eaten by the hole in the wall and you need cash?


I don't disagree but you need to contact head office.

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Future of high street jobs on 19:20 - Sep 13 with 1752 viewsBurwell_Blue

Future of high street jobs on 18:31 - Sep 13 by DebsyAngel

Fair comment, but people will still want to deal with actual people when machines break down, have glitches etc. What happens if your bank card gets eaten by the hole in the wall and you need cash?


Not a good example. I don’t ever need cash. Can’t thinknof the last time I used cash, certainly a few months.
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Future of high street jobs on 19:23 - Sep 13 with 1744 viewsHerbivore

Future of high street jobs on 12:56 - Sep 13 by SpruceMoose

Almost...

Poundland
Greggs
Ladbrokes
Argos
Ladbrokes
Tesco
William Hill
Sports Direct
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Ladbrokes
Euthanasia Clinic


Not sure euthanasia clinics will last, to survive on the high street you need repeat customers.

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