| Bravo M. Macron 19:55 - Sep 20 with 7459 views | factual_blue |
'Those who explain that we can easily live without Europe, that everything is going to be alright, and that it's going to bring a lot of money home, are liars' |  |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 20:54 - Sep 20 with 5092 views | BlueBadger |
Ah now, be fair. They're not ALL liars. Some of them are desperately thick chancers. |  |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 21:08 - Sep 20 with 5060 views | stig4532 |
By that logic, Iceland, Switzerland and Norway shouldn't be thriving economies, with all three countries all having a much greater GDP per capita PPP than France.
We can trade with Europe, love Europe and be a part of Europe, but we don't need the EU to thrive economically. |  | | |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:14 - Sep 20 with 5039 views | m14_blue |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:08 - Sep 20 by stig4532 |
By that logic, Iceland, Switzerland and Norway shouldn't be thriving economies, with all three countries all having a much greater GDP per capita PPP than France.
We can trade with Europe, love Europe and be a part of Europe, but we don't need the EU to thrive economically. |
Have all those left the EU after having been members for 40 years?
If not, then it's not a like for like comparison at all. |  | | |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:22 - Sep 20 with 5019 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:08 - Sep 20 by stig4532 |
By that logic, Iceland, Switzerland and Norway shouldn't be thriving economies, with all three countries all having a much greater GDP per capita PPP than France.
We can trade with Europe, love Europe and be a part of Europe, but we don't need the EU to thrive economically. |
This sort of crystal ballism doesn't do anyone any good.
He's sh1tting himself, they all are.
Fortunately for them all we have an incompetent government and an incompetent opposition.
Edit; That was actually a reply to the OP [Post edited 20 Sep 2018 22:16]
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| Bravo M. Macron on 21:26 - Sep 20 with 4998 views | eireblue |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:08 - Sep 20 by stig4532 |
By that logic, Iceland, Switzerland and Norway shouldn't be thriving economies, with all three countries all having a much greater GDP per capita PPP than France.
We can trade with Europe, love Europe and be a part of Europe, but we don't need the EU to thrive economically. |
Switzerland, hmm what sort of relationship do they have with the EU.
Maybe the UK could try it. |  | | |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:26 - Sep 20 with 5000 views | Kievthegreat |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:08 - Sep 20 by stig4532 |
By that logic, Iceland, Switzerland and Norway shouldn't be thriving economies, with all three countries all having a much greater GDP per capita PPP than France.
We can trade with Europe, love Europe and be a part of Europe, but we don't need the EU to thrive economically. |
So you want the UK to contribute to the EU budget, have free movement and regulatory alignment like those countries then? |  | | |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:29 - Sep 20 with 4981 views | brogansnose |
Yeah, he's probably not far wrong. Not sure why he gives a toss though. |  | | |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:36 - Sep 20 with 4959 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:08 - Sep 20 by stig4532 |
By that logic, Iceland, Switzerland and Norway shouldn't be thriving economies, with all three countries all having a much greater GDP per capita PPP than France.
We can trade with Europe, love Europe and be a part of Europe, but we don't need the EU to thrive economically. |
Maybe we’ll pull a shed load of oil, gas, geothermal, hydroelectric, Nazi gold, unregulated banking out of our hole and be rich just like them. |  |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 21:45 - Sep 20 with 4918 views | BlueBadger |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:29 - Sep 20 by brogansnose |
Yeah, he's probably not far wrong. Not sure why he gives a toss though. |
He probably doesn't, like most decent human beings, like seeing people commit acts of self-harm. | |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 22:07 - Sep 20 with 4881 views | Pinewoodblue |
Think he was talking about Cameron & Osborne. Liars is a bit wide of the mark naive or stupid to think it would be easy to negotiate with the EU would have been more accurate.
I voted to remain simply because thought it wold be impossible to reach a negotiated settlement if we were leaving The EU made it very clear that we couldn't belong to the customs union without freedom of movement.
This and the Irish problem meant that a hard Brexit looked inevitable. The remainers who believe people did't know what they were voting for are only fooling themselves.
Macron will be bloody minded post Brexit you can almost guarantee it. |  |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 22:13 - Sep 20 with 4859 views | BryanPlug |
| Bravo M. Macron on 22:07 - Sep 20 by Pinewoodblue |
Think he was talking about Cameron & Osborne. Liars is a bit wide of the mark naive or stupid to think it would be easy to negotiate with the EU would have been more accurate.
I voted to remain simply because thought it wold be impossible to reach a negotiated settlement if we were leaving The EU made it very clear that we couldn't belong to the customs union without freedom of movement.
This and the Irish problem meant that a hard Brexit looked inevitable. The remainers who believe people did't know what they were voting for are only fooling themselves.
Macron will be bloody minded post Brexit you can almost guarantee it. |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 22:17 - Sep 20 with 4839 views | factual_blue |
| Bravo M. Macron on 20:54 - Sep 20 by BlueBadger |
Ah now, be fair. They're not ALL liars. Some of them are desperately thick chancers. |
As Private Eye would put it. Jakob Reek-Smug is 94. | |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 22:21 - Sep 20 with 4824 views | Vic |
We’ll be poorer, until the EU project collapses. Then we’ll be ahead of the curve. |  |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 23:21 - Sep 20 with 4742 views | StokieBlue |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:45 - Sep 20 by BlueBadger |
He probably doesn't, like most decent human beings, like seeing people commit acts of self-harm. |
He's got plenty of problems at home though, through French have turned on him and the right wingers are about to overtake him.
Doesn't mean he's wrong in this case though.
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| Bravo M. Macron on 23:29 - Sep 20 with 4722 views | SpruceMoose |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:26 - Sep 20 by eireblue |
Switzerland, hmm what sort of relationship do they have with the EU.
Maybe the UK could try it. |
I mean, if that's the only thing on the table I'd settle for that. I quite enjoyed catching a train in France and nobody checking my passport when I got off in Milan. |  |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 23:42 - Sep 20 with 4707 views | pointofblue |
| Bravo M. Macron on 22:07 - Sep 20 by Pinewoodblue |
Think he was talking about Cameron & Osborne. Liars is a bit wide of the mark naive or stupid to think it would be easy to negotiate with the EU would have been more accurate.
I voted to remain simply because thought it wold be impossible to reach a negotiated settlement if we were leaving The EU made it very clear that we couldn't belong to the customs union without freedom of movement.
This and the Irish problem meant that a hard Brexit looked inevitable. The remainers who believe people did't know what they were voting for are only fooling themselves.
Macron will be bloody minded post Brexit you can almost guarantee it. |
Cameron and Osborne both supported Remain. He's talking about the likes of Johnson and Davis. | |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 23:55 - Sep 20 with 4693 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Bravo M. Macron on 23:42 - Sep 20 by pointofblue |
Cameron and Osborne both supported Remain. He's talking about the likes of Johnson and Davis. |
I don't know about Osbourne but Cameron was always a Eurosceptic - despite what he may have said when leader. | |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 00:12 - Sep 21 with 4671 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Bravo M. Macron on 22:07 - Sep 20 by Pinewoodblue |
Think he was talking about Cameron & Osborne. Liars is a bit wide of the mark naive or stupid to think it would be easy to negotiate with the EU would have been more accurate.
I voted to remain simply because thought it wold be impossible to reach a negotiated settlement if we were leaving The EU made it very clear that we couldn't belong to the customs union without freedom of movement.
This and the Irish problem meant that a hard Brexit looked inevitable. The remainers who believe people did't know what they were voting for are only fooling themselves.
Macron will be bloody minded post Brexit you can almost guarantee it. |
Macron certainly isn't suggesting he's desperate to sign a trade deal that will benefit UK!
We're stuffed. [Post edited 21 Sep 2018 0:14]
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| Bravo M. Macron on 00:16 - Sep 21 with 4666 views | BlueBadger |
| Bravo M. Macron on 22:21 - Sep 20 by Vic |
We’ll be poorer, until the EU project collapses. Then we’ll be ahead of the curve. |
We'll be desperately poor FIRST, before it's fashionable? [Post edited 21 Sep 2018 0:16]
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| Bravo M. Macron on 00:25 - Sep 21 with 4652 views | Ryorry |
Wow, what a well-reasoned statement by Macron - so full of solid evidence backing it up too ...
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| Bravo M. Macron on 00:31 - Sep 21 with 4642 views | Ryorry |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:36 - Sep 20 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Maybe we’ll pull a shed load of oil, gas, geothermal, hydroelectric, Nazi gold, unregulated banking out of our hole and be rich just like them. |
Can't think how we might do that tho - oh, hang on, let's take a French lesson or two - what about something like their creation of the CAP, that'd be fair!!  | |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 00:51 - Sep 21 with 4626 views | connorscontract |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:08 - Sep 20 by stig4532 |
By that logic, Iceland, Switzerland and Norway shouldn't be thriving economies, with all three countries all having a much greater GDP per capita PPP than France.
We can trade with Europe, love Europe and be a part of Europe, but we don't need the EU to thrive economically. |
Infinite supplies of geo-thermal energy, Nazi gold and huge oil reserves (and a progressive policy of investing the capital raised in renewables) respectively give each their competitive advantage. | | | |
| Bravo M. Macron on 01:00 - Sep 21 with 4609 views | Ryorry |
| Bravo M. Macron on 00:51 - Sep 21 by connorscontract |
Infinite supplies of geo-thermal energy, Nazi gold and huge oil reserves (and a progressive policy of investing the capital raised in renewables) respectively give each their competitive advantage. |
Have never understood how a pro-business party like the Tories persistently fail to understand the huge potential growth & profits of renewables, & who therefore consequently fail to fund R&D in them. Couldn't be anything to do with their vested interests in oil & gas industries, and financial institutions funding those could it?  | |
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| Bravo M. Macron on 01:07 - Sep 21 with 4594 views | connorscontract |
| Bravo M. Macron on 01:00 - Sep 21 by Ryorry |
Have never understood how a pro-business party like the Tories persistently fail to understand the huge potential growth & profits of renewables, & who therefore consequently fail to fund R&D in them. Couldn't be anything to do with their vested interests in oil & gas industries, and financial institutions funding those could it? |
The great tragedy of the Blair/Brown era was that they followed Bush in his "interfere in the Middle East to guarantee energy security" policy, with devastating consequences for millions in Iraq etc and thousands of British service personnel and their families, and at a cost of Billions of pounds. Whereas if those same Billions had been invested in the UK becoming THE leading nation in renewables we would have energy security permanently.
But, as you say, vested interests and lobbying. | | | |
| Bravo M. Macron on 04:29 - Sep 21 with 4540 views | Benters2 |
| Bravo M. Macron on 21:22 - Sep 20 by Lord_Lucan |
This sort of crystal ballism doesn't do anyone any good.
He's sh1tting himself, they all are.
Fortunately for them all we have an incompetent government and an incompetent opposition.
Edit; That was actually a reply to the OP [Post edited 20 Sep 2018 22:16]
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