| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... 09:23 - Sep 24 with 12147 views | itfcjoe |
....players in such a great number so quickly.
Frankly, we just lack quality, and it is most obvious in the final 3rd of the pitch. We just don't look like scoring at all, no one can hold the ball up, and there are too many loose touches and pieces of sloppy play.
I just don't see us scoring enough goals to stay up, can anyone see Hurst here if we are winless going into the next international break.
If, as speculated, Evans is unhappy with how Hurst has gone about things with regards to relationships off the pitch and the size of the overhaul - why has he allowed it. The ship is heading into the rocks under his watch. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:30 - Sep 24 with 4353 views | PJH |
Regarding your last sentence, where is Newcy when we need him? |  | | |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:31 - Sep 24 with 4354 views | TractorJack |
I rate Nolan as an 8 but he is evidently not a number 10. It's a glaring gap in the squad and it's crippling our creativity. |  | | |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:32 - Sep 24 with 4331 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:30 - Sep 24 by PJH |
Regarding your last sentence, where is Newcy when we need him? |
Probably doing 850 laps of his ship's canteen to try and get in a 3 mile run. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:33 - Sep 24 with 4350 views | itfcjoe |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:31 - Sep 24 by TractorJack |
I rate Nolan as an 8 but he is evidently not a number 10. It's a glaring gap in the squad and it's crippling our creativity. |
He was absolutely dire on Saturday, nothing worked for him.
I just cannot see how a player with the class of Andre Dozzell can't get a look in in this team, his assist v West Ham is an example of what he can do. | |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:35 - Sep 24 with 4332 views | Reuser_is_God |
If we don’t win any of the next 3 games I’ll drive him back to whatever Yorkshire sh1thole he comes from. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:37 - Sep 24 with 4304 views | Coco |
I honestly feel it’s just the goal scoring area where we are weaker. If we had last years Waghorn still, we would be fine. I know this seems a stoopid thing to say. Mana for man i think we’re as strong as last year just powderpuff in the most important area. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:39 - Sep 24 with 4294 views | DanTheMan |
"If, as speculated, Evans is unhappy with how Hurst has gone about things with regards to relationships off the pitch and the size of the overhaul - why has he allowed it. The ship is heading into the rocks under his watch."
This is key for me. Too much power in the hands of a manager with no long term thinking about what happens if it didn't work. We're now very stuck.
We have no long term thinking at all really at the club bar vague sentiments about using youth. There's no unified approach from top the bottom. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:43 - Sep 24 with 4265 views | Reuser_is_God |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:39 - Sep 24 by DanTheMan |
"If, as speculated, Evans is unhappy with how Hurst has gone about things with regards to relationships off the pitch and the size of the overhaul - why has he allowed it. The ship is heading into the rocks under his watch."
This is key for me. Too much power in the hands of a manager with no long term thinking about what happens if it didn't work. We're now very stuck.
We have no long term thinking at all really at the club bar vague sentiments about using youth. There's no unified approach from top the bottom. |
& that’s one of the thing Evans spoke about so much over the summer & in his interview.
That makes the current situation even worse.
2 months later it’s all gone to sh1t & we’re going down. [Post edited 24 Sep 2018 9:43]
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:45 - Sep 24 with 4244 views | TractorJack |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:33 - Sep 24 by itfcjoe |
He was absolutely dire on Saturday, nothing worked for him.
I just cannot see how a player with the class of Andre Dozzell can't get a look in in this team, his assist v West Ham is an example of what he can do. |
You would hope it's only a matter of time now. Simple way of giving the fans a lift too. | | | |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:48 - Sep 24 with 4228 views | ITFCBlues |
I think (and this is a big IF) that when/IF Bishop, Huws, Adeyemi return things would look a lot different. Even getting Dozzell onto the pitch. He surely can't be far off now?
The signings we've made have potential, but we're missing a bit of Championship experience in the middle of the park & that quality that someone like Huws could bring. It's just a sad situation with him and Bishop - i just can't see either of them getting fit enough to feature for the first team... |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:48 - Sep 24 with 4222 views | artsbossbeard |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:33 - Sep 24 by itfcjoe |
He was absolutely dire on Saturday, nothing worked for him.
I just cannot see how a player with the class of Andre Dozzell can't get a look in in this team, his assist v West Ham is an example of what he can do. |
Joe, am I right in thinking that Andre isn't training with the first team currently? |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:51 - Sep 24 with 4211 views | unstableblue |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:33 - Sep 24 by itfcjoe |
He was absolutely dire on Saturday, nothing worked for him.
I just cannot see how a player with the class of Andre Dozzell can't get a look in in this team, his assist v West Ham is an example of what he can do. |
Whilst I’m disappointed as anyone about Saturdays display Nolan was not ‘dire’ throughout the game. Just very poor initially but he did some good stuff at times and at least he was wanting to get on the ball and try and do something. Indeed in the clueless second half he was not being given options as he got around the D. Not enough runners or movement.
I think this general slating of Nolan is a bit misplaced.
I personally think the L2 players who were playing Saturday are actually good prospects. Jackson has been steadily improving and it was really annoying at the lack of service in the first half especially as you could see he was up for it.
I think Edwards has been in general excellent for us. Also despite a woeful first half from Toto he is a good player.
The squad I think has been greatly improved by Pennington and Edun.
You call for Dozzell who has very little experience compared to Nolan and would be making a massive step up.
It’s funny how I think chambers and Skuse are playing their best for a
Season.
The challenge is not entirely then the L1 players; I think it’s comfidnece, I think it’s the system has not quite clicked.
I hated Saturday but we have played much more dynamic stuff at times this season as The Times article points out. Villa, Norwich second half, Brentford second.
My concern is the full backs as much as anything and the fact that Nolan is not getting into the box enough as the likes of Ward are firing sporadically.
Hurst really dropped the ball not playing But donacien over Pennington that messed up the system big time; as did not starting Edun, perhaps over Ward.
I would say the weak links in Saturdays display were Nolan at times, knudsen and Pennington for their lack of forward dynamic and Ward (who despite one brilliant run) did not offer enough. Only one of them is L1. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:51 - Sep 24 with 4211 views | ITFCBlues |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:37 - Sep 24 by Coco |
I honestly feel it’s just the goal scoring area where we are weaker. If we had last years Waghorn still, we would be fine. I know this seems a stoopid thing to say. Mana for man i think we’re as strong as last year just powderpuff in the most important area. |
It's not the strikers for me....In what respect would Waghorn (Other than his set-piece delivery) have made a difference on Saturday? If the strikers don't get ANY service, they're not going to be scoring any goals....It's that simple. | |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:53 - Sep 24 with 4187 views | Footballpete |
I don't know why anyone is surprised. The only decent appointment Evans has made during his time here is the one most people wanted rid of last season. The club is completely directionless and is owned by a man who appears to know nothing about football, or catering for sports events, or stadium maintenance. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:55 - Sep 24 with 4159 views | unstableblue |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:37 - Sep 24 by Coco |
I honestly feel it’s just the goal scoring area where we are weaker. If we had last years Waghorn still, we would be fine. I know this seems a stoopid thing to say. Mana for man i think we’re as strong as last year just powderpuff in the most important area. |
See my reply below. I like the squad on paper better than last year apart from no Waghorn! He’s been a massive loss.
Having said that I think Jackson is good and was lively first half despite living off crumbs.
I think the lack of real chances is a system thing; when it clicked against Villa and Brentford it was due to people ‘pushing on’ the width the dynamic. We have to recreate that.
Pennington, Ward and Knudsen were a real issue for me on Saturday. Nolan and Edun did not have enough runners. | |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:57 - Sep 24 with 4160 views | Steve_M |
It's not as if we had an entire season without the ability to hold the ball up a mere two years is it? I was amazed that so many fans were so desperate to cash in on any bid for players but especially when it came to losing both Waghorn and Garner.
On Saturday we looked like a side that could go all season without a win, indeed it looked like we could go the whole season without scoring. I can't see where a win is coming from at the moment, we can only play for 20 minutes, or maybe a half, at a time.
Agree on Evans too, as much as Hurst has made poor decisions surely Evans set out some kind of parameters for the job. The most important one being to make sure we stay up so he has a chance to sell the club.
We come back to the point that it is only McCarthy's better spells in eleven years of Evans that have made his time here seem half-way decent. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:58 - Sep 24 with 4143 views | Superfrans |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:37 - Sep 24 by Coco |
I honestly feel it’s just the goal scoring area where we are weaker. If we had last years Waghorn still, we would be fine. I know this seems a stoopid thing to say. Mana for man i think we’re as strong as last year just powderpuff in the most important area. |
Arguably, we are stronger in defence - Donacien, Nsiala, Chambers, Pennington, plus Kenlock a year older, is certainly not weaker than what we had before.
But it must also be undeniable surely that Jackson, Harrison, Graham, Walters (now unfit), Sears is a weaker strikeforce than Waghorn, Garner, Celina, McGoldrick (mostly unfit), Sears. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:58 - Sep 24 with 4145 views | monytowbray |
I think Hurst has come in too hasty to put his mark on something that didn't need a drastic overhaul.
But anyone can say that in hindsight. I don't remember many people, if any, saying it at the time, myself included. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 10:00 - Sep 24 with 4140 views | BiGDonnie |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:33 - Sep 24 by itfcjoe |
He was absolutely dire on Saturday, nothing worked for him.
I just cannot see how a player with the class of Andre Dozzell can't get a look in in this team, his assist v West Ham is an example of what he can do. |
Hi face clearly doesn't fit with Hurst for whatever reason. The pedestal comments confirm that for me.
He's so out of his depth it's unreal.
The real issue is how ME let's it all happen, Hursts 'even Marcus was surprised by the amount of changes' comment just goes to show that beyond Klug, there is no one that really cares about the club at the top. Hurst don't give a fook, he'll be paid off whatever and ME is happy to just hire someone and let them do what they please. which in principle is fine, but has to have certain parameters.
The clubs been a sh*t show for years and is only getting worse.
This won't be popular at all, but we deserve relegation. ME has ran the club like a league one side ever since Keane failed and it's what he deserves. I can see him selling this season if things don't improve drastically, which unless we change the manager, it won't happen.
I actually think relegation would be good for us long term, we're stale, uninspiring and have zero ambition. A drop down will probably bring new ownership and enthusiasm into the club. Plus none of our players will leave (barring Dozzer) as they're league one quality. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 10:02 - Sep 24 with 4116 views | artsbossbeard |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:58 - Sep 24 by monytowbray |
I think Hurst has come in too hasty to put his mark on something that didn't need a drastic overhaul.
But anyone can say that in hindsight. I don't remember many people, if any, saying it at the time, myself included. |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 10:04 - Sep 24 with 4103 views | SomethingBlue |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 10:00 - Sep 24 by BiGDonnie |
Hi face clearly doesn't fit with Hurst for whatever reason. The pedestal comments confirm that for me.
He's so out of his depth it's unreal.
The real issue is how ME let's it all happen, Hursts 'even Marcus was surprised by the amount of changes' comment just goes to show that beyond Klug, there is no one that really cares about the club at the top. Hurst don't give a fook, he'll be paid off whatever and ME is happy to just hire someone and let them do what they please. which in principle is fine, but has to have certain parameters.
The clubs been a sh*t show for years and is only getting worse.
This won't be popular at all, but we deserve relegation. ME has ran the club like a league one side ever since Keane failed and it's what he deserves. I can see him selling this season if things don't improve drastically, which unless we change the manager, it won't happen.
I actually think relegation would be good for us long term, we're stale, uninspiring and have zero ambition. A drop down will probably bring new ownership and enthusiasm into the club. Plus none of our players will leave (barring Dozzer) as they're league one quality. |
A drop down would probably not bring new ownership because who the hell would buy it. Relegation would be a disaster, it would set us back years and by the time we recovered it might *literally* be impossible to have thoughts of getting back to the top again. There would not be a single good thing about it — people need to wake up if they think there would be. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 10:06 - Sep 24 with 4088 views | chicoazul |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:48 - Sep 24 by artsbossbeard |
Joe, am I right in thinking that Andre isn't training with the first team currently? |
Youre not asking me so beg pardon but yes you are, he is back in the U23s changing room too. |  |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 10:07 - Sep 24 with 4071 views | chicoazul |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 09:57 - Sep 24 by Steve_M |
It's not as if we had an entire season without the ability to hold the ball up a mere two years is it? I was amazed that so many fans were so desperate to cash in on any bid for players but especially when it came to losing both Waghorn and Garner.
On Saturday we looked like a side that could go all season without a win, indeed it looked like we could go the whole season without scoring. I can't see where a win is coming from at the moment, we can only play for 20 minutes, or maybe a half, at a time.
Agree on Evans too, as much as Hurst has made poor decisions surely Evans set out some kind of parameters for the job. The most important one being to make sure we stay up so he has a chance to sell the club.
We come back to the point that it is only McCarthy's better spells in eleven years of Evans that have made his time here seem half-way decent. |
Evans has been a complete catastrophe and I wish he would take the hit and sell. | |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 10:07 - Sep 24 with 4064 views | chicoazul |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 10:00 - Sep 24 by BiGDonnie |
Hi face clearly doesn't fit with Hurst for whatever reason. The pedestal comments confirm that for me.
He's so out of his depth it's unreal.
The real issue is how ME let's it all happen, Hursts 'even Marcus was surprised by the amount of changes' comment just goes to show that beyond Klug, there is no one that really cares about the club at the top. Hurst don't give a fook, he'll be paid off whatever and ME is happy to just hire someone and let them do what they please. which in principle is fine, but has to have certain parameters.
The clubs been a sh*t show for years and is only getting worse.
This won't be popular at all, but we deserve relegation. ME has ran the club like a league one side ever since Keane failed and it's what he deserves. I can see him selling this season if things don't improve drastically, which unless we change the manager, it won't happen.
I actually think relegation would be good for us long term, we're stale, uninspiring and have zero ambition. A drop down will probably bring new ownership and enthusiasm into the club. Plus none of our players will leave (barring Dozzer) as they're league one quality. |
Relegation would be a complete disaster. | |
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| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 10:09 - Sep 24 with 4054 views | Steve_M |
| This is what was feared when Championship players were replaced by L1 and L2.... on 10:04 - Sep 24 by SomethingBlue |
A drop down would probably not bring new ownership because who the hell would buy it. Relegation would be a disaster, it would set us back years and by the time we recovered it might *literally* be impossible to have thoughts of getting back to the top again. There would not be a single good thing about it — people need to wake up if they think there would be. |
I think it was Elvin King who the Star dragged out to write the "Why relegation will be a good thing" article in 2002. It was bollacks at the time and even more so now.
There might be an argument that relegation in 19-95 was a good thing given how bad that side was but that also owed a lot to Burley's subsequent turnaround. There is absolutely nothing to look forward to about playing in the third tier next season*.
*Maybe Burton away again. | |
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