| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 21:03 - Sep 27 with 4178 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 20:36 - Sep 27 by lowhouseblue |
most people take made up conspiracies on the internet less seriously since the collapse of operation midland. and the guy who made it all up is being prosecuted. so ... |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 22:12 - Sep 27 with 4143 views | jjblue84 |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:41 - Sep 27 by monytowbray |
Drug dealing could be solved if they just legalised the lot and let us get on with it! |
As they could with burglary, mugging... the world does not become a better place by legalising scum ! |  | | |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 22:18 - Sep 27 with 4136 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 22:12 - Sep 27 by jjblue84 |
As they could with burglary, mugging... the world does not become a better place by legalising scum ! |
Drug users are scum? How do you quantity that?
Are you referencing the chattering middle class dinner parties or the poor sods that use it for escapism because they were dealt a bad hand? |  |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 06:29 - Sep 28 with 4074 views | m14_blue |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 12:05 - Sep 27 by sparks |
A quick but of deeper analysis of principles is worthwhile here.
Can Callis please confirm whether he thinks the police / state should act against protesters in these circumstances:
1- A loon of some description (who is not in such a mental state as to be capable of being sectioned) decides that it is wrong to cut grass- because its a living plant. He therefore lies in front of your lawnmower for 4 days, preventing you pursuing your gardening business and costing you money.
2- A person is vehemently against organ transplants for genuinely held religous reasons. He protests by obstructing essential equipment or deliveries to a transplant unit.
I am just trying to establish principles here- so straight answers to two simple questions would be appreciated. |
There's more than a touch of 'reductio ad absurdum' going on here.
Nevertheless, I completely agree that the state should be able to remove people who are causing a disruption whilst protesting.
Do you think the sentences handed out in this particular case were proportionate and warranted? |  | | |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 22:12 - Sep 27 by jjblue84 |
As they could with burglary, mugging... the world does not become a better place by legalising scum ! |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 02:23 - Sep 29 with 3955 views | jjblue84 |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 22:18 - Sep 27 by Lord_Lucan |
Drug users are scum? How do you quantity that?
Are you referencing the chattering middle class dinner parties or the poor sods that use it for escapism because they were dealt a bad hand? |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 06:21 - Sep 29 with 3939 views | WeWereZombies |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 02:23 - Sep 29 by jjblue84 |
Who said that?! |
I guess you are differentiating between drug users and drug dealers. Although that categorisation becomes more difficult when people share drugs, and drugs like alcohol or cannabis or tobacco are socialising drugs in good and bad senses, so can see Lucan's take on your post from that point of view. There are further categories such as small time dealer in soft drugs and large scale importer/smuggler of heroin or cocaine. And do you make exceptions for dealers who are also users and deal to fund an addiction? |  |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 09:05 - Sep 29 with 3918 views | jjblue84 |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 06:21 - Sep 29 by WeWereZombies |
I guess you are differentiating between drug users and drug dealers. Although that categorisation becomes more difficult when people share drugs, and drugs like alcohol or cannabis or tobacco are socialising drugs in good and bad senses, so can see Lucan's take on your post from that point of view. There are further categories such as small time dealer in soft drugs and large scale importer/smuggler of heroin or cocaine. And do you make exceptions for dealers who are also users and deal to fund an addiction? |
The definition is easy, a person can be both a dealer and abuser and often is. Changing the law to make crimes disappear doesn’t solve the issue!! | | | |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 09:16 - Sep 29 with 3911 views | WeWereZombies |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 09:05 - Sep 29 by jjblue84 |
The definition is easy, a person can be both a dealer and abuser and often is. Changing the law to make crimes disappear doesn’t solve the issue!! |
So are you in favour of criminalising the possession, trading and use of alcohol and tobacco? | |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 09:57 - Sep 29 with 3894 views | jjblue84 |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 09:16 - Sep 29 by WeWereZombies |
So are you in favour of criminalising the possession, trading and use of alcohol and tobacco? |
I would be if it was practically possible, alcohol is certainly impossible. The reason the lobbying for marijuana now is so strong is that big cynical business can see that tobacco sales are dying! | | | |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:10 - Sep 29 with 3876 views | Ryorry |
Getting back to fracking, the following doesn't apply to England, at least not yet, but shows how little is even now understood about this industry, and why we should be applying the precautionary principle instead of pursuing it blindly.
BU is Boston University -
http://www.bu.edu/today/2018/the-problem-with-cooking-with-fracked-gas/ |  |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:19 - Sep 29 with 3859 views | WeWereZombies |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 09:57 - Sep 29 by jjblue84 |
I would be if it was practically possible, alcohol is certainly impossible. The reason the lobbying for marijuana now is so strong is that big cynical business can see that tobacco sales are dying! |
I was in Jamaica in February, decriminalisation (though not legalisation) of ganga is in it's third year now and, although I don't partake these days, I was around a lot of people who smoked. The point was made that the marijuana available was either home grown or from small scale farmers and, more significantly, free from the addictive additives that are added by manipulative gangs when dope is sold illegally in Europe and North America. | |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:23 - Sep 29 with 3852 views | StokieBlue |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:10 - Sep 29 by Ryorry |
Getting back to fracking, the following doesn't apply to England, at least not yet, but shows how little is even now understood about this industry, and why we should be applying the precautionary principle instead of pursuing it blindly.
BU is Boston University -
http://www.bu.edu/today/2018/the-problem-with-cooking-with-fracked-gas/ |
Out of interest, what is your specific issue with fracking over other fossil fuels (pursuing renewables is obvious vital either way)?
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:28 - Sep 29 with 3848 views | Ryorry |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:23 - Sep 29 by StokieBlue |
Out of interest, what is your specific issue with fracking over other fossil fuels (pursuing renewables is obvious vital either way)?
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Sorry Stokie, but just not got time for an essay today, maybe Tuesday! | |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:30 - Sep 29 with 3841 views | StokieBlue |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:28 - Sep 29 by Ryorry |
Sorry Stokie, but just not got time for an essay today, maybe Tuesday! |
No worries.
Just that the output from natural gas is far better for people and the environment than coal (for instance people living near coal power stations are subjected to more radiation than those near nuclear power stations). Burning methane is far better than burning coal.
I know you live near the sites which is obviously going to cause concern but if we have to use a fossil fuel (which we do unfortunately) then natural gas is probably the best one to use.
None of the above means I support fracking - it's just an interesting debate. Sometimes the least bad option needs to be considered.
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:41 - Sep 29 with 3829 views | jjblue84 |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:19 - Sep 29 by WeWereZombies |
I was in Jamaica in February, decriminalisation (though not legalisation) of ganga is in it's third year now and, although I don't partake these days, I was around a lot of people who smoked. The point was made that the marijuana available was either home grown or from small scale farmers and, more significantly, free from the addictive additives that are added by manipulative gangs when dope is sold illegally in Europe and North America. |
A typical story spread by the lobbyists, to hide the fact that ‘pure’ marijuana still isn’t safe! [Post edited 29 Sep 2018 10:41]
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:47 - Sep 29 with 3825 views | Ryorry |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:30 - Sep 29 by StokieBlue |
No worries.
Just that the output from natural gas is far better for people and the environment than coal (for instance people living near coal power stations are subjected to more radiation than those near nuclear power stations). Burning methane is far better than burning coal.
I know you live near the sites which is obviously going to cause concern but if we have to use a fossil fuel (which we do unfortunately) then natural gas is probably the best one to use.
None of the above means I support fracking - it's just an interesting debate. Sometimes the least bad option needs to be considered.
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"Natural" gas using conventional methods yes.
Using *unconventional* methods, ie fracking = big fat no for numerous reasons which you don't seem to have gone into at all.
Check out the staggering amount of water required per well, this summer's drought, the fact that even in the USA with their vast amounts of water derived from the great rivers, this is a huge problem.
The lack of robust independent monitoring/regulation, much of that being left to the industry themselves, or the incompetent, understaffed EA who have already overlooked numerous leaks & breaches of regs. And who have pension funds invested in fracking. Not to mention pollution of air, water and land, hundreds of HGV movements in narrow country lanes not fit for purpose, seismic activity, UK population densities and geology totally unsuitable etc etc etc. There's a shedloada info out there, go google!
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 13:23 - Sep 29 with 3797 views | WeWereZombies |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:41 - Sep 29 by jjblue84 |
A typical story spread by the lobbyists, to hide the fact that ‘pure’ marijuana still isn’t safe! [Post edited 29 Sep 2018 10:41]
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It's only a traveller's tale, not a made up story. Sorry if it contradicts your pre-judgement of an issue to the extent that you have to flounce but there it is. | |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 15:22 - Sep 29 with 3766 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Protesting peacefully by causing criminal damage to a lorry and causing the obstruction of a highway? Thats an interesting viewpoint.
Lucky to get away with a charge on Nuisance in my opinion. |  |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 06:54 - Oct 1 with 3718 views | jjblue84 |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 13:23 - Sep 29 by WeWereZombies |
It's only a traveller's tale, not a made up story. Sorry if it contradicts your pre-judgement of an issue to the extent that you have to flounce but there it is. |
And you have no way of knowing that... | | | |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 13:16 - Oct 1 with 3661 views | monytowbray |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 06:54 - Oct 1 by jjblue84 |
And you have no way of knowing that... |
Define what you mean by "pure" marajuana please? |  |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 13:37 - Oct 1 with 3646 views | WeWereZombies |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 06:54 - Oct 1 by jjblue84 |
And you have no way of knowing that... |
I think you are just contradicting things for the sake of contradicting things, tiresome. | |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 13:38 - Oct 1 with 3644 views | chicoazul |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:19 - Sep 29 by WeWereZombies |
I was in Jamaica in February, decriminalisation (though not legalisation) of ganga is in it's third year now and, although I don't partake these days, I was around a lot of people who smoked. The point was made that the marijuana available was either home grown or from small scale farmers and, more significantly, free from the addictive additives that are added by manipulative gangs when dope is sold illegally in Europe and North America. |
Good to know. Jamaica is a notoriously peaceful and crime-free place so obviously the decriminalisation you speak of has worked well. |  |
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| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 15:16 - Oct 1 with 3616 views | No9 |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 10:30 - Sep 29 by StokieBlue |
No worries.
Just that the output from natural gas is far better for people and the environment than coal (for instance people living near coal power stations are subjected to more radiation than those near nuclear power stations). Burning methane is far better than burning coal.
I know you live near the sites which is obviously going to cause concern but if we have to use a fossil fuel (which we do unfortunately) then natural gas is probably the best one to use.
None of the above means I support fracking - it's just an interesting debate. Sometimes the least bad option needs to be considered.
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With fracking it is not a matter of burning methane is it?
Depending what comes out of the ground and how/ where it is burnt is more the issue.
If it is oil that means finding a way of getting it to the nearest refinery with all the traffic & other issues in the risk mix.
If it is gas & there is no way of treating it on site to just burn it in generators will produce some real nasties (worse than coal) and with water injection there is an significantly increased risk of producing H2s, which kills.
Then there is the matter of the radio active stuff that comes up - how to deal with that?
The cost in infrastructure can outweigh any benefits.
Had the offshore hydrocarbns not been chucked down the road in the 80's and we have stuck with the Norwegian model all this could be avoided - then again it would have spoiled the £/$ of a number of tory MP's? | | | |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 18:58 - Oct 1 with 3588 views | WeWereZombies |
| Apparently peaceful protest can now get you sent to prison on 13:38 - Oct 1 by chicoazul |
Good to know. Jamaica is a notoriously peaceful and crime-free place so obviously the decriminalisation you speak of has worked well. |
I think Jamaica had a few issues before marijuana was de-crimalised, as usual you are mis-firing. You could also point out that Jamaica has more churches per head of population than any other nation, I guess you would probably deduce that drugs drive people to religion from that. | |
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