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In the Second World War we were NOT feeding ourselves. Hence the need for extremely costly (in terms of lives, ships and money) convoys across the Atlantic. And the necessity of a rationing system - which got more stringent once US generosity was withdrawn in late 1945 and we could no longer afford to import stuff.
"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 08:30 - Sep 28 by Guthrum
In the Second World War we were NOT feeding ourselves. Hence the need for extremely costly (in terms of lives, ships and money) convoys across the Atlantic. And the necessity of a rationing system - which got more stringent once US generosity was withdrawn in late 1945 and we could no longer afford to import stuff.
Yes, I was going to add that point but got distracted by the incredibly bleak nature of that photo.
"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 08:30 - Sep 28 by Guthrum
In the Second World War we were NOT feeding ourselves. Hence the need for extremely costly (in terms of lives, ships and money) convoys across the Atlantic. And the necessity of a rationing system - which got more stringent once US generosity was withdrawn in late 1945 and we could no longer afford to import stuff.
Exactly.
Unfortunately this is the result of poor historical knowledge/education be peddled as fact.
Or fake news if you like.
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"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 08:54 - Sep 28 with 3038 views
"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 08:30 - Sep 28 by Guthrum
In the Second World War we were NOT feeding ourselves. Hence the need for extremely costly (in terms of lives, ships and money) convoys across the Atlantic. And the necessity of a rationing system - which got more stringent once US generosity was withdrawn in late 1945 and we could no longer afford to import stuff.
Furthermore, the UK population was around 45 million and is now closer to 67 million. Also, there is less available farmland.
"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 08:24 - Sep 28 by DanTheMan
"I know he’s Ukip but Nigel Farage made a very valid point when he called them gangsters. These people are just bully boys."
But it was going to be so easy! We were going to go in and they would be begging us for a deal!
Now they're "gangsters" for wanting a deal on their terms, like us. Propaganda sure is good.
This is what I still struggle to fathom. It's a complete victim mentality: "“They’ve treated both her and us appallingly,”..."She’s trying as hard as she can, but the way she was treated was despicable.”
Arghh!. There are clear lines for EU member states. Non-members can't have those same benefits. WE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES TWO YEARS AGO!!!
And why are they complaining that they can't have their cake and eat it? Brexiteers keep telling us they want a clean break. Well, we're getting closer to one, so should be happy not whinging that we're going to be missing out on membership benefits.
"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 08:30 - Sep 28 by Guthrum
In the Second World War we were NOT feeding ourselves. Hence the need for extremely costly (in terms of lives, ships and money) convoys across the Atlantic. And the necessity of a rationing system - which got more stringent once US generosity was withdrawn in late 1945 and we could no longer afford to import stuff.
"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 09:05 - Sep 28 by Swansea_Blue
This is what I still struggle to fathom. It's a complete victim mentality: "“They’ve treated both her and us appallingly,”..."She’s trying as hard as she can, but the way she was treated was despicable.”
Arghh!. There are clear lines for EU member states. Non-members can't have those same benefits. WE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES TWO YEARS AGO!!!
And why are they complaining that they can't have their cake and eat it? Brexiteers keep telling us they want a clean break. Well, we're getting closer to one, so should be happy not whinging that we're going to be missing out on membership benefits.
It's head-exploding contradiction and nonsense.
Hmph.
I'm trying not to worry about the journey of Brexit, but keep an eye on the opportunities it will bring.
The EU were never going to make it remotely smooth. It was always going to be this way and it's a case of nerve.
We both need each other which is why I think the EU have been rank in their stance. They have been stirring fear and loathing since we voted to Leave. It is a measure of them as a union that they feel they have to behave this way.
We will be fine. The more they complain the better the outcome for us. It's a zero sum game.
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 09:12 - Sep 28 by hampstead_blue
I'm trying not to worry about the journey of Brexit, but keep an eye on the opportunities it will bring.
The EU were never going to make it remotely smooth. It was always going to be this way and it's a case of nerve.
We both need each other which is why I think the EU have been rank in their stance. They have been stirring fear and loathing since we voted to Leave. It is a measure of them as a union that they feel they have to behave this way.
We will be fine. The more they complain the better the outcome for us. It's a zero sum game.
It's not a zero sum game, it really isn't at all. International trade brings mutual benefits in the aggregate, I really can't see how crashing out and breaking UK manufacturing (and possibly agriculture too) will benefit the UK.
"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 09:12 - Sep 28 by hampstead_blue
I'm trying not to worry about the journey of Brexit, but keep an eye on the opportunities it will bring.
The EU were never going to make it remotely smooth. It was always going to be this way and it's a case of nerve.
We both need each other which is why I think the EU have been rank in their stance. They have been stirring fear and loathing since we voted to Leave. It is a measure of them as a union that they feel they have to behave this way.
We will be fine. The more they complain the better the outcome for us. It's a zero sum game.
The EU couldn't have made it smoother (on this point). They laid out their lines in the sand at the start and we've spent two years fighting over the spade we think (wrongly) that we can use to re-draw them. And now Boris has gone off in a huff with the bucket.
Although I do wish more people would focus on the opportunities, agreed there.
"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 08:24 - Sep 28 by DanTheMan
"I know he’s Ukip but Nigel Farage made a very valid point when he called them gangsters. These people are just bully boys."
But it was going to be so easy! We were going to go in and they would be begging us for a deal!
Now they're "gangsters" for wanting a deal on their terms, like us. Propaganda sure is good.
It makes me really angry that the negotiators who are totally bound by the rule of law, and who won't agree to anything which compromises prior legally binding agreements, are being characterized as "gangsters".
Whereas fckwits like Rees-Mogg who has dismissed the Eire/N Ireland border as unimportant, or Johnson, who wants to shove it to one side and deal with it at an indeterminate point in the future, are advocating the breaking of a legally binding agreement for short-term advantage.
How can anyone want this sh1t-shower to negotiate "bespoke deals" with the likes of Trump, from a position of desperation, when they can't even negotiate with people who play by the rules, on a level playing field, according to the timetable of their own choosing.
We will be eating chlorine washed turkeys by Christmas 2020.
Personally I'd rather all trade deals with Trump were carried out on our behalf by Barnier and co, as part of a bloc just as big and important as the USA is, and with non-negotiable legal frameworks in place.
But the "sovereignty lovers" will instead go in from a position of weakness and contort whatever needs to be changed to, for example, much lower US food standards, in order to make the deal.
And the EU will be weaker, too.
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"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 09:40 - Sep 28 with 2910 views
I honestly don't see how any of the countries in the eurozone COULD leave unless they were somehow going to continue to use the Euro as their currency.
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"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 10:26 - Sep 28 with 2818 views
"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 10:13 - Sep 28 by TJS
I honestly don't see how any of the countries in the eurozone COULD leave unless they were somehow going to continue to use the Euro as their currency.
They could set the EUR-CCY to a fixed exchange rate on a certain date then go back to printing their own currencty. That's what happened when the EUR was created but just the other way round.
If a country did leave but retained the EUR it would be a disasterous decision economically.
SB
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"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 11:22 - Sep 28 with 2765 views
"In the second world war we were feeding ourselves" on 10:13 - Sep 28 by TJS
I honestly don't see how any of the countries in the eurozone COULD leave unless they were somehow going to continue to use the Euro as their currency.
It's possible but you start at a position of having no national currency reserves. If the nation's treasury had somehow managed to stockpile gold bullion they might be OK, or maybe bitcoins. Otherwise it is likely that exchange markets would undervalue their unproven currency for decades.
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