| This team is not as bad as people are claiming 15:59 - Oct 22 with 4417 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
If it was, then Hurst is performing a miracle to have us so close to safety.
The real problem is they are not playing well.
Bart's form (and now Gerken) is nothing like last season. Is Pennington or even Nsiala any worse than whoever partnered Chambers last season? Knudsen is still here. Is Donacien any worse than Spence? Lining them up out of position doesn't help but it has been a lot of individual errors that have cost us defensively.
We are missing Waghorn's creativity and finishing for sure. We need someone from Edwards, Nolan, Dozzell and Chalobah to step up but we were comfortably mid-table last season. There is no reason why a good manager can't have us out of the relegation zone. Currently, the signs are that Hurst cannot get the best out of the players he has. |  |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:05 - Oct 22 with 4023 views | Illinoisblue |
Let's be honest, it's a piss-weak squad devoid of defensive solidity, creativity and goal threat. But to your point, we have on paper a better squad than Rotherham, Milwall, Reading and maybe a couple others. We should stay up, but I very much doubt we will. |  |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:09 - Oct 22 with 3996 views | FrimleyBlue |
He's performing a miracle?
This is his side..... |  |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:13 - Oct 22 with 3978 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:09 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
He's performing a miracle?
This is his side..... |
Did you read my post at all or just that one line?
Some people (including you, I believe) are claiming the players are so poor no manager could keep us up. [Post edited 22 Oct 2018 16:15]
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:17 - Oct 22 with 3950 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:13 - Oct 22 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Did you read my post at all or just that one line?
Some people (including you, I believe) are claiming the players are so poor no manager could keep us up. [Post edited 22 Oct 2018 16:15]
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Sorry I don't get what you're saying.. | |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:21 - Oct 22 with 3930 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:17 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Sorry I don't get what you're saying.. |
What I am saying is either the team is good enough to stay up (my belief), or Hurst is doing a good job with the personnel he has (not my belief).
Supporting evidence in the further comments in the OP. We are missing Waghorn from last season. That is not the difference between 12th and 24th cut adrift (in my opinion). It is the management of the players we have and the tactics that are wrong. | |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:29 - Oct 22 with 3899 views | Bluedandy |
Hurst is not a good manager at this level and should be dumped before we endure any more damage.
All is not lost but it soon will be if Evans dithers much longer. | | | |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:30 - Oct 22 with 3884 views | FrimleyBlue |
The answer is. Half the team are good. Half the team is shte. Results depend on which side of the coin guests selection falls upon. | |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:31 - Oct 22 with 3877 views | swede |
I wish you were right, but from what I saw on Saturday, this team has bottom of the table relegation written all over it. I have been going to PR for almost 50 years and I have not seen a weaker team in all those years. I spoke with some QPR offcials afterwards who were shocked at how poor we were and this has been said in another thread on here today.
The game was littered with basic errors (see the goals) from town players and the back line had no other plan than to hit a high ball down the pitch to a 5ft 7inch Freddie Sears. Paul Hurst has made some very poor signings and even worse tactical decisions with square pegs in round holes.
It grieves me to say it, but I cannot see us getting out of this mess without drastic action. | | | |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:33 - Oct 22 with 3872 views | itfcjoe |
If it's any consolation I understand your point and agree to an extent - this side being organised and defending set pieces better would have seen us easily a few places higher and not in the bottom 3. |  |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:40 - Oct 22 with 3823 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
Bialkowski last 3 season has been the player of the season. Should be starting.
Donacien better than Spence, but no better than Emmanuel imo.
We should have gone back for CCV, was on the loan market for such a long time before Swansea and with him being here last year seemed a natural fit with Chambers. (Nsiala isn't at Championship level, ridiculously rash and is finding hard now everyone in this league is so much sharper than L1).
Knudsen is what Knudsen is.
Chalobah and Skuse an ok pair I feel.
Edwards good signing. But Nolan, Ward, Sears and Jackson is an embarrassing replacement for Waghorn, Celina, McGoldrick and Garner, there is the reason we are going down, and we are going down if Hurst remains in charge. |  |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:40 - Oct 22 with 3822 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:31 - Oct 22 by swede |
I wish you were right, but from what I saw on Saturday, this team has bottom of the table relegation written all over it. I have been going to PR for almost 50 years and I have not seen a weaker team in all those years. I spoke with some QPR offcials afterwards who were shocked at how poor we were and this has been said in another thread on here today.
The game was littered with basic errors (see the goals) from town players and the back line had no other plan than to hit a high ball down the pitch to a 5ft 7inch Freddie Sears. Paul Hurst has made some very poor signings and even worse tactical decisions with square pegs in round holes.
It grieves me to say it, but I cannot see us getting out of this mess without drastic action. |
That performance, yes. Like the one at Grimsby to finish off Burley.
However, it is a tactical thing above a personnel thing. Bart, Chambers and Knudsen did not play far above their ability last season. The basic errors are coming from a lack of cohesion and tactics. Whether his signings are poor only time will tell. However, we have sufficient Championship standard players that an effective manager should keep us up. This would suggest Hurst is not a sufficiently effective manager.
What we really need is to get the tactics right and find effective partnerships throughout the pitch. I haven't much sign of those at all yet. | |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:46 - Oct 22 with 3795 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:40 - Oct 22 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Bialkowski last 3 season has been the player of the season. Should be starting.
Donacien better than Spence, but no better than Emmanuel imo.
We should have gone back for CCV, was on the loan market for such a long time before Swansea and with him being here last year seemed a natural fit with Chambers. (Nsiala isn't at Championship level, ridiculously rash and is finding hard now everyone in this league is so much sharper than L1).
Knudsen is what Knudsen is.
Chalobah and Skuse an ok pair I feel.
Edwards good signing. But Nolan, Ward, Sears and Jackson is an embarrassing replacement for Waghorn, Celina, McGoldrick and Garner, there is the reason we are going down, and we are going down if Hurst remains in charge. |
Agreed, although I understood Bart getting dropped. Had he not been, the message would have been that players were going to play regardless of form. He should be back for the Leeds game in my view (and with a point to prove).
What we got from Celina, McGoldrick and Garner should easily be replaced by Dozzell, Edwards and Ward. Jackson and Sears are a step down from Waghorn without a doubt but not the difference between comfortable mid table and certain relegation. If we go down with Hurst (or anyone else) it is because the manager is not good enough rather than because the players are not. I agree, it is a realistic danger at the moment. | |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 19:25 - Oct 22 with 3644 views | Terry_Nutkins |
Why does it have to be him performing miracles? Its a very poor squad performing at that level:poorly. He put it together so he has to take the blame unfortunately. It would be difficult but not impossible for another manager to get much out of this team. It can be done i.e. in Mick fashion but it is going to be very difficult now.
The only thing this squad has in its favour is it has some real decent young players who could be developed but that is never a given. | |
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| You're right..... on 19:29 - Oct 22 with 3635 views | Bloots |
....it's actually a lot worse.
There are still some people who think we'll be OK purely because of the OTT position they took with the previous manager.
They don't want to lose face now. |  |
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| You're right..... on 19:38 - Oct 22 with 3595 views | BlueBadger |
| You're right..... on 19:29 - Oct 22 by Bloots |
....it's actually a lot worse.
There are still some people who think we'll be OK purely because of the OTT position they took with the previous manager.
They don't want to lose face now. |
Don't be mach-ing a scene now. |  |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 22:06 - Oct 22 with 3475 views | TheSelkirk |
PH has certainly managed to keep us a lot closer to the top of League 1 than I expected. |  | | |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 22:54 - Oct 22 with 3396 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
I agree with you. The squad, albeit evidently poorer than last season, is better than the current league position but Hurst cannot get the best out of them, not even close, and it’s gone too far now for him to recover it. |  | | |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 23:01 - Oct 22 with 3364 views | LeagueOne |
They are though. You can dress it up all you like, that QPR performance was one of the worse Town performances we have EVER seen. How can you deny that? Why would you want this to continue?
"The real problem is they are not playing well. "
Really... |  |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 23:06 - Oct 22 with 3352 views | Currie10 |
Wake up and open your eyes.
I've been watching games since 2003 - so not going to comment pre then as would be foolish.
This is to me, the worst collective bunch of players we've had in my time as an active fan in relation to the division.
Even under Keane + Jewell's lowest points, we had several good players.
Cresswell / McAuley / Chopra pre issues / Bullard / D.Wright / others.
This team collectively is absolutely toilet. |  | | |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 23:08 - Oct 22 with 3349 views | Sarge |
Is Pennington or even Nsiala any worse than whoever partnered Chambers last season?
- erm yes, Nsiala is a complete liability and CCV was a class act
Waghorn, Garner, McG were all comfortably better than our current striker offerings
Donacien is ok but doesn’t seem to play in the same position more than once
Midfield is empty, Chalobah hot and cold, Edwards good but isolated, Nolan....yeah
It’s a piss poor squad and that’s reflected by so many piss poor performances and one solitary win. | | | |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 23:58 - Oct 22 with 3266 views | BlueBadger |
We can't score, we can't defend and the manager is insistent on shoe-horning in players out-of-position into a system none of them seem to be able to play in.
At this point in time, he's Keane-meets-Jewell with an extra wrinkle of his own. | |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 06:30 - Oct 23 with 3171 views | Reuser_is_God |
No, it’s far worse than any of us can put into words. |  |
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| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 06:32 - Oct 23 with 3164 views | Benters2 |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 16:09 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
He's performing a miracle?
This is his side..... |
Did he mention PH is a tatical genius i got bored reading it. | | | |
| This team is not as bad as people are claiming on 06:55 - Oct 23 with 3114 views | 44_not_out |
The squad last season was probably just about ‘average’ and over achieved, given the motivation they had. This squad is weaker, but drastically underachieving, thus the league position. If you look at the sidelines and a guy with little passion, who looks like a rabbit in the headlights, is it any surprise! See ya Hurst, thanks for coming but enough is enough.
I think we have enough to finish 4th bottom, but not with him in charge! | | | |
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