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Brexit - some advice from Australia 22:57 - Nov 18 with 4944 viewsPinewoodblue

Aussie (ex PM) Tony Abbott sums it up beautifully!-----

It’s pretty hard for Britain’s friends, here in Australia, to make sense of the mess that’s being made of Brexit. The referendum result was perhaps the biggest-ever vote of confidence in the United Kingdom, its past and its future. But the British establishment doesn’t seem to share that confidence and instead looks desperate to cut a deal, even if that means staying under the rule of Brussels. Looking at this from abroad, it’s baffling: the country that did the most to bring democracy into the modern world might yet throw away the chance to take charge of its own destiny.

Let’s get one thing straight: a negotiation that you’re not prepared to walk away from is not a negotiation – it’s surrender. It’s all give and no get. When David Cameron tried to renegotiate Britain’s EU membership, he was sent packing because Brussels judged (rightly) that he’d never actually back leaving. And since then, Brussels has made no real concessions to Theresa May because it judges (rightly, it seems) that she’s desperate for whatever deal she can get.

The EU’s palpable desire to punish Britain for leaving vindicates the Brexit project. Its position, now, is that there’s only one ‘deal’ on offer, whereby the UK retains all of the burdens of EU membership but with no say in setting the rules. The EU seems to think that Britain will go along with this because it’s terrified of no deal. Or, to put it another way, terrified of the prospect of its own independence.

But even after two years of fearmongering and vacillation, it’s not too late for robust leadership to deliver the Brexit that people voted for. It’s time for Britain to announce what it will do if the EU can’t make an acceptable offer by March 29 next year – and how it would handle no deal. Freed from EU rules, Britain would automatically revert to world trade, using rules agreed by the World Trade Organization. It works pretty well for Australia. So why on earth would it not work just as well for the world’s fifth-largest economy?

A world trade Brexit lets Britain set its own rules. It can say, right now, that it will not impose any tariff or quota on European produce and would recognise all EU product standards. That means no border controls for goods coming from Europe to Britain. You don’t need to negotiate this: just do it. If Europe knows what’s in its own best interests, it would fully reciprocate in order to maintain entirely free trade and full mutual recognition of standards right across Europe.

Next, the UK should declare that Europeans already living here should have the right to remain permanently – and, of course, become British citizens if they wish. This should be a unilateral offer. Again, you don’t need a deal. You don’t need Michel Barnier’s permission. If Europe knows what’s best for itself, it would likewise allow Britons to stay where they are.

Third, there should continue to be free movement of people from Europe into Britain – but with a few conditions. Only for work, not welfare. And with a foreign worker’s tax on the employer, to make sure anyone coming in would not be displacing British workers.

Fourth, no ‘divorce bill’ whatsoever should be paid to Brussels. The UK government would assume the EU’s property and liabilities in Britain, and the EU would assume Britain’s share of these in Europe. If Britain was getting its fair share, these would balance out; and if Britain wasn’t getting its fair share, it’s the EU that should be paying Britain.

Finally, there’s no need on Britain’s part for a hard border with Ireland. Britain wouldn’t be imposing tariffs on European goods, so there’s no money to collect. The UK has exactly the same product standards as the Republic, so let’s not pretend you need to check for problems we all know don’t exist. Some changes may be needed but technology allows for smart borders: there was never any need for a Cold War-style Checkpoint Charlie. Irish citizens, of course, have the right to live and work in the UK in an agreement that long predates EU membership.

Of course, the EU might not like this British leap for independence. It might hit out with tariffs and impose burdens on Britain as it does on the US – but WTO rules put a cap on any retaliatory action. The worst it can get? We’re talking levies of an average 4 or 5 per cent. Which would be more than offset by a post-Brexit devaluation of the pound (which would have the added bonus of making British goods more competitive everywhere).

UK officialdom assumes that a deal is vital, which is why so little thought has been put into how Britain might just walk away. Instead, officials have concocted lurid scenarios featuring runs on the pound, gridlock at ports, grounded aircraft, hoarding of medicines and flights of investment. It’s been the pre-referendum Project Fear campaign on steroids. And let’s not forget how employment, investment and economic growth ticked up after the referendum.

As a former prime minister of Australia and a lifelong friend of your country, I would say this: Britain has nothing to lose except the shackles that the EU imposes on it. After the courage shown by its citizens in the referendum, it would be a tragedy if political leaders go wobbly now. Britain’s future has always been global, rather than just with Europe. Like so many of Britain’s admirers, I want to see this great country seize this chance and make the most of it.

Tony Abbott served as Prime Minister of Australia from 2013 to 2015

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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 23:20 - Nov 18 with 4858 viewsXYZ

Does he mention the bit about his mates selling much more iron ore, coal, uranium, sheep, wheat, etc. to the UK (and continuing to ignore global climate change agreements)?

Abbott doesn't speak for the Liberal Party (the Aus version of metro tories, for the uninitiated) let alone Australia.
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 23:27 - Nov 18 with 4824 viewsBlueBadger

Two years in the job? He was clearly as popular as he was impactful.

I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 23:29 - Nov 18 with 4825 viewsXYZ

Brexit - some advice from Australia on 23:27 - Nov 18 by BlueBadger

Two years in the job? He was clearly as popular as he was impactful.


tbf, two years as Aus PM counts as "long-serving" these days
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 23:35 - Nov 18 with 4821 viewsm14_blue

Remember how outraged all you leavers got when Obama ‘interfered’ in our politics?
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 23:35 - Nov 18 with 4816 viewsDarth_Koont

Abbott's a bit of a loon and he seems to have the same level of insight and understanding as some of our more ideologically or mentally challenged politicians.

He also doesn't care if he's wrong.

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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 00:06 - Nov 19 with 4791 viewsGuthrum

'Britain would automatically revert to world trade, using rules agreed by the World Trade Organization. It works pretty well for Australia.' - Which trades primarily with China, with the USA and Japan some way behind. Just 3.4% of exports go to the UK, 1.2% to Germany and the whole of the rest of the EU is off the bottom of this list. It is a net importer from the EU. Thus WTO rules make very little difference to Australia, but would not be the case with the UK, whose largest trading partner is the EU.

'... free movement of people from Europe into Britain ... for work ...' - Which was one of the major issues that got people voting for Brexit in the first place: Europeans coming to the UK and "taking our jobs".

'... no ‘divorce bill’ whatsoever should be paid to Brussels.' - It isn't a 'divorce bill', but a reckoning of our liabilities based on agreements we have already signed.

'... no need on Britain’s part for a hard border with Ireland. Britain wouldn’t be imposing tariffs on European goods, so there’s no money to collect. The UK has exactly the same product standards as the Republic, so let’s not pretend you need to check for problems we all know don’t exist.' - Strange to hear Tony "lock up the migrants" Abbott advocating completely open borders. Ignores the fact the EU might impose a hard border in the other direction, thus creating more intra-Irish separation and thus possibly Republican unrest.

But it is not at all surprising to see Abbott drooling over something which smacks of populist nationalism. He's an advocate of minimal business regulation, thinks climate change is a good thing (when he's not hanging around with outright deniers) and his government cut services harshly. Abbott was so unpopular he was overthrown by his own party.

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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 00:21 - Nov 19 with 4758 viewsSibelius8

Thank for posting. This article was published in "The Spectator" in the UK two or three weeks ago.
An interesting read, no matter what your personal views are concerning "Brexit."
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 00:33 - Nov 19 with 4742 viewsJonnosdreadlocks

Brexit - some advice from Australia on 23:35 - Nov 18 by m14_blue

Remember how outraged all you leavers got when Obama ‘interfered’ in our politics?


Tony 'Budgie Smugglers' Abbot was born in England so that makes him a pom. So he's not interfering like Obama, so pipe down.

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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 08:01 - Nov 19 with 4465 viewsSteve_M

I see he's reached the level of (lack of) awareness in the UK about a year ago to make the claim that a negotiator should always be able to walk away from a deal. Even our dimmer Brexiters in government have now realised that No Deal is not the same as the status quo ante due to May's premature submission of Article 50.
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 08:47 - Nov 19 with 4374 viewskeighleyblue

Brexit - some advice from Australia on 00:33 - Nov 19 by Jonnosdreadlocks

Tony 'Budgie Smugglers' Abbot was born in England so that makes him a pom. So he's not interfering like Obama, so pipe down.


I was born in Germany to English parents serving in the forces in Germany. Does that make me German, then, by your logic?
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 09:00 - Nov 19 with 4331 viewssolemio

Brexit - some advice from Australia on 08:47 - Nov 19 by keighleyblue

I was born in Germany to English parents serving in the forces in Germany. Does that make me German, then, by your logic?


Of course. If you had been born in a coal sty you would be a lump of coal. Pig sty: pig
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 09:40 - Nov 19 with 4245 viewsurbanblue

Whatever you may think of what he said, those without knowledge of Australian politics need to know the man is a complete loon! As Prime Minister his suggested policies were about to bring Australia to it's knees until the party got rid of him just in time. Now he sits on the back bench and together with his extreme right wing cohorts disrupts his party in government to an almost certain defeat at the next election ... and he's loving it!

When Prime Minister he said 'Climate Change is probably doing good and climate change science is absolute crap'

If you want a laugh have a look at this hilarious clip about him. 2.45 is absolute gold ... and yes, it is real!

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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 09:44 - Nov 19 with 4226 viewsSwansea_Blue

Brexit - some advice from Australia on 09:40 - Nov 19 by urbanblue

Whatever you may think of what he said, those without knowledge of Australian politics need to know the man is a complete loon! As Prime Minister his suggested policies were about to bring Australia to it's knees until the party got rid of him just in time. Now he sits on the back bench and together with his extreme right wing cohorts disrupts his party in government to an almost certain defeat at the next election ... and he's loving it!

When Prime Minister he said 'Climate Change is probably doing good and climate change science is absolute crap'

If you want a laugh have a look at this hilarious clip about him. 2.45 is absolute gold ... and yes, it is real!



He sounds like Farage on steroids. A complete an utter tosser, no doubt with some very vested interests behind what he's ranting about.

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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 09:44 - Nov 19 with 4223 viewsBlueBadger

Brexit - some advice from Australia on 00:33 - Nov 19 by Jonnosdreadlocks

Tony 'Budgie Smugglers' Abbot was born in England so that makes him a pom. So he's not interfering like Obama, so pipe down.


So, on this basis, you'll be disregarding the thoughts of one Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson on all matters Brexit as well?

I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 10:27 - Nov 19 with 4171 viewsurbanblue

Brexit - some advice from Australia on 09:44 - Nov 19 by Swansea_Blue

He sounds like Farage on steroids. A complete an utter tosser, no doubt with some very vested interests behind what he's ranting about.


Spot on!
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 13:05 - Nov 19 with 4028 viewsXYZ

Brexit - some advice from Australia on 00:33 - Nov 19 by Jonnosdreadlocks

Tony 'Budgie Smugglers' Abbot was born in England so that makes him a pom. So he's not interfering like Obama, so pipe down.


You should let the Aus authorities know that because it's illegal to be an Aus MP if you are a citizen of another country as several of Abbot's colleagues found out.
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 18:38 - Nov 19 with 3862 viewsEireannach_gorm

Brexit - some advice from Australia on 09:40 - Nov 19 by urbanblue

Whatever you may think of what he said, those without knowledge of Australian politics need to know the man is a complete loon! As Prime Minister his suggested policies were about to bring Australia to it's knees until the party got rid of him just in time. Now he sits on the back bench and together with his extreme right wing cohorts disrupts his party in government to an almost certain defeat at the next election ... and he's loving it!

When Prime Minister he said 'Climate Change is probably doing good and climate change science is absolute crap'

If you want a laugh have a look at this hilarious clip about him. 2.45 is absolute gold ... and yes, it is real!



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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 18:55 - Nov 19 with 3846 viewsjimmyvet

Will you stop putting anything on this forum that the wise men on here there’s about 6 of them don’t agree with. They have all the answers they know everything and if you disagree your either racist a loon or just plain thick, boy I wish I was as wise as them.
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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 20:00 - Nov 19 with 3795 viewsPinewoodblue

Brexit - some advice from Australia on 18:55 - Nov 19 by jimmyvet

Will you stop putting anything on this forum that the wise men on here there’s about 6 of them don’t agree with. They have all the answers they know everything and if you disagree your either racist a loon or just plain thick, boy I wish I was as wise as them.


To be fair the Aussies views were a bit simplistic.

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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 20:36 - Nov 19 with 3761 viewsjpring89

Brexit - some advice from Australia on 18:55 - Nov 19 by jimmyvet

Will you stop putting anything on this forum that the wise men on here there’s about 6 of them don’t agree with. They have all the answers they know everything and if you disagree your either racist a loon or just plain thick, boy I wish I was as wise as them.



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Brexit - some advice from Australia on 20:58 - Nov 19 with 3732 viewsMullet

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/1155

This is the mark of the "man". He can keep his nose out.

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