| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? 15:34 - Nov 28 with 6304 views | SpruceMoose |
Still waiting to hear from Jezwald on this one though. |  |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:38 - Nov 28 with 3056 views | BlueBadger |
I'm sure the Dear Leader will, as always be demonstrating clear, unambiguous and competent leadership on this. |  |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:39 - Nov 28 with 3054 views | SpruceMoose |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:38 - Nov 28 by BlueBadger |
I'm sure the Dear Leader will, as always be demonstrating clear, unambiguous and competent leadership on this. |
Yes, no doubt he will be issuing a statement any year now. | |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:42 - Nov 28 with 3030 views | Withnail |
Labour are essentially whores. 'National interest' just isn't in their vocabulary.
Maybe they know that Leave would win for a third time?
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:43 - Nov 28 with 3021 views | No9 |
Why would they not ask the membership what they should do? |  | | |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:44 - Nov 28 with 3015 views | Rob88 |
It depends where public opinion is and whether it would be in their best interests to do so. | | | |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:44 - Nov 28 with 3015 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
They'll jump on ANYTHING to try to get into power.
Although their (official) leader is a MASSIVE brexiteer, so it might be an issue for him. |  |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:48 - Nov 28 with 2998 views | SpruceMoose |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:42 - Nov 28 by Withnail |
Labour are essentially whores. 'National interest' just isn't in their vocabulary.
Maybe they know that Leave would win for a third time?
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On the contrary, maybe they had a look at this and are acting in the national interest.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/28/uk-significantly-worse-off-unde
Given this announcement, surely you would want to act in the national interest and switch to favouring us keeping our EU membership status, yes? [Post edited 28 Nov 2018 15:52]
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:53 - Nov 28 with 2975 views | JakeITFC |
Maybe letting the Tories make a mess of a difficult position was the plan all along. [Post edited 28 Nov 2018 15:59]
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:01 - Nov 28 with 2949 views | giant_stow |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:42 - Nov 28 by Withnail |
Labour are essentially whores. 'National interest' just isn't in their vocabulary.
Maybe they know that Leave would win for a third time?
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How about best of 1775 with one ref held every two years? |  |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:04 - Nov 28 with 2941 views | brazil1982 |
Not all about economic reasons. | | | |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:05 - Nov 28 with 2937 views | J2BLUE |
No idea why they keep demanding a general election. They have no chance.
Corbyn, McDonnell and Thornberry make May, Hammond and Hunt look like the A Team. |  |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:07 - Nov 28 with 2929 views | SpruceMoose |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:04 - Nov 28 by brazil1982 |
Not all about economic reasons. |
What other reasons are worth trashing our economy in the long term?
If it turns out we are demonstrably going to be worse off economically in EVERY scenario, and that doesn't change minds, then it goes a long way to demonstrate the naked ideology of those folk imo. | |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:08 - Nov 28 with 2931 views | LeagueOne |
If people were that desperate for a second vote, why didn't the Liberal Democrats do very well in the General Election? It was one of their key election differences over Labour, who are, and will be, committed to some form of Brexit.
The Tories with their Brexit means Brexit lies picked up 13,636,684 votes, and the Liberals only 2,371,910? The Tories were only 4 million shy of the 17mil who voted to leave.
Hardly a resounding electoral endorsement of a re-run referendum. Polls as we have found out, are nonsense and politically skewed to favour newspapers views, such as the ones saying how everyone hated Corbyn and then he achieved a better Labour result than Blair vote share wise. It's just that between the Brexit vote backing May, and the SNP now holding Scotland that he didn't win.
Looking at the results of both the GE and Ref suggests that much won't change with a neverendum. If Leave lose a 2nd they'll just claim Brexit was sabotaged by the remain politicians, UKIP will pick up votes again putting pressure on the Tories, the Tories need their votes to win and will do something to get them on side and the thing will rumble on and on. |  |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:09 - Nov 28 with 2923 views | SpruceMoose |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:05 - Nov 28 by J2BLUE |
No idea why they keep demanding a general election. They have no chance.
Corbyn, McDonnell and Thornberry make May, Hammond and Hunt look like the A Team. |
I know, but they clearly think different for some reason. Maybe they think they need a GE before the Jezamaniacs realise he's not into what they're into. [Post edited 28 Nov 2018 16:11]
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:09 - Nov 28 with 2918 views | SpruceMoose |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:08 - Nov 28 by LeagueOne |
If people were that desperate for a second vote, why didn't the Liberal Democrats do very well in the General Election? It was one of their key election differences over Labour, who are, and will be, committed to some form of Brexit.
The Tories with their Brexit means Brexit lies picked up 13,636,684 votes, and the Liberals only 2,371,910? The Tories were only 4 million shy of the 17mil who voted to leave.
Hardly a resounding electoral endorsement of a re-run referendum. Polls as we have found out, are nonsense and politically skewed to favour newspapers views, such as the ones saying how everyone hated Corbyn and then he achieved a better Labour result than Blair vote share wise. It's just that between the Brexit vote backing May, and the SNP now holding Scotland that he didn't win.
Looking at the results of both the GE and Ref suggests that much won't change with a neverendum. If Leave lose a 2nd they'll just claim Brexit was sabotaged by the remain politicians, UKIP will pick up votes again putting pressure on the Tories, the Tories need their votes to win and will do something to get them on side and the thing will rumble on and on. |
Why didn't the Liberal Democrats do well? Perhaps because of, rightly or wrongly, their perception as Tory enablers. [Post edited 28 Nov 2018 16:10]
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:11 - Nov 28 with 2905 views | giant_stow |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:08 - Nov 28 by LeagueOne |
If people were that desperate for a second vote, why didn't the Liberal Democrats do very well in the General Election? It was one of their key election differences over Labour, who are, and will be, committed to some form of Brexit.
The Tories with their Brexit means Brexit lies picked up 13,636,684 votes, and the Liberals only 2,371,910? The Tories were only 4 million shy of the 17mil who voted to leave.
Hardly a resounding electoral endorsement of a re-run referendum. Polls as we have found out, are nonsense and politically skewed to favour newspapers views, such as the ones saying how everyone hated Corbyn and then he achieved a better Labour result than Blair vote share wise. It's just that between the Brexit vote backing May, and the SNP now holding Scotland that he didn't win.
Looking at the results of both the GE and Ref suggests that much won't change with a neverendum. If Leave lose a 2nd they'll just claim Brexit was sabotaged by the remain politicians, UKIP will pick up votes again putting pressure on the Tories, the Tories need their votes to win and will do something to get them on side and the thing will rumble on and on. |
Because they're the liberal party and as such, stand no chance of being in power. I've voted liberal a few times in elections and voted remain, but a vote for them would have been wasted at the last general election. Bring on PR for this reason. | |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:14 - Nov 28 with 2885 views | LeagueOne |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:09 - Nov 28 by SpruceMoose |
Why didn't the Liberal Democrats do well? Perhaps because of, rightly or wrongly, their perception as Tory enablers. [Post edited 28 Nov 2018 16:10]
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But surely if your key gripe was Brexit, you'd vote for the Party who is committed to stopping it? If you put the fact the Liberals joined in with the Conservatives in a coalition where the Liberals were actually able to help introduce some of their ideas such as the tax thresholds, Gay marriage and such into Government, over the Brexit issue, did you really want a 2nd referendum that much? | |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:17 - Nov 28 with 2880 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 15:38 - Nov 28 by BlueBadger |
I'm sure the Dear Leader will, as always be demonstrating clear, unambiguous and competent leadership on this. |
McDonnell is a better politician than Jezza. He sees which way the wind is blowing and is talking about a second referendum because he thinks it will gain Labour votes.
It's not going to happen anyway. May's deal will be voted down and the Cabinet will push for a Norway style deal which will get the support of the majority of the house. |  |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:18 - Nov 28 with 2874 views | LeagueOne |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:11 - Nov 28 by giant_stow |
Because they're the liberal party and as such, stand no chance of being in power. I've voted liberal a few times in elections and voted remain, but a vote for them would have been wasted at the last general election. Bring on PR for this reason. |
But isn't that a backward mentality, of course they will never be in power or have any influence if you do not vote for them. We'd have a better democracy if everyone voted for the Party who aligned most with their views rather than just backing someone else just stop the others winning - it's a problem we have in the country. We'd be much better of with a few more Liberals, UKIP, and Green around the table for debates such as the Brexit situation as an accurate reflection of the broader views of the people of this country rather than keep handing the keys to the red and the blue teams to constantly cause the eventual car crash they always do. [Post edited 28 Nov 2018 16:19]
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:19 - Nov 28 with 2868 views | SpruceMoose |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:14 - Nov 28 by LeagueOne |
But surely if your key gripe was Brexit, you'd vote for the Party who is committed to stopping it? If you put the fact the Liberals joined in with the Conservatives in a coalition where the Liberals were actually able to help introduce some of their ideas such as the tax thresholds, Gay marriage and such into Government, over the Brexit issue, did you really want a 2nd referendum that much? |
My key gripe is actually climate change, but none of the parties other than the Greens seem too interested in that, but a vote for them is pointless in the current system.
The Lib Dems were never going to be in a position to impact anything, so similarly, a vote for them was a waste of time under the current system. | |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:20 - Nov 28 with 2860 views | SpruceMoose |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:18 - Nov 28 by LeagueOne |
But isn't that a backward mentality, of course they will never be in power or have any influence if you do not vote for them. We'd have a better democracy if everyone voted for the Party who aligned most with their views rather than just backing someone else just stop the others winning - it's a problem we have in the country. We'd be much better of with a few more Liberals, UKIP, and Green around the table for debates such as the Brexit situation as an accurate reflection of the broader views of the people of this country rather than keep handing the keys to the red and the blue teams to constantly cause the eventual car crash they always do. [Post edited 28 Nov 2018 16:19]
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Mounting and presenting a serious argument for PR would be a more effective way of handing the LDs a modicum of power than actually voting for them. | |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:23 - Nov 28 with 2848 views | SpruceMoose |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:17 - Nov 28 by GlasgowBlue |
McDonnell is a better politician than Jezza. He sees which way the wind is blowing and is talking about a second referendum because he thinks it will gain Labour votes.
It's not going to happen anyway. May's deal will be voted down and the Cabinet will push for a Norway style deal which will get the support of the majority of the house. |
A Norway style deal complete with freedom of movement? That'll upset the Leavers. | |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:25 - Nov 28 with 2841 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:23 - Nov 28 by SpruceMoose |
A Norway style deal complete with freedom of movement? That'll upset the Leavers. |
That seems to be the way it's heading. | |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:26 - Nov 28 with 2834 views | SpruceMoose |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:25 - Nov 28 by GlasgowBlue |
That seems to be the way it's heading. |
I presume if that was to come to pass May would have to be offered up as the sacrificial lamb to try and appease many of the Leave voters? | |
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| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:29 - Nov 28 with 2822 views | LeagueOne |
| Are Labour coming round to a 2nd referendum? on 16:20 - Nov 28 by SpruceMoose |
Mounting and presenting a serious argument for PR would be a more effective way of handing the LDs a modicum of power than actually voting for them. |
My only issue with PR is the fact I like the idea I can vote for an MP and if I don't like them I can sack them at a GE, and one of the things I dislike about the EU Parliament is the fact the winners (MEP's) are picked by the political parties meaning in this region the Conservative Party has had more say over whos there to represent me, then I have as a voter.
and..... I really wish I could sack my Tory MP, who lives in London, never visits our area and recently made up that a number of arrests were made following a ram raid spree near us which were never made, and then tried to claim she was in the area when the raids happened but was found to be in London, where she lives.. she's amazingly been listed as a future PM as well, she has all the credentials I guess. | |
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