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So for all the fanfare about Lambert 07:35 - Nov 29 with 24768 views

Results so far have been, well, cr*p

Worse than under Hurst in fact ðŸ‘€

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 19:35 - Dec 8 with 4719 views

C_HealyIsAPleasure

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 19:29 - Dec 8 by DublinBlue84
Honest Question: How many games have you seen this season?

7. Didn’t watch today as in Bruges - apparently we played well first half but ultimately lost, that seems to be a familiar story

What has that got to do with anything though? This thread is about results - and results under Lambert have so far been dreadful

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 20:23 - Dec 8 with 4614 views

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 19:35 - Dec 8 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
7. Didn’t watch today as in Bruges - apparently we played well first half but ultimately lost, that seems to be a familiar story What has that got to do with anything though? This thread is about results - and results under Lambert have so far been dreadful

The results have been dreadful, but some of the performances have been half decent.

We at a point in the season where teams are into their stride, while we still haven't found ours. This isn't a few games into the season where other teams are still gelling or finding their feet.

Plus, we've played West Brom, Forest and Stoke in the last few games, who were all expected to be promotion contenders. We could have lost them all even with last season's squad.

But enough positivity, I still think we're as good as down.

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 20:32 - Dec 8 with 4592 views

Oxford_Blue

Yes.

But Hurst shat on his face whilst he was sleeping, stole all the money and fecked off and then you’re expecting PL to be able to clean the sheets by dawn?

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 21:04 - Dec 8 with 4549 views

C_HealyIsAPleasure

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 20:23 - Dec 8 by gt81

We’ve also played Preston, Reading and Bristol City

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 21:05 - Dec 8 with 4545 views

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 20:32 - Dec 8 by Oxford_Blue
Yes. But Hurst shat on his face whilst he was sleeping, stole all the money and fecked off and then you’re expecting PL to be able to clean the sheets by dawn?

I hoped that he might be able to at least do as well as our worst ever manager, if not better...

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 00:11 - Dec 9 with 4445 views

DublinBlue84

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 19:35 - Dec 8 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
7. Didn’t watch today as in Bruges - apparently we played well first half but ultimately lost, that seems to be a familiar story What has that got to do with anything though? This thread is about results - and results under Lambert have so far been dreadful

It just really shows that you haven't watched very many, because someone who has seen more games would come to a completely different conclusion.

I've seen 16 one way or another and the only fans I know who have come to the same conclusion as you haven't seen much more than half a dozen games.

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 00:38 - Dec 9 with 4429 views

C_HealyIsAPleasure

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 00:11 - Dec 9 by DublinBlue84
It just really shows that you haven't watched very many, because someone who has seen more games would come to a completely different conclusion. I've seen 16 one way or another and the only fans I know who have come to the same conclusion as you haven't seen much more than half a dozen games.

It’s a fact that results have so far been worse under Lambert though, not an opinion formed via watching games...

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 02:08 - Dec 9 with 4384 views

Minneapolis_ITFC

Always some humor to be found on these pages, at least if that's what you can define it as.

Are people really suggesting we're in worse care under Lambert than rather his predecessor ? Understand the former wasn't an appointment for everybody but in terms of dedication and interest he would appear far improved from the other.

All it needs is that elusive victory to arrive once more, become consistent with it, and the team will move away from the danger zone it's at and then be able to focus on next season. Bring in some worthwhile no-thrills names at the next available transfer opportunities and allow Lambert to focus on his job. I realize time has eroded many's patience the last 15 or so years, but you got to believe the new manager can get it right eventually. League One or otherwise, it's going to take time - again - to remedy.

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 02:35 - Dec 9 with 4368 views

BonchosBicycle

We'll obviously never know if Hurst could have made the squad he chose work. I don't dispute the team has looked brighter since Lambert took over, but only brighter than the squad under the last half dozen of Hurst's games. They also looked bright for the start of Hurst's tenure before the grind of a continual inability to win games put heads down.

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 03:05 - Dec 9 with 4359 views

Ryorry

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 15:33 - Nov 30 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
You said he doesn’t have the players - he has the same players as the previous manager Better performances are lovely but unless they translate into results they are ultimately meaningless - and currently results are worse than they were before

Jeez - have you never heard about preparation and laying the groundwork? Or "lies, damned lies and statistics"? Not to mention "football is a confidence game"?

If results were always nakedly and exactly down to chess movements by robots, you might have a point. As it is, these are human beings we're talking about, and the human species is known for doing better when they believe in themselves because they've received encouragement, and able to be freer, even have a degree of enjoyment in what they're doing, instead of impeded by fear of being castigated. I haven't been to any games under either PH or PL, but all the reports I see on these pages by many others who have been, say there's a positive difference in the way our players are playing and that the football's much better to watch. That says to me that the groundwork's being laid, and given maybe 2 or 3 additions in January, can be built on to get out of the desperate mire that Hurst created.


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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 08:48 - Dec 9 with 4241 views

Cheltenham_Blue

So what do you want to happen? Sack Lambert?

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Smooth Mash or Mash with Lumps?

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 08:55 - Dec 9 with 4231 views

Oxford_Blue

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 00:38 - Dec 9 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
It’s a fact that results have so far been worse under Lambert though, not an opinion formed via watching games...

Morale has collapsed becuase of Hurst.

So you’re not comparing like for like.

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 09:29 - Dec 9 with 4195 views

C_HealyIsAPleasure

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 08:55 - Dec 9 by Oxford_Blue
Morale has collapsed becuase of Hurst. So you’re not comparing like for like.

We had better results in the last 6 games of Hursts reign than we have in the first 6 games of Lamberts...

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 09:30 - Dec 9 with 4192 views

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 08:48 - Dec 9 by Cheltenham_Blue
So what do you want to happen? Sack Lambert?

No, that would be ridiculous

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 09:34 - Dec 9 with 4174 views

C_HealyIsAPleasure

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 03:05 - Dec 9 by Ryorry

Lambert was brought in to turn things around, to claim otherwise is just shifting the goalposts

So far he hasn’t - and if he doesn’t do so soon we’ll be even further adrift than we already are

Needless to say, next Saturday is huge

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 10:53 - Dec 9 with 4114 views

Ryorry

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 09:34 - Dec 9 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
Lambert was brought in to turn things around, to claim otherwise is just shifting the goalposts So far he hasn’t - and if he doesn’t do so soon we’ll be even further adrift than we already are Needless to say, next Saturday is huge

I haven't claimed otherwise, I said he's doing the groundwork & these things take time. He's not the fairy at the top of the tree waving a magic wand!


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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 10:56 - Dec 9 with 4109 views

Cheltenham_Blue

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 08:48 - Dec 9 by Cheltenham_Blue
So what do you want to happen? Sack Lambert?

But, if he's 'worse than Hurst', why not?

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 12:21 - Dec 9 with 4053 views

C_HealyIsAPleasure

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 10:56 - Dec 9 by Cheltenham_Blue
But, if he's 'worse than Hurst', why not?

No that would be ridiculous, he’s only had 6 games

His results so far have been worse than Hurst though, whichever way you spin it

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 12:46 - Dec 9 with 4029 views

sundaze

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 09:30 - Dec 9 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
No, that would be ridiculous

Much the same as this thread.

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 15:35 - Dec 9 with 3989 views

C_HealyIsAPleasure

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 12:46 - Dec 9 by sundaze
Much the same as this thread.

It’s posts like this that support the point I’m making

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 19:52 - Dec 9 with 3933 views

sundaze

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 15:35 - Dec 9 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
It’s posts like this that support the point I’m making

Except that you're not actually making a point, you are just stirring things up, knowing that Town supporters are at an all time low and you will get the bites you are looking for.

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 20:16 - Dec 9 with 3918 views

C_HealyIsAPleasure

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 19:52 - Dec 9 by sundaze
Except that you're not actually making a point, you are just stirring things up, knowing that Town supporters are at an all time low and you will get the bites you are looking for.

Not the case but up to you what you want to believe I guess

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 17:31 - Dec 15 with 3709 views

C_HealyIsAPleasure

So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 09:15 - Nov 29 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
It isn’t if you ignore actual facts like results Hurst: 0.64ppg, average position of opposition 11.57, 50% matches at home Lambert: 0.5ppg, average position of opposition 13.75, 75% matches at home So we’re getting less points per game against weaker opposition, despite playing more games at home as it stands

In the interest of consistency, delighted to say this is now up to 0.71ppg, so marginally better than Hurst

Here’s hoping we can build on this next week and get some momentum going

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 17:48 - Dec 15 with 3677 views

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 17:31 - Dec 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
In the interest of consistency, delighted to say this is now up to 0.71ppg, so marginally better than Hurst Here’s hoping we can build on this next week and get some momentum going

The thing is the original post was built on a false premise in that it assumed both had the squads they wanted.

To achieve a better PPG than Hurst with Hurst's players shows how poor he was.

Agree entirely that some momentum now would be great!

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 19:06 - Dec 15 with 3620 views

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So for all the fanfare about Lambert on 17:31 - Dec 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
In the interest of consistency, delighted to say this is now up to 0.71ppg, so marginally better than Hurst Here’s hoping we can build on this next week and get some momentum going

You are demonstrating yourself how ridiculous it is to use statistics based on small sample size to prove anything. Based on one win Lambert is now better than Hurst while previously he was worse.

How do you measure momentum statistically?
I do agree with your sentiments though. If the gap gets too big it is bad from a psychological perspective ( also difficult to quantify ).

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