| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 09:39 - Dec 4 with 5797 views | Swansea_Blue |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:03 - Dec 4 with 5764 views | Darth_Koont |
I'd like to see a politician or party stand for that now. It's the right thing to do for the country.
But obviously it'll first take a rejection of May's deal in Parliament and then it'll be a straight Remain vs. no-deal Brexit. If at that point there's no genuine appetite in the UK for stopping this sorry mess in its tracks then we deserve everything that's coming to us. |  |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:25 - Dec 4 with 5724 views | StokieBlue |
Interesting although it’s not clear on a few points.
For instance, it would seem that if we withdrew article 50 we would immediately go back to how things were without any say from the EU. That would mean we fall back on previous agreements and would continue to receive our rebate, use the pound and hold our veto.
Is that other people’s understanding?
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:26 - Dec 4 with 5725 views | Basuco |
A BBC reporter was saying two weeks ago that the brexit deal would be rejected by MP's, no confidence vote in the Government would also be rejected and then Labour would support another referendum. It looks to me like the mess is going to get a whole lot messier and we will after all stay in the EU. |  | | |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:28 - Dec 4 with 5719 views | Basuco |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:03 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
I'd like to see a politician or party stand for that now. It's the right thing to do for the country.
But obviously it'll first take a rejection of May's deal in Parliament and then it'll be a straight Remain vs. no-deal Brexit. If at that point there's no genuine appetite in the UK for stopping this sorry mess in its tracks then we deserve everything that's coming to us. |
At least another leave or remain vote would allow us to have some idea of the truth about what we are voting for! Unlike last time. | | | |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:36 - Dec 4 with 5701 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Doesn't seem like news. It's always been obvious that the EU would accept a backtracking by us. |  |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:38 - Dec 4 with 5694 views | Vic |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:25 - Dec 4 by StokieBlue |
Interesting although it’s not clear on a few points.
For instance, it would seem that if we withdrew article 50 we would immediately go back to how things were without any say from the EU. That would mean we fall back on previous agreements and would continue to receive our rebate, use the pound and hold our veto.
Is that other people’s understanding?
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That’s how it reads on the surface. But I bet it wouldn’t be that simple. Nothing ever is with the EU - which is why we should still get out if we can. |  |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:05 - Dec 4 with 5654 views | giant_stow |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:38 - Dec 4 by Vic |
That’s how it reads on the surface. But I bet it wouldn’t be that simple. Nothing ever is with the EU - which is why we should still get out if we can. |
obviously i'm a know-nothing prick on the internet, but isn't it logical to assume that if we can cancel article 50, we *must* fallback to the previous status quo. there'd be nothing to negotiate - we'd simply be in the EU on the same terms, no? |  |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:09 - Dec 4 with 5644 views | lowhouseblue |
if only a majority hadn't voted in favour of leaving. but they did. a legal ruling doesn't alter that. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:11 - Dec 4 with 5633 views | GlasgowBlue |
I suppose technically we could revoke article 50 today then invoke it again tomorrow giving us two years to prepare for an orderly no deal Brexit on WTO rules. |  |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:14 - Dec 4 with 5626 views | Ryorry |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:11 - Dec 4 by GlasgowBlue |
I suppose technically we could revoke article 50 today then invoke it again tomorrow giving us two years to prepare for an orderly no deal Brexit on WTO rules. |
Now there's an idea!
You should be a politician.
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:16 - Dec 4 with 5619 views | Ryorry |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:03 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
I'd like to see a politician or party stand for that now. It's the right thing to do for the country.
But obviously it'll first take a rejection of May's deal in Parliament and then it'll be a straight Remain vs. no-deal Brexit. If at that point there's no genuine appetite in the UK for stopping this sorry mess in its tracks then we deserve everything that's coming to us. |
I think it's very possible the vote would be narrowly "leave" again. | |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:22 - Dec 4 with 5599 views | giant_stow |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:11 - Dec 4 by GlasgowBlue |
I suppose technically we could revoke article 50 today then invoke it again tomorrow giving us two years to prepare for an orderly no deal Brexit on WTO rules. |
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Just the threat of that could even bring a better deal. | |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:23 - Dec 4 with 5597 views | giant_stow |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:09 - Dec 4 by lowhouseblue |
if only a majority hadn't voted in favour of leaving. but they did. a legal ruling doesn't alter that. |
No, but it allows us to change our minds. | |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:25 - Dec 4 with 5586 views | J2BLUE |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:03 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
I'd like to see a politician or party stand for that now. It's the right thing to do for the country.
But obviously it'll first take a rejection of May's deal in Parliament and then it'll be a straight Remain vs. no-deal Brexit. If at that point there's no genuine appetite in the UK for stopping this sorry mess in its tracks then we deserve everything that's coming to us. |
We will probably see major civil unrest if Brexit is stopped UNLESS it's via a second referendum. |  |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:38 - Dec 4 with 5563 views | Darth_Koont |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:25 - Dec 4 by J2BLUE |
We will probably see major civil unrest if Brexit is stopped UNLESS it's via a second referendum. |
We'll see major civil unrest and perhaps the break up of the Union if Brexit isn't stopped.
The risk in another referendum is too high: Many people are clearly still unswayed by the damning facts or they think that a vote to Leave will put an end to Brexit rather than actually being the start of the next decade of trade and treaty negotiations.
There's been a material change since the referendum (facts, evidence of electoral manipulation and lies, a lack of understanding in the government and the civil service, not to mention the real nature of our so-called "strong" negotiation position with the EU) that makes even the premise of the first referendum look dodgy. | |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:40 - Dec 4 with 5556 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:38 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
We'll see major civil unrest and perhaps the break up of the Union if Brexit isn't stopped.
The risk in another referendum is too high: Many people are clearly still unswayed by the damning facts or they think that a vote to Leave will put an end to Brexit rather than actually being the start of the next decade of trade and treaty negotiations.
There's been a material change since the referendum (facts, evidence of electoral manipulation and lies, a lack of understanding in the government and the civil service, not to mention the real nature of our so-called "strong" negotiation position with the EU) that makes even the premise of the first referendum look dodgy. |
I thought you wanted the break up of the Union? | |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:40 - Dec 4 with 5561 views | cobbler |
Surely that would be a betrayal of the British public,
The EU are continuing to try and force us to do things that doesn’t seem right. |  | | |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:52 - Dec 4 with 5533 views | lowhouseblue |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:23 - Dec 4 by giant_stow |
No, but it allows us to change our minds. |
but the truth is that very few people have actually changed their minds. the argument that 'we need to be allowed to change our minds' is usually put by remainers who have not changed their minds by a tiny fraction of a nanometer. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 12:06 - Dec 4 with 5506 views | giant_stow |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:52 - Dec 4 by lowhouseblue |
but the truth is that very few people have actually changed their minds. the argument that 'we need to be allowed to change our minds' is usually put by remainers who have not changed their minds by a tiny fraction of a nanometer. |
Is that true? I don't know... I thought the latest polls had shifted, but accept I could be wrong. What's only just becoming clear is the *actual* choice - as darth says if people still want out, so be it. | |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 12:10 - Dec 4 with 5496 views | lowhouseblue |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 12:06 - Dec 4 by giant_stow |
Is that true? I don't know... I thought the latest polls had shifted, but accept I could be wrong. What's only just becoming clear is the *actual* choice - as darth says if people still want out, so be it. |
it depends what question you ask. but on the basis of in or out the polls now look very much like those just before the referendum. we are split down the middle - there is no outcome that satisfies everyone, and once you get into exact and detailed proposals there is no outcome which isn't opposed by a majority | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 12:13 - Dec 4 with 5484 views | giant_stow |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 12:10 - Dec 4 by lowhouseblue |
it depends what question you ask. but on the basis of in or out the polls now look very much like those just before the referendum. we are split down the middle - there is no outcome that satisfies everyone, and once you get into exact and detailed proposals there is no outcome which isn't opposed by a majority |
'no outcome which isn't opposed by a majority'
gawd, what a mess. | |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 12:17 - Dec 4 with 5474 views | lowhouseblue |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 12:13 - Dec 4 by giant_stow |
'no outcome which isn't opposed by a majority'
gawd, what a mess. |
people have to compromise. i'm a remainer, but I no longer expect us to remain. a hard Brexit would be a disaster. you end up with something in between. zealots in the hard Brexit camp and the remain camp aren't offering any way forward. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 12:24 - Dec 4 with 5451 views | Hogger |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 10:36 - Dec 4 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Doesn't seem like news. It's always been obvious that the EU would accept a backtracking by us. |
The EU did not want this to be the case - they fought against it because it would mean countries can willy-nilly go for article 50 (for isntance as political leverage) and then withdraw |  | | |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 12:25 - Dec 4 with 5450 views | Darth_Koont |
| Looks like article 50 can be reversed unilaterally... on 11:40 - Dec 4 by cobbler |
Surely that would be a betrayal of the British public,
The EU are continuing to try and force us to do things that doesn’t seem right. |
Forcing us to deal with reality seems entirely right. | |
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