| I'm just going to leave this here... on 08:58 - Dec 12 with 2254 views | DanTheMan |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 08:49 - Dec 12 by jjblue84 |
It’s not a choice, the law is being threatened...one day it will sink in... |
So, just to get things straight, it's about the rights of hospitals to not serve vegan food that's at stake? |  |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 09:15 - Dec 12 with 2244 views | Herbivore |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 08:58 - Dec 12 by DanTheMan |
So, just to get things straight, it's about the rights of hospitals to not serve vegan food that's at stake? |
Where to even begin with that! |  |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 09:50 - Dec 12 with 2226 views | jjblue84 |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 08:58 - Dec 12 by DanTheMan |
So, just to get things straight, it's about the rights of hospitals to not serve vegan food that's at stake? |
It’s about the rights of non-vegans being affected by vegans.... either may be right or wrong! But they certainly clash, so don’t pretend they don’t.... |  | | |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 09:53 - Dec 12 with 2226 views | eireblue |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 09:50 - Dec 12 by jjblue84 |
It’s about the rights of non-vegans being affected by vegans.... either may be right or wrong! But they certainly clash, so don’t pretend they don’t.... |
I don’t know of a chef that has an ethical objection to cooking a vegetable. [Post edited 12 Dec 2018 9:54]
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 10:02 - Dec 12 with 2212 views | Herbivore |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 09:50 - Dec 12 by jjblue84 |
It’s about the rights of non-vegans being affected by vegans.... either may be right or wrong! But they certainly clash, so don’t pretend they don’t.... |
How do they clash? A hospital offering vegan food isn't an example by the way, a hospital isn't a rights-bearing individual. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 10:08 - Dec 12 with 2209 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 23:39 - Dec 11 by caught-in-limbo |
I don't agree with your use of the word "conspiracy", not because you have necessarily used it incorrectly, but because it is usually used incorrectly and has come to mean something else. I deliberately avoided the word but you have applied it to my comments.
I would say that my own diet is largely vegan. I certainly eat one vegan meal a day, sometimes two. I have no qualms about buying cow's milk however, which I buy raw from a local farmer. The meat I buy is also from small local farmers, I know what the animals eat and how they live (but not how they die).
I appreciate the enormous efforts that having a vegan lifestyle entails, and I only know the half of it, - the diet side.
The commitment towards a vegan existence is not taken lightly - it certainly doesn't bear the hallmarks of being a fad. While veganism isn't new, I suspect the number of vegans has risen exponentially in the last few years and that surprises me in view of the efforts required to live such a lifestyle. There is certainly a lot of vegan lifestyle promotion going on, especially in the UK, and it's true that promoting a vegan lifestyle goes against the interests of big business. So, I'm a little curious as to why the media is giving such a generous platform to veganism.
Print media is not high profit and is often loss making, For that reason the press generally looks after its sponsors (preferring not to promote stuff which is anathema to the interests of big business).
All profit-making businesses do what they can create the conditions where profits are maximised - influencing public opinion through the media is an obvious part of their marketing strategy - you don't have to see it as a conspiracy to accept that. |
I'm using the term conspiracy as in plotting or conspiring. I don't see why "big business" is more likely to conspire in favour of veganism when they can make plenty of money out of meat based products.
I think you're overthinking. Veganism is trendy right now. That's largely why it's in the media IMO. |  |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 11:12 - Dec 12 with 2190 views | monytowbray |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 08:49 - Dec 12 by jjblue84 |
It’s not a choice, the law is being threatened...one day it will sink in... |
Wha specific law is being threatened? |  |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 11:13 - Dec 12 with 2187 views | DanTheMan |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 09:50 - Dec 12 by jjblue84 |
It’s about the rights of non-vegans being affected by vegans.... either may be right or wrong! But they certainly clash, so don’t pretend they don’t.... |
Right you've reverted back to a different argument now, so I'll ask again, specifically which rights of non-vegans are affected by hospitals providing vegans meals? | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 11:26 - Dec 12 with 2179 views | caught-in-limbo |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 10:08 - Dec 12 by BrixtonBlue |
I'm using the term conspiracy as in plotting or conspiring. I don't see why "big business" is more likely to conspire in favour of veganism when they can make plenty of money out of meat based products.
I think you're overthinking. Veganism is trendy right now. That's largely why it's in the media IMO. |
You could well be right. Veganism being promoted in the press in this way, while being a worthwhile thing to do, makes no sense to me. Perhaps it's not big business that's doing it. Perhaps it's just a newspaper innocently reporting the rise in popularity of a healthy lifestyle. I have my doubts, but I could be over-thinking as you say. |  |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 11:52 - Dec 12 with 2166 views | Herbivore |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 11:26 - Dec 12 by caught-in-limbo |
You could well be right. Veganism being promoted in the press in this way, while being a worthwhile thing to do, makes no sense to me. Perhaps it's not big business that's doing it. Perhaps it's just a newspaper innocently reporting the rise in popularity of a healthy lifestyle. I have my doubts, but I could be over-thinking as you say. |
It's an irreverent column by a well-known comedian. It's arguable whether it is even promoting veganism, it seems more a meat eater's personal reflection on how the rise in veganism makes them feel. You're definitely over-thinking it. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 12:38 - Dec 12 with 2151 views | jjblue84 |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 10:02 - Dec 12 by Herbivore |
How do they clash? A hospital offering vegan food isn't an example by the way, a hospital isn't a rights-bearing individual. |
Where vegans are bringing the law to force other people who disagree with them to do as they say...got it yet?? | | | |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 12:41 - Dec 12 with 2147 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 12:38 - Dec 12 by jjblue84 |
Where vegans are bringing the law to force other people who disagree with them to do as they say...got it yet?? |
Where is this happening?! Please link to some evidence of a law that was brought about by vegans. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 12:43 - Dec 12 with 2146 views | monytowbray |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 12:38 - Dec 12 by jjblue84 |
Where vegans are bringing the law to force other people who disagree with them to do as they say...got it yet?? |
I'll ask again - what specific "law(s)" are you talking about? Who are they oppressing?
No vegans are bring in laws that deny anyone of any rights, we just want the basic fundamental human right to eat in places where this is no consumer choice (such as hospitals, prisons, schools, etc). Is there anything else to it than that in your odd view? [Post edited 12 Dec 2018 12:45]
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 13:16 - Dec 12 with 2126 views | tampa_bay |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 12:38 - Dec 12 by jjblue84 |
Where vegans are bringing the law to force other people who disagree with them to do as they say...got it yet?? |
Are you suggesting that hospitals, schools and prisons are being forced to ONLY provide vegan meals? That's the only possible way any of your comments make any sense. |  | | |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 17:08 - Dec 12 with 2091 views | Herbivore |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 12:38 - Dec 12 by jjblue84 |
Where vegans are bringing the law to force other people who disagree with them to do as they say...got it yet?? |
Obvious troll is obvious. Must try harder. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 17:20 - Dec 12 with 2089 views | caught-in-limbo |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 11:52 - Dec 12 by Herbivore |
It's an irreverent column by a well-known comedian. It's arguable whether it is even promoting veganism, it seems more a meat eater's personal reflection on how the rise in veganism makes them feel. You're definitely over-thinking it. |
Fair enough, but I'd say you're under-thinking it.
Mitchell is a bright lad and for him to begrudgingly admit "they might be right" in the Guardian is a huge boost for veganism.
Probably it's just the press doing their bit to keep yet another apparently divisive topic alive and well for a good stoking not far down the line. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 17:26 - Dec 12 with 2083 views | Herbivore |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 17:20 - Dec 12 by caught-in-limbo |
Fair enough, but I'd say you're under-thinking it.
Mitchell is a bright lad and for him to begrudgingly admit "they might be right" in the Guardian is a huge boost for veganism.
Probably it's just the press doing their bit to keep yet another apparently divisive topic alive and well for a good stoking not far down the line. |
Whatevs. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 20:21 - Dec 12 with 2059 views | jjblue84 |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 11:13 - Dec 12 by DanTheMan |
Right you've reverted back to a different argument now, so I'll ask again, specifically which rights of non-vegans are affected by hospitals providing vegans meals? |
Nope, that’s been my argument all along... | | | |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 20:49 - Dec 12 with 2043 views | eireblue |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 17:26 - Dec 12 by Herbivore |
Whatevs. |
Ohhhh, I don’t know.
A comedian, in the Guardian, not turning vegan and saying they like sausages, this could be the big break through.
No wonder the milk marketing board have engineered a leadership election today. | | | |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 20:59 - Dec 12 with 2033 views | Herbivore |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 20:49 - Dec 12 by eireblue |
Ohhhh, I don’t know.
A comedian, in the Guardian, not turning vegan and saying they like sausages, this could be the big break through.
No wonder the milk marketing board have engineered a leadership election today. |
Him saying he likes sausages is a blatant nod to the global corps behind lab grown meat. | |
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