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The worst British PM ? on 22:16 - Dec 11 with 5567 viewsnoggin

Thatcher. Next question.

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The worst British PM ? on 22:14 - Dec 11 by Oxford_Blue

No, you’re making a claim that he could have stopped WW2 but aren’t able to provide any evidence or refer me to the specific point when this happened.

Seems to me you don’t really know the facts.

You do realise that Chamberlain was part of a government full of appeasers?

Why don’t you criticise Ramsay MacDonald for not removing Hitler earlier in the 1930s?


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[Redacted] on 22:21 - Dec 11 with 5553 viewsvictorywilhappen

The worst British PM ? on 22:15 - Dec 11 by Oxford_Blue

Also I don’t agree Nazi Germany was the “worst” totalitarian regime.

Stalin killed far more people as did Mao.


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The worst British PM ? on 22:27 - Dec 11 with 5538 viewsFootballpete

The worst British PM ? on 22:04 - Dec 11 by Oxford_Blue

Any leader who sends soldiers to war does so with the risk they might die.

As for lies, where is the evidence he lied? As in, he made a claim he knew could not be true?

He was given intelligence about WMD by agencies.


Blair lied when he claimed that if Saddam disarmed then there would be no invasion. He's since admitted that were he to have known there were no WMD he would have sought other reasons as a pretext to invasion. He lied to the Commons, the country and the world.

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The worst British PM ? on 22:27 - Dec 11 with 5537 viewsOxford_Blue

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You said:

“Chamberlain made a decision and the rest is history. Had he he made another is open to only debate not fact.”

I just asked what decision you meant and when it happened.

I’m still waiting for an answer.
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The worst British PM ? on 22:33 - Dec 11 with 5534 viewsFootballpete

The worst British PM ? on 22:15 - Dec 11 by Oxford_Blue

Also I don’t agree Nazi Germany was the “worst” totalitarian regime.

Stalin killed far more people as did Mao.


I think what made the Nazis worse than Stalin and Mao was the systemic extermination of millions of people.

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[Redacted] on 22:38 - Dec 11 with 5524 viewsvictorywilhappen

The worst British PM ? on 22:27 - Dec 11 by Oxford_Blue

You said:

“Chamberlain made a decision and the rest is history. Had he he made another is open to only debate not fact.”

I just asked what decision you meant and when it happened.

I’m still waiting for an answer.


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The worst British PM ? on 22:45 - Dec 11 with 5512 viewsfactual_blue

The worst British PM ? on 22:01 - Dec 11 by Oxford_Blue

Yep. I’m asking what specific decision would have prevented the Second World War.


After the signing of the Treaty of Versailles, probably nothing.

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The worst British PM ? on 22:48 - Dec 11 with 5510 viewsfactual_blue

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Appeasement in the late 1930s was needed to give the UK time to start rearming. Standing up to Hitler in 1936 or 1938 would have all but guaranteed defeat.

Of course, 'we' didn't defeat Hitler; the USA and the USSR effectively did that.

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The worst British PM ? on 23:02 - Dec 11 with 5500 viewsMelford

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What else could he do? We couldn't have sent an army over there, in the situation he did the best he could. It's not Chamberlain could have walked in to Munich in 38 and said to Hitler to stop his expansionism, we were no threat to him. Hitler and Stalin were allies then courtesy of Molotov/Ribbentrop pact had already started carving up Poland in secret by then and the USA were years away from being interested. When Hitler broke the Munich pact Chamberlain declared war. The so called 'appeaser' started the war when Germany went too far and invaded Poland.

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The worst British PM ? on 23:50 - Dec 11 with 5485 viewsGuthrum

I always feel rather sorry for Ramsay MacDonald, who (in his second period as PM) ended up as little more than a figurehead after losing his own party.

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The worst British PM ? on 00:51 - Dec 12 with 5463 viewsBlueBadger

The worst British PM ? on 22:15 - Dec 11 by Oxford_Blue

Also I don’t agree Nazi Germany was the “worst” totalitarian regime.

Stalin killed far more people as did Mao.


Isn't this rather getting into 'Keane, Jewell or Hurst' territory, at this point?

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The worst British PM ? on 01:39 - Dec 12 with 5455 viewswkj

The worst British PM ? on 00:51 - Dec 12 by BlueBadger

Isn't this rather getting into 'Keane, Jewell or Hurst' territory, at this point?


"The nazis werent THAT bad"

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The worst British PM ? on 02:14 - Dec 12 with 5444 viewsBlueBadger

The worst British PM ? on 01:39 - Dec 12 by wkj

"The nazis werent THAT bad"


Let's face it, Hitler never thought that paying £2.5M for Lee Martin was a good idea.

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The worst British PM ? on 05:57 - Dec 12 with 5420 viewsCurrie10

Blair

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The worst British PM ? on 07:23 - Dec 12 with 5392 viewsOxford_Blue

The worst British PM ? on 22:33 - Dec 11 by Footballpete

I think what made the Nazis worse than Stalin and Mao was the systemic extermination of millions of people.


I think you need to get back to your history books.

Stalin was responsible for approximately 20 million deaths. Millions of people were starved to death deliberately or liquidated.

In China in the 1930s, it is estimated that over 30 million were killed.

It is not true that the nazis killed the most people.
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The worst British PM ? on 08:05 - Dec 12 with 5378 viewsfactual_blue

The worst British PM ? on 21:38 - Dec 11 by Oxford_Blue

Ever?

Why is Neville Chamberlain deserving of this?

Lord North lost the American colonies.

Ramsay MacDonald abandoned his party to form a national government and allowed Hitler to rise unchallenged in the same way that Chamberlain did but at a time when Hitler could have been stopped more easily.

Eden - Suez!

Callaghan - the entire country ground to a halt.

Brown - presided over a financial disaster.

I think your criticism of Neville is glib and in fact you don’t give any reasons.


I think it was AJP Taylor who said of Neville Chamberlain 'as Prime Minister he was an excellent Mayor of Birmingham'.

Don't forget he was of the generation who fought WW1, and was - like his contemporaries - desperate to avoid further slaughter.

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The worst British PM ? on 08:09 - Dec 12 with 5371 viewsDanTheMan

The worst British PM ? on 07:23 - Dec 12 by Oxford_Blue

I think you need to get back to your history books.

Stalin was responsible for approximately 20 million deaths. Millions of people were starved to death deliberately or liquidated.

In China in the 1930s, it is estimated that over 30 million were killed.

It is not true that the nazis killed the most people.


The Genocide Olypmics, always a fun game to play.

Hint: arguing about who killed more people is pointless.

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The worst British PM ? on 11:51 - Dec 12 with 5340 viewsSouperJim

The worst British PM ? on 08:09 - Dec 12 by DanTheMan

The Genocide Olypmics, always a fun game to play.

Hint: arguing about who killed more people is pointless.


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The worst British PM ? on 15:11 - Dec 12 with 5313 viewsRadlett_blue

The worst British PM ? on 22:15 - Dec 11 by Oxford_Blue

Also I don’t agree Nazi Germany was the “worst” totalitarian regime.

Stalin killed far more people as did Mao.


Pol Pot wasn't great either.
However, Hitler's Nazis systematically targeted and murdered Jews for the simple reason that they were Jewish. That seems rather more abhorrent than the economic incompetence of Mao Tse Tung's regime.

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The worst British PM ? on 15:40 - Dec 12 with 5299 viewsbahri

The worst British PM ? on 05:57 - Dec 12 by Currie10

Blair

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The worst British PM ? on 15:45 - Dec 12 with 5295 viewsNo9

The worst British PM ? on 21:10 - Dec 11 by Swansea_Blue

I think you need to distinguish between worse (hapless, inept) and worse (most destructive, damaging).

I’d put Thatcher in the last bracket, despite being one of the best in the first category.


Thatcher did considerable damage to the UK economy much of which remains today and is a reason why leaving the EU is going to be painful, particularly for the less well off.
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The worst British PM ? on 15:55 - Dec 12 with 5286 viewsOxford_Blue

The worst British PM ? on 15:11 - Dec 12 by Radlett_blue

Pol Pot wasn't great either.
However, Hitler's Nazis systematically targeted and murdered Jews for the simple reason that they were Jewish. That seems rather more abhorrent than the economic incompetence of Mao Tse Tung's regime.


Stalin has murdered millions of people who were small landowner or Ukrainian

Not much difference. The end result is the same.
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The worst British PM ? on 16:06 - Dec 12 with 5282 viewsKropotkin123

The worst British PM ? on 21:38 - Dec 11 by Oxford_Blue

Ever?

Why is Neville Chamberlain deserving of this?

Lord North lost the American colonies.

Ramsay MacDonald abandoned his party to form a national government and allowed Hitler to rise unchallenged in the same way that Chamberlain did but at a time when Hitler could have been stopped more easily.

Eden - Suez!

Callaghan - the entire country ground to a halt.

Brown - presided over a financial disaster.

I think your criticism of Neville is glib and in fact you don’t give any reasons.


Brown? Really? Not much he could do about a global recession. And what he did prior to that (not joining the single currency) kept us out of the Greek mess, giving the government much more flexibility in how to deal with it. Whether or not the subsequent governments used that to the best of their ability is another matter.

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[Redacted] on 16:40 - Dec 12 with 5267 viewsvictorywilhappen

The worst British PM ? on 22:48 - Dec 11 by factual_blue

Appeasement in the late 1930s was needed to give the UK time to start rearming. Standing up to Hitler in 1936 or 1938 would have all but guaranteed defeat.

Of course, 'we' didn't defeat Hitler; the USA and the USSR effectively did that.


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