| How long would it take to set up a new political party? 08:11 - Dec 12 with 5000 views | Bluefish |
We cannot have 5 years of Corbyn and Mcdonnell, there will be nothing left. |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 08:15 - Dec 12 with 3779 views | itfcjoe |
Rather that than a No Deal Brexit or May's deal - at least they can be voted out if they do screw it. |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 08:52 - Dec 12 with 3732 views | Vic |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 08:15 - Dec 12 by itfcjoe |
Rather that than a No Deal Brexit or May's deal - at least they can be voted out if they do screw it. |
What about her deal with the Irish border/ backstop sorted out? |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 08:54 - Dec 12 with 3726 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Equally we can't have 4 years of Gove, Johnson or Rees-Mogg |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 08:57 - Dec 12 with 3702 views | caught-in-limbo |
Hey, we could do what the French did.
Fillón was the centre-right candidate who was set to walk the election. Someone uncovered a "scandal" involving his wife which cost the French tax payer €1m over a period of 10 years, about a decade previously. While it was a clear abuse of power, the story was blown out of proportion and it ended Fillon's hope of governing France. Step in Manu Macron, the squeaky clean, smooth talking Rothschild banker. No real political history to speak of apart from selling off French airports, he goes head to head with Marine Le Pen, devil incarnate.
How to get a pro austerity banker to rule over you: create political chaos, insert technocrat/ banking puppet of choice, discredit all remaining options, have election.
The French electorate were played like fiddles and all hope of a better leadership was soon lost.
Sounds familiar? |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 08:58 - Dec 12 with 3698 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Something along the lines of Macron's you mean......what have those bankers done....the brightest and the best! |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 09:09 - Dec 12 with 3684 views | Darth_Koont |
I think we can't have another 5 years of a right-wing or even "centre for the UK" government. We need to drag ourselves into the 21st Century and address a few of the imbalances in our society.
Not saying Corbyn per se is the answer but we are where we are partly because Labour under Blair sold their souls to get elected. Would be nice if the old guard and the new guard could get their act together to provide a genuine social democratic opposition and balance to our politics. |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 09:11 - Dec 12 with 3676 views | homer_123 |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 09:09 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
I think we can't have another 5 years of a right-wing or even "centre for the UK" government. We need to drag ourselves into the 21st Century and address a few of the imbalances in our society.
Not saying Corbyn per se is the answer but we are where we are partly because Labour under Blair sold their souls to get elected. Would be nice if the old guard and the new guard could get their act together to provide a genuine social democratic opposition and balance to our politics. |
It would DK but that appears a very long way off. |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 09:32 - Dec 12 with 3644 views | Guthrum |
Theoretically not long. Basically all that's needed is a declaration of policy positions, enough support to get noticed and away you go.
Getting into Parliament (and thus actually being able to achieve things) is a lot trickier, as UKIP found. A General Election would be ideal, as (if you can afford it) a large number of candidates can be fielded at once. Otherwise you have to try picking off one or two via by-elections.
There is one way of short-circuiting that process - if you can attract defectors to your new party from among existing MPs (a la Carswell to UKIP).
Whichever route, you are battling against strongly established tribalism in British politics. After 80 years of pretty much the current structure, people have deeply ingrained (and often quite fierce) loyalties to a particular party, which may have been the party of their parents and grandparents also. It depends less upon policy or personality than tradition. They find it a serious, angst-inducing wrench to vote any other way.
So if your policy position doesn't amount to much more than "We can do the same things, but more competently!", you'd better have a highly charismatic leader (like Macron) and/or some serious experience and expertise behind you. Also be absolutely on the ball, verbally nimble and squeaky clean, because otherwise the media will rip you to shreds in an instant (Trump only survives because he's backed by a popular alternative media network and is bull-headed enough to just plough through). You need to have an incredibly tough skin and the ability not to react when grossly insulted or repeatedly interrupted by idiot interviewers.
Considerable financial backing also helps. Election deposits are expensive, then there's staff costs, advertising and a host of other things which need money. Also competent legal advice, so as not to get tangled up in electoral funding issues and, as a sub-section of that, constitutional expertise to ensure that any policies you are proposing are actually viable (e.g. to enact one law, you may need to repeal others, which may have further consequences, or require extra work tying up loose ends). [Post edited 12 Dec 2018 9:40]
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 09:34 - Dec 12 with 3634 views | Darth_Koont |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 09:11 - Dec 12 by homer_123 |
It would DK but that appears a very long way off. |
Well, they'll have to do something. For all the legitimate question marks over Corbyn's ability to lead, the PLP are pointless careerists who show some of the worst sides of the modern British politician living in a bubble. Their credibility is as shot as the mainstream Conservatives.
Would be nice for them to actually have an approach and vision for the future that wasn't Tory Lite and just trying to pick up middle-class votes in key marginals. | |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 09:36 - Dec 12 with 3627 views | stig4532 |
Like the SDP, any new political party with the right leader and policies can attract defecting MPs very quickly. I doubt that there will be a new party but if I'm wrong, they would have trouble getting Tory MPs to defect as they prop up this zombie Government and are the only thing stopping Corbyn as PM.
It's definitely time for a general election in 2019.
UKIP finished, Tories hanging by an electoral thread and Labour not even close to having a chance of a parlimentary majority at the next election. |  | | |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:18 - Dec 12 with 3562 views | Swansea_Blue |
Meanwhile Vince Cable is still trying to find his slippers.
So disappointed with the Lib Dems. I'd have thought the slightly centre ground is ripe for the picking if only they could be bothered. |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:21 - Dec 12 with 3549 views | itfcjoe |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:18 - Dec 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Meanwhile Vince Cable is still trying to find his slippers.
So disappointed with the Lib Dems. I'd have thought the slightly centre ground is ripe for the picking if only they could be bothered. |
A lot goes back to Tim Farron's disastrous GE campaign - where he couldn't give a view on Gay rights without tying himself in knots | |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:32 - Dec 12 with 3527 views | clive_baker |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:21 - Dec 12 by itfcjoe |
A lot goes back to Tim Farron's disastrous GE campaign - where he couldn't give a view on Gay rights without tying himself in knots |
Think it goes back further than that, it goes back to Nick Clegg backtracking on just about everything he stood for while in coalition. If only he had a pair of balls he could've been PM now. |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:35 - Dec 12 with 3520 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:32 - Dec 12 by clive_baker |
Think it goes back further than that, it goes back to Nick Clegg backtracking on just about everything he stood for while in coalition. If only he had a pair of balls he could've been PM now. |
Yep, both of those points were big nails in the coffin for them. They've pretty much disappeared now. I also wonder why the greens are seen as completely unacceptable in the country when in other EU states they can get some pretty good support. | |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:36 - Dec 12 with 3520 views | IpswichKnight |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 09:36 - Dec 12 by stig4532 |
Like the SDP, any new political party with the right leader and policies can attract defecting MPs very quickly. I doubt that there will be a new party but if I'm wrong, they would have trouble getting Tory MPs to defect as they prop up this zombie Government and are the only thing stopping Corbyn as PM.
It's definitely time for a general election in 2019.
UKIP finished, Tories hanging by an electoral thread and Labour not even close to having a chance of a parlimentary majority at the next election. |
I believe that if a sitting MP now defects to a new party it triggers a by-election. |  | | |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:36 - Dec 12 with 3521 views | clive_baker |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 09:32 - Dec 12 by Guthrum |
Theoretically not long. Basically all that's needed is a declaration of policy positions, enough support to get noticed and away you go.
Getting into Parliament (and thus actually being able to achieve things) is a lot trickier, as UKIP found. A General Election would be ideal, as (if you can afford it) a large number of candidates can be fielded at once. Otherwise you have to try picking off one or two via by-elections.
There is one way of short-circuiting that process - if you can attract defectors to your new party from among existing MPs (a la Carswell to UKIP).
Whichever route, you are battling against strongly established tribalism in British politics. After 80 years of pretty much the current structure, people have deeply ingrained (and often quite fierce) loyalties to a particular party, which may have been the party of their parents and grandparents also. It depends less upon policy or personality than tradition. They find it a serious, angst-inducing wrench to vote any other way.
So if your policy position doesn't amount to much more than "We can do the same things, but more competently!", you'd better have a highly charismatic leader (like Macron) and/or some serious experience and expertise behind you. Also be absolutely on the ball, verbally nimble and squeaky clean, because otherwise the media will rip you to shreds in an instant (Trump only survives because he's backed by a popular alternative media network and is bull-headed enough to just plough through). You need to have an incredibly tough skin and the ability not to react when grossly insulted or repeatedly interrupted by idiot interviewers.
Considerable financial backing also helps. Election deposits are expensive, then there's staff costs, advertising and a host of other things which need money. Also competent legal advice, so as not to get tangled up in electoral funding issues and, as a sub-section of that, constitutional expertise to ensure that any policies you are proposing are actually viable (e.g. to enact one law, you may need to repeal others, which may have further consequences, or require extra work tying up loose ends). [Post edited 12 Dec 2018 9:40]
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Good post.
I've always found the blind loyalty to a particular party absurd in the context of politics, it's so prohibitive to change. It's not like a football team ffs, if you don't like what a party is standing for, vote for one you do. | |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:38 - Dec 12 with 3508 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:36 - Dec 12 by clive_baker |
Good post.
I've always found the blind loyalty to a particular party absurd in the context of politics, it's so prohibitive to change. It's not like a football team ffs, if you don't like what a party is standing for, vote for one you do. |
He always does that. Good flipping post. Pah, getting fed up of it! Why can't he just post rubbish like the rest of us eh?
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:44 - Dec 12 with 3494 views | BrixtonBlue |
What do you base that assertion on? Corbyn hasn't done anything yet - hasn't had a chance to. People are running scared simply because it's the unknown.
Give him a chance I say. Can't do any worse than the current lot. |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:58 - Dec 12 with 3466 views | itfcjoe |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:32 - Dec 12 by clive_baker |
Think it goes back further than that, it goes back to Nick Clegg backtracking on just about everything he stood for while in coalition. If only he had a pair of balls he could've been PM now. |
I think that is a bit unfair personally - but agree that is what has costed them.
They were very much a junior partner, but think the bast 3 years have shown they were certainly keep the Tories in check when part of the coalition and got some bits through - most notably the £10k income tax threshold.
But they have been able to be framed by both Labour and Tory as the bad guys on things and now are seen as a joke.
We'd be in a lot better position had there been another coalition - would never have been a referendum for a start | |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 12:15 - Dec 12 with 3425 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 11:44 - Dec 12 by BrixtonBlue |
What do you base that assertion on? Corbyn hasn't done anything yet - hasn't had a chance to. People are running scared simply because it's the unknown.
Give him a chance I say. Can't do any worse than the current lot. |
Keep up Dolly. He's a terrorist, anti-semite, who doesn't wear Saville Row suits, wears the WRONG COLOURED TIE for God's sake, won't sing the national anthem, doesn't support the England football team, rides a funny bike and was a big friend of Bin Laden. | |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 12:31 - Dec 12 with 3407 views | Ryorry |
About a year (?) ago, I proposed setting up a new one via a post on here. It was generally quite well received, but when it came to people actually doing anything in practical terms, only one person stepped up! |  |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 13:02 - Dec 12 with 3367 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 12:15 - Dec 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Keep up Dolly. He's a terrorist, anti-semite, who doesn't wear Saville Row suits, wears the WRONG COLOURED TIE for God's sake, won't sing the national anthem, doesn't support the England football team, rides a funny bike and was a big friend of Bin Laden. |
You forgot "spy who wilfully photocopies the from page of the News Of The World". I doubt Boris even knows how to use a photocopier. | |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 13:04 - Dec 12 with 3350 views | No9 |
& are you suggesting a warring tory party would be better? | | | |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 13:04 - Dec 12 with 3351 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 12:31 - Dec 12 by Ryorry |
About a year (?) ago, I proposed setting up a new one via a post on here. It was generally quite well received, but when it came to people actually doing anything in practical terms, only one person stepped up! |
All mouth and no trousers some of this lot on here. | |
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| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 13:33 - Dec 12 with 3315 views | Guthrum |
| How long would it take to set up a new political party? on 12:31 - Dec 12 by Ryorry |
About a year (?) ago, I proposed setting up a new one via a post on here. It was generally quite well received, but when it came to people actually doing anything in practical terms, only one person stepped up! |
Write an outline position document and we can begin working on ideas and detail. Once there are some concrete policies, we can start considering leadership and funding. | |
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