Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. 19:05 - Jan 2 with 5636 views | RickOShea | We have played our part with our money through season tickets,etc. This has not been matched by our owner. Forget the bull about him paying £6m or more each year, this is absorbed by his very successful portfolio. He has no desire to run our club as a football fan only that of a greedy businessman and we have to accept that part as he owns our club. This all came about by Sheepshanks vested interest in his position regarding the F.A. and we were sold out. How do we protest, do we cut off the money supply chain by staying away or do we feed a bottomless pit, this is the dilemma we face. I want my team to do well and be successful but this will not happen under Evans regime. We need him out. Maybe Sheepshanks has the answer. | | | | |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 20:28 - Jan 2 with 1478 views | BloomBlue | Why don't you buy the club? | | | |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 20:32 - Jan 2 with 1475 views | MrTown |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 20:28 - Jan 2 by SpruceMoose | You could offer to take care of the transfer fees and Evans could just buy a season ticket? I reckon he'd rip your arm off right now! |
But I don't understand, its all about relevance. With no fans there is no club, not 100% sure Evans' realises that. And I'm talking about the real fans, the ones who pay their money and go home and away, not sit behind a keyboard going the odd game now and again. | |
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Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 20:33 - Jan 2 with 1469 views | SpruceMoose |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 20:32 - Jan 2 by MrTown | But I don't understand, its all about relevance. With no fans there is no club, not 100% sure Evans' realises that. And I'm talking about the real fans, the ones who pay their money and go home and away, not sit behind a keyboard going the odd game now and again. |
With no owner there is no club, not 100% sure some fans realise that. Look, everyone wants Evans out and a new mega rich, incredibly engaged owner in. But all this crap about Evans getting rich off the back of running us into the ground is just moronic. [Post edited 2 Jan 2019 20:35]
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Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 20:46 - Jan 2 with 1441 views | agentp |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 19:39 - Jan 2 by SpruceMoose | I'm still waiting for you to actually make a salient point. I'd even settle for an understandable point at this juncture. |
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Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 20:52 - Jan 2 with 1430 views | MrTown |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 20:33 - Jan 2 by SpruceMoose | With no owner there is no club, not 100% sure some fans realise that. Look, everyone wants Evans out and a new mega rich, incredibly engaged owner in. But all this crap about Evans getting rich off the back of running us into the ground is just moronic. [Post edited 2 Jan 2019 20:35]
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Where did I say he is getting rich. The P&L clearly shows a loss, nobody can argue with that. Whether he can offset his losses against his tax bill come the end of the financial year only his accountants will know. But no one can argue he has doubled his net worth in just over 10 years, he has the 6th highest net worth in the whole of the EFL, he is worth over £300 million more than Derby owner Mel Morris and 4x the net worth of Middlesborough owner Steve Gibson. Yet were sinking in relegation, them two on clambering around the top 6 and have been for a while, and yet were still crimping and saving off free and loans. | |
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Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 20:59 - Jan 2 with 1420 views | jeera |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 19:36 - Jan 2 by RickOShea | You are correct, I have put in £400, Evans companies have funded his. |
That counters your argument surely. His money funds his contribution, and yours fund yours. This is a bit weird, "or do we feed a bottomless pit, this is the dilemma we face". Again, surely that's what he [his companies] are also doing on a far larger scale. | |
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Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 22:12 - Jan 2 with 1363 views | agentp |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 20:52 - Jan 2 by MrTown | Where did I say he is getting rich. The P&L clearly shows a loss, nobody can argue with that. Whether he can offset his losses against his tax bill come the end of the financial year only his accountants will know. But no one can argue he has doubled his net worth in just over 10 years, he has the 6th highest net worth in the whole of the EFL, he is worth over £300 million more than Derby owner Mel Morris and 4x the net worth of Middlesborough owner Steve Gibson. Yet were sinking in relegation, them two on clambering around the top 6 and have been for a while, and yet were still crimping and saving off free and loans. |
You realise that mel Morris has sold most of his business empire and has lquid cash to to burn allowing Derby to become his new empire/plaything. His takeover of a club with losses reflective of ours with a much longer turnover was also quite different. Nice simplistic view of the world though. [Post edited 2 Jan 2019 22:14]
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Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 22:16 - Jan 2 with 1357 views | MrTown |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 22:12 - Jan 2 by agentp | You realise that mel Morris has sold most of his business empire and has lquid cash to to burn allowing Derby to become his new empire/plaything. His takeover of a club with losses reflective of ours with a much longer turnover was also quite different. Nice simplistic view of the world though. [Post edited 2 Jan 2019 22:14]
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And Boro (Steve Gibson)...? So you a realistically trying to tell me that ME can’t afford another £5m a year on transfer fees. If he had sustained that throughout the MM era, MM probably would have us in the play-offs year after year. | |
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Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 22:39 - Jan 2 with 1327 views | agentp |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 22:16 - Jan 2 by MrTown | And Boro (Steve Gibson)...? So you a realistically trying to tell me that ME can’t afford another £5m a year on transfer fees. If he had sustained that throughout the MM era, MM probably would have us in the play-offs year after year. |
1) I actually know quite a bit about Mel Morris. I Don't - TBH, know much about Steve Gibson so won't comment on him it would be unproffessional. 2) I have no idea what ME's liquid wealth is so I don't know. 3) An extra £5m would have seen us in the playoffs year after year? Do you honestly think that? We would have still been one of the lowest spenders in the league and consider on last years loss of £8m that would have put us on the FFP limit [simplified. I accept it is an average of three years] Please consider also that the accounts are a calculated book figure. The running of the club is a financial prediction. No one; however good can get those figures right. We will either fall below it or break it and can you imagine the meltdown of Evans mismanagement if we were placed under a transfer embargo. 4) Has Evans been the perfect owner? No, of course not. The year we were pushing for promotion stands out as a year he could have done more, but hey the world is easy in hindsight. It is though, wrong to make factless assuptions or compare him to an owner who is able to operate differently to the way he can. [Post edited 2 Jan 2019 23:13]
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Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 10:50 - Jan 3 with 1232 views | blueconscience |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 19:32 - Jan 2 by tractorboy1978 | You put in £400 for a season ticket and he puts in £6m. |
ALL CHAMPIONSHIP CHAIRMEN HAVE RUNNING COSTS TO PAY, SOME MORE THAN EVANS!!!! Others just choose to invest further into improving their clubs. But if he is happy to continue to pay millions of running costs a year into a failing project then good for him, just a shame for the fans. You would think no other club have to pay those running costs with the way it is constantly used as a reason. [Post edited 3 Jan 2019 11:18]
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Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 11:04 - Jan 3 with 1224 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 22:16 - Jan 2 by MrTown | And Boro (Steve Gibson)...? So you a realistically trying to tell me that ME can’t afford another £5m a year on transfer fees. If he had sustained that throughout the MM era, MM probably would have us in the play-offs year after year. |
Nobody is debating his worth - he could afford it if he wanted. But the club already loses £108 for every £100 spent - why increase this? We've been relatively competitive how we were until Hurst ripped us apart. It's not just £5m on transfer fees either. It's the wages, the agents fees, the bonuses etc, would raise that figure much higher and we simply do not have enough income to support it. | |
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Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 16:59 - Jan 3 with 1188 views | Nuggets |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 20:28 - Jan 2 by Oxford_Blue | “Forget the bull about him paying £6m or more each year, this is absorbed by his very successful portfolio” Please do explain. I bet you can’t. |
I'm pretty sure that 'absorbed by his very successful portfolio' line is incorrect, but Evans does not put £6m a year into this club. If you took Evans' ten year tenure and did an aggregation of his investment, it would average just below £6m. But that's inaccurate when saying how much he puts into the club in recent years. Because while he put in a lot during those early years when he bankrolled Roy Keane and the early half of Jewell's tenure, he has significantly cut back on investment in this club over recent years. According to the audited accounts and the last financial year in 2017, he invested £400k into the club. This is supported by independent findings from Swiss Ramble, a qualified accountant with more expertise than a vast majority of us on here. The unfortunate, hard-hitting truth for some posters here is that Evans has lost interest in the club. He has made a profit on every transfer window since the early Jewell years, yet he hides behind FFP while significantly scaling back his investment. The subsequent decline and likely relegation to the third tier is primarily his fault. Our decade long stagnation, and the sole, failed play off campaign is all we have to show for his tenure. He is responsible for three botched managerial appointments (two of whom arguably the worst managers in our history), and potentially a fourth if we meekly drop out of this division. How people can back Evans to the hilt or make excuses for his failings during his time here is beyond me. Utterly beyond me. As the saying from Harry goes, bad owners relegate clubs in this division. The sooner he leaves us, the better for this battered, rotting club. | |
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Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 18:34 - Jan 3 with 1151 views | tractorboy1978 |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 10:50 - Jan 3 by blueconscience | ALL CHAMPIONSHIP CHAIRMEN HAVE RUNNING COSTS TO PAY, SOME MORE THAN EVANS!!!! Others just choose to invest further into improving their clubs. But if he is happy to continue to pay millions of running costs a year into a failing project then good for him, just a shame for the fans. You would think no other club have to pay those running costs with the way it is constantly used as a reason. [Post edited 3 Jan 2019 11:18]
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Where have I said anything about running costs? I was challenging the OP saying he does his bit and Evans doesn't. I imagine he puts in a higher % of his total wealth/assets than the OP does. | | | |
Where is the transfer kitty from Evans. on 18:36 - Jan 3 with 1147 views | LeagueOne | I still laugh at that 10million war chest nonsense - thats about one above average player in 2019 and Evans isn't even going to spend that much on anyone - selling, yes, buying, no way. | |
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