| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 07:29 - Jan 10 with 3744 views | BloomBlue |
What would have helped is if they had given more petrol engine options. They made the terrible decision to only offer diesel engines on some of their models which meant customers went to other manufacturers who offered petrol. They have changed that now but the damage was already done. |  | |  |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 07:36 - Jan 10 with 3724 views | Bluefish |
The situation is vkeqr the government pull the plug now on this farcical mess and risk riots and abuse forever or we bankrupt ourselves as a nation. Everything that we manufacturer will be relocated abroad and eveything that we import will be significantly more expensive. People talk about 5th biggest economy but we won't be when the business have all moved out. We won't be top 15 at this rate.
If it really wasn't about racism and it was supposed to be about money surely it is time for common sense to intervene?
*If you relate to yaxley-lennon etc. There is no point responding |  |
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| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 08:05 - Jan 10 with 3677 views | brazil1982 |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 07:36 - Jan 10 by Bluefish |
The situation is vkeqr the government pull the plug now on this farcical mess and risk riots and abuse forever or we bankrupt ourselves as a nation. Everything that we manufacturer will be relocated abroad and eveything that we import will be significantly more expensive. People talk about 5th biggest economy but we won't be when the business have all moved out. We won't be top 15 at this rate.
If it really wasn't about racism and it was supposed to be about money surely it is time for common sense to intervene?
*If you relate to yaxley-lennon etc. There is no point responding |
Mainly due to the huge losses of sales to China but yeah it's the fault of Brexit and all those nasty racists who voted to leave. |  | | |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 08:36 - Jan 10 with 3642 views | Kievthegreat |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 07:29 - Jan 10 by BloomBlue |
What would have helped is if they had given more petrol engine options. They made the terrible decision to only offer diesel engines on some of their models which meant customers went to other manufacturers who offered petrol. They have changed that now but the damage was already done. |
Which models were they that didn't offer petrol options? |  | | |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 08:40 - Jan 10 with 3633 views | Bluefish |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 08:05 - Jan 10 by brazil1982 |
Mainly due to the huge losses of sales to China but yeah it's the fault of Brexit and all those nasty racists who voted to leave. |
No one said these losses were due to brexit but lots of his was will be moving operations abroad to deal with this sort of thing. It will be too expensive and slow to face the challenges here | |
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| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 08:47 - Jan 10 with 3610 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 07:29 - Jan 10 by BloomBlue |
What would have helped is if they had given more petrol engine options. They made the terrible decision to only offer diesel engines on some of their models which meant customers went to other manufacturers who offered petrol. They have changed that now but the damage was already done. |
Their decision to drop the Ford platform and develop their own conventional engines wasn't good timing either. Just when everyone else was switching to focus development efforts on electric. |  |
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| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 09:07 - Jan 10 with 3563 views | Kievthegreat |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 08:47 - Jan 10 by Swansea_Blue |
Their decision to drop the Ford platform and develop their own conventional engines wasn't good timing either. Just when everyone else was switching to focus development efforts on electric. |
It wasn't a choice. Ford were looking to finish manufacture of a lot of the shared engines, as they were dated and weren't being developed anymore. Ford also no longer had any reason to Supply JLR with new engines as the existing arrangements were because of Fords previous ownership and offering continuity when it moved to Tata.
Additionally it's still absolutely essential to develop conventional engines in concert with electrification as that is still where 99% of the market is. Developing their own engines gives them better control of hybridization of their models which is already hitting the market and will become standard in a couple of years. | | | |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 09:44 - Jan 10 with 3514 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 09:07 - Jan 10 by Kievthegreat |
It wasn't a choice. Ford were looking to finish manufacture of a lot of the shared engines, as they were dated and weren't being developed anymore. Ford also no longer had any reason to Supply JLR with new engines as the existing arrangements were because of Fords previous ownership and offering continuity when it moved to Tata.
Additionally it's still absolutely essential to develop conventional engines in concert with electrification as that is still where 99% of the market is. Developing their own engines gives them better control of hybridization of their models which is already hitting the market and will become standard in a couple of years. |
I heard it was their decision to develop their own line, but it's second second hand gossip so happy to stand corrected. Was told they'd got behind on the curve. | |
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| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 11:00 - Jan 10 with 3471 views | Kievthegreat |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 09:44 - Jan 10 by Swansea_Blue |
I heard it was their decision to develop their own line, but it's second second hand gossip so happy to stand corrected. Was told they'd got behind on the curve. |
Oh the engines they designed are very poor don't get me wrong. They are heavy for their size which is bad enough, but by using the same engine block for petrol and diesel, the case is even worse on the petrol (less stress on a petrol so you can have a smaller, lighter block). An equivalent engine from a competitor could be as much as 30% lighter for same power and displacement because of their modular philosophy.
I also heard of some horrific MPG figures for some petrols when prototypes were going, but never checked to see if they sorted that for when they were released as I'd left the company by then. | | | |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 11:23 - Jan 10 with 3452 views | jjblue84 |
#DespiteBrexit |  | | |
| Or alternatively on 11:30 - Jan 10 with 3436 views | unstableblue |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 08:05 - Jan 10 by brazil1982 |
Mainly due to the huge losses of sales to China but yeah it's the fault of Brexit and all those nasty racists who voted to leave. |
"The newly built JLR 300,000 square-metre Slovakian factory currently employs 1500 people, with the first phase capable of making 150,000 cars a year. The Discovery is the only model yet confirmed to be built at the plane, but it is likely other SUVs will be made there in future. JLR is currently recruiting another 850 people to work at the side."
I am sure the Slovakian factory - just opened - is slowing production. But where do you think they'll focus the production and jobs after a no deal?
What car does JLR have in its arsenal to fight the Diesel challenge - well its the all electric i-pace - built in errrrrrrrr.... Austria (by a contracting facility) |  |
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| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 11:56 - Jan 10 with 3405 views | No9 |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 07:29 - Jan 10 by BloomBlue |
What would have helped is if they had given more petrol engine options. They made the terrible decision to only offer diesel engines on some of their models which meant customers went to other manufacturers who offered petrol. They have changed that now but the damage was already done. |
Maybe you can afford to run a 4.5 Ltr metro engine, not too many can.
Then there is the fact the vehicles are grossly overpriced and have been heavily discounted to try & maintain sales.
The new models are not very good looking | | | |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 11:59 - Jan 10 with 3396 views | No9 |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 08:05 - Jan 10 by brazil1982 |
Mainly due to the huge losses of sales to China but yeah it's the fault of Brexit and all those nasty racists who voted to leave. |
Moving vehicle production out of the UK is down to brexit.
UK plants were bound to suffer most | | | |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 12:47 - Jan 10 with 3342 views | Pinewoodblue |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 11:59 - Jan 10 by No9 |
Moving vehicle production out of the UK is down to brexit.
UK plants were bound to suffer most |
Nothing to with an EU approved grant of €125m from the Slovsk government then? |  |
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| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 12:53 - Jan 10 with 3330 views | No9 |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 12:47 - Jan 10 by Pinewoodblue |
Nothing to with an EU approved grant of €125m from the Slovsk government then? |
Well according to the bloke from the Midlands this morning many of the job losses won't be in the workforce they will be in 'Management', like all British companies JLR is not doubt top heavy & inefficient.
As far as EU approved grants are concerned how much has the UK governmet shovelled in by comparison?
TATA must have been unhappy with aspects of the UK as they have moved production of several models out of the UK haven't they? It was announced a long while ago that TATA were going to move prodction to China, Austria, Slovakia et al. | | | |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 13:01 - Jan 10 with 3304 views | linhdi |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 12:53 - Jan 10 by No9 |
Well according to the bloke from the Midlands this morning many of the job losses won't be in the workforce they will be in 'Management', like all British companies JLR is not doubt top heavy & inefficient.
As far as EU approved grants are concerned how much has the UK governmet shovelled in by comparison?
TATA must have been unhappy with aspects of the UK as they have moved production of several models out of the UK haven't they? It was announced a long while ago that TATA were going to move prodction to China, Austria, Slovakia et al. |
Production is much cheaper in Slovakia so they were developing that asset, but the political risk following the Brexit vote accelerated any decision to invest in EU countries rather than UK. | | | |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 13:15 - Jan 10 with 3276 views | No9 |
| 5000 more jobs to go at JLR on 13:01 - Jan 10 by linhdi |
Production is much cheaper in Slovakia so they were developing that asset, but the political risk following the Brexit vote accelerated any decision to invest in EU countries rather than UK. |
I don't disagree with you but the way modern vehicle production is going there is less production line labour and more robots e.g Tyota are working to a man free production line.
TATA are no doubt looking at overall effiiciencies as well as the component supply line.
Any additional costs imposed by brexit will not help them sell what is already and overpriced product | | | |
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