| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline 13:43 - Jan 14 with 8199 views | Guthrum |
for six months or so, then I'm beginning to think we should have a General Election.
Shake up the deadlocked House of Commons, maybe get rid of awkward problems like the DUP leverage. Find out where Jeremy Corbyn really stands. See what the country actually thinks of certain MP's performances. If there's enough specific Brexity stuff in the manifestoes, it will act as a kind of referendum on the approach people want to take.
Could be a good thing. Could just land us back exactly where we are now, but at least we'd have bought more time for preparations. |  |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:48 - Jan 14 with 2783 views | Championship |
Wouldn't a second referendum be better to break the deadlock? I've been disappointed by Corbyn using Brexit to try and force a referendum. He is as bad as the rest of them in putting his own interests first. Corbyn can't win an election in my opinion and the Tories probably won't get a majority. Could we see the Lib Dems stop Brexit with a handful of MPs?
A second referendum seems the clear path to me. |  | | |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:51 - Jan 14 with 2763 views | jjblue84 |
Let’s just keep having a referendum until we get the result the politicians want, surely that’s democracy!! |  | | |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:51 - Jan 14 with 2764 views | ElephantintheRoom |
The EU have already said they will not put back the March 29 deadline that we triggered because we wanted to leave the EU. The EU consider it our problem that nobody even thought of the consequences of leaving before handing in our resignation letter. IF we want to demonstrate common sense and not leave the EU and/or have a referendum on the precise terms/cost of leaving the EU versus remaining they have already indicated that option is open and a delay can be invoked. |  |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:51 - Jan 14 with 2756 views | No9 |
A G.E. would be better than a second von, as long as the party's could be honest in their manifesto's | | | |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:52 - Jan 14 with 2759 views | Championship |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:51 - Jan 14 by ElephantintheRoom |
The EU have already said they will not put back the March 29 deadline that we triggered because we wanted to leave the EU. The EU consider it our problem that nobody even thought of the consequences of leaving before handing in our resignation letter. IF we want to demonstrate common sense and not leave the EU and/or have a referendum on the precise terms/cost of leaving the EU versus remaining they have already indicated that option is open and a delay can be invoked. |
According to a letter May received from Tusk and Juncker that isn't correct. | | | |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:52 - Jan 14 with 2758 views | positivity |
i can;t see another election sorting out the divisions, unless we have 3 new parties:-
stay in the eu
no deal
may's deal
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no-one knows what the country wants, it's all second-guessing unless we have a meaningful vote on a deliverable outcome (unlike the first referendum where you could vote for a project-your-own-fantasy-magic-unicorn brexit) | |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:55 - Jan 14 with 2742 views | Guthrum |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:48 - Jan 14 by Championship |
Wouldn't a second referendum be better to break the deadlock? I've been disappointed by Corbyn using Brexit to try and force a referendum. He is as bad as the rest of them in putting his own interests first. Corbyn can't win an election in my opinion and the Tories probably won't get a majority. Could we see the Lib Dems stop Brexit with a handful of MPs?
A second referendum seems the clear path to me. |
That's just one, very specific question (only then if properly worded and the options well thought out). It doesn't address broader approaches to the issue and does nothing to break the deadlock in the House of Commons - which, as we have already seen, can stymie the outworking of an ill-defined referendum.
General elections involve manifestoes, detailed explanations of the party's positions. The one thing we never had in 2016. | |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:58 - Jan 14 with 2720 views | Championship |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:55 - Jan 14 by Guthrum |
That's just one, very specific question (only then if properly worded and the options well thought out). It doesn't address broader approaches to the issue and does nothing to break the deadlock in the House of Commons - which, as we have already seen, can stymie the outworking of an ill-defined referendum.
General elections involve manifestoes, detailed explanations of the party's positions. The one thing we never had in 2016. |
We have had a general election since though and no one seems to know what's what. | | | |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:59 - Jan 14 with 2720 views | Guthrum |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:51 - Jan 14 by jjblue84 |
Let’s just keep having a referendum until we get the result the politicians want, surely that’s democracy!! |
That's part of the reason I'm not saying a referendum. A GE would give the people a chance to sort out the politicians. | |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:00 - Jan 14 with 2712 views | Guthrum |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:52 - Jan 14 by Championship |
According to a letter May received from Tusk and Juncker that isn't correct. |
Indeed that was what inspired the OP. If the deadline cannot be put back, then a GE is a very bad idea. | |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:00 - Jan 14 with 2705 views | homer_123 |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:51 - Jan 14 by No9 |
A G.E. would be better than a second von, as long as the party's could be honest in their manifesto's |
'as long as the party's could be honest in their manifesto's'
You've answered your own point there. |  |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:00 - Jan 14 with 2705 views | positivity |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:55 - Jan 14 by Guthrum |
That's just one, very specific question (only then if properly worded and the options well thought out). It doesn't address broader approaches to the issue and does nothing to break the deadlock in the House of Commons - which, as we have already seen, can stymie the outworking of an ill-defined referendum.
General elections involve manifestoes, detailed explanations of the party's positions. The one thing we never had in 2016. |
thing is, i don't think you can have a functioning parliament (or country) until brexit is sorted. it takes up virtually all the parliamentary time and energy and there's no time for vital reforms to be made.
a general election just kicks the can up the road again | |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:03 - Jan 14 with 2689 views | Guthrum |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:58 - Jan 14 by Championship |
We have had a general election since though and no one seems to know what's what. |
We had a particularly cr@p one, which was not fought on any of the pertinent issues for Brexit. At that time, nobody had any kind of concrete approach to be voted upon, let alone a real, live deal. | |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:06 - Jan 14 with 2673 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:51 - Jan 14 by No9 |
A G.E. would be better than a second von, as long as the party's could be honest in their manifesto's |
That'll be a no then! |  |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:07 - Jan 14 with 2668 views | Guthrum |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 13:52 - Jan 14 by positivity |
i can;t see another election sorting out the divisions, unless we have 3 new parties:-
stay in the eu
no deal
may's deal
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no-one knows what the country wants, it's all second-guessing unless we have a meaningful vote on a deliverable outcome (unlike the first referendum where you could vote for a project-your-own-fantasy-magic-unicorn brexit) |
The first is the LibDems and the SNP, the third is the Conservatives. If anyone much really wants No Deal thay can form their own faction or resurrect UKIP. Then you have "Corbyn's Deal" (or the hope of one) from the Labour Party. | |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:09 - Jan 14 with 2639 views | No9 |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:06 - Jan 14 by Swansea_Blue |
That'll be a no then! |
I suppose that one would hope the electorate would actually reaad the party manifesto's & understand them before voting
So you're probably right | | | |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:18 - Jan 14 with 2621 views | positivity |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:07 - Jan 14 by Guthrum |
The first is the LibDems and the SNP, the third is the Conservatives. If anyone much really wants No Deal thay can form their own faction or resurrect UKIP. Then you have "Corbyn's Deal" (or the hope of one) from the Labour Party. |
but if you vote for the conservatives, depending on where you live, you're also voting for no deal (rees-mogg & cronies) and leave the eu (clarke, grieve etc).
if you can persuade labour to sit this one out and any dissenting tories to step down, a general election it might give us an answer.
or we could just have a meaningful referendum! | |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:18 - Jan 14 with 2618 views | Pinewoodblue |
A general election isn't going to solve anything, except perhaps some MPs will be deselected by their constituency party.
The Tories will lose most of the seats they gained in Scotland to SNP, as May Labour, the Lib Dems will regain some of seats they lost due to dubious accounting practices by the Tories. A few other seats will change but at the end of the day neither Labour nor Conservatives will have an overall majority. |  |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:23 - Jan 14 with 2590 views | No9 |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:18 - Jan 14 by positivity |
but if you vote for the conservatives, depending on where you live, you're also voting for no deal (rees-mogg & cronies) and leave the eu (clarke, grieve etc).
if you can persuade labour to sit this one out and any dissenting tories to step down, a general election it might give us an answer.
or we could just have a meaningful referendum! |
Would people vote for their future or for the party?
One doesn't have to look too far to work out that: if you are poor, an ordinary pensioner, or young, leaving the EU isn't going to give you much of a future.
As the natoinal average wage is rotted firmly in the lower tax bracket that means mst would vote for a party that offered a reasonable degree of success.
Presently this is a rich man's country populated by poor people - based on HMRC tax brackets | | | |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:31 - Jan 14 with 2573 views | Guthrum |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:18 - Jan 14 by positivity |
but if you vote for the conservatives, depending on where you live, you're also voting for no deal (rees-mogg & cronies) and leave the eu (clarke, grieve etc).
if you can persuade labour to sit this one out and any dissenting tories to step down, a general election it might give us an answer.
or we could just have a meaningful referendum! |
If they stand in line with a series of manifesto promises, they they have to uphold those. If "May's Deal" became official Conservative policy, those who disagreed with it would have to either leave the party or shut up.
Maybe it could be the trigger for some political rearrangement? | |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:38 - Jan 14 with 2553 views | IpswichKnight |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:18 - Jan 14 by Pinewoodblue |
A general election isn't going to solve anything, except perhaps some MPs will be deselected by their constituency party.
The Tories will lose most of the seats they gained in Scotland to SNP, as May Labour, the Lib Dems will regain some of seats they lost due to dubious accounting practices by the Tories. A few other seats will change but at the end of the day neither Labour nor Conservatives will have an overall majority. |
Not true, most recent poll would have the following results
CON 12 (-1), LAB 2 (-5), LIB 4 (+0), UKIP 0 (+0), Green 0 (+0), SNP 41 (+6).
Labour are currently the party most vulnerable in Scotland. | | | |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:40 - Jan 14 with 2546 views | positivity |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:31 - Jan 14 by Guthrum |
If they stand in line with a series of manifesto promises, they they have to uphold those. If "May's Deal" became official Conservative policy, those who disagreed with it would have to either leave the party or shut up.
Maybe it could be the trigger for some political rearrangement? |
nice idea but never going to happen, for how many decades did tory eurosceptics stay in a party that backed staying in europe.
corbyn voted against most of the labour party manifesto promises too!
parties are too much of a broad church to be of use to answer this paralysing issue.
a second referendum could have the same effect of political rearrangement:-
we'll have an answer, we'll have a way forward mandated by the electorate. the government would then have to enact that or resign, anyone who couldn't bear to be in the party enacting the deal of the expressed will of the people, would have to leave that party... | |
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:41 - Jan 14 with 2545 views | Swansea_Blue |
I was originally against a dealy, until I saw this.
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| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:42 - Jan 14 with 2536 views | WD19 |
Your plan falls down at the 'Find out where Jeremy Corbyn really stands' bit.
Both main party manifestos would be 'try to get the best possible deal we can whilst respecting the result of the referendum.' Everything and nothing, thus pointless. |  | | |
| If the EU are happy to put back the March 29th deadline on 14:42 - Jan 14 with 2536 views | StokieBlue |
I don't think it would achieve anything.
Corbyn has set out a position on his negioiations that we know the EU won't agree to. We will be back in 6 months with his poor deal instead of May's poor deal.
There is no deal that's better than having your own currency and still being in a customs union and single market whilst getting money back at the end of the year.
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