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Would you vote: - The same as before - Leave - The same as before - Remain - Differently - Leave - Differently - Remain
I think I’d vote differently - To remain.
It’s frankly a shambles. And I voted leave without knowing. I should never have been trusted to vote on something the general public knows not enough about.
If there was another referendum: on 20:10 - Jan 15 by footers
You're saying we stick to a decision made by people with partial information but it would be a bad idea to ask the same question again but with full information?
As I said earlier, the only people who advocate for this, deep down, are just panicking that their Brexit wet dream is going down the pan.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
If there was another referendum: on 20:10 - Jan 15 by footers
You're saying we stick to a decision made by people with partial information but it would be a bad idea to ask the same question again but with full information?
What is the "full information" you speak of? You can see into the future and know what would happen if remain or stay?
If there was another referendum: on 20:11 - Jan 15 by Trequartista
Not at all. I voted Remain.
In short, a second referendum to get a different result would be a fair thing to jab at, if the 2nd referendum was simply Leave vs Remain. For a 2nd referendum to be anywhere near the realms of useful it has to outlay more detailed options, and even than get shlt on by parliament anyway.
If there was another referendum: on 20:11 - Jan 15 by WestStanderLaLaLa
Free movement. That will be amusing.
Let's be honest. It was only foreigners appearing in their field of vision from time to time that got most of the Gammonista's up off their bums and down the polling station. Without the promise of a supremely white British land what is going to motivate them?
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
If there was another referendum: on 20:06 - Jan 15 by Championship
No one. I'm just asking for full info in Romford's hypothetical situation. We should know exactly what we are voting for on both sides, correct?
Yes, but I'm not sure of the relevence of fanciful scenarios. I mean no-one is asking whether voting leave means smearing our faces with jam and sticking our heads in a beehive or leaving with no deal?
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If there was another referendum: on 20:13 - Jan 15 with 4487 views
If there was another referendum: on 20:08 - Jan 15 by Trequartista
Tiresome but true. Any referendum relies on partial information. That's why you should never have them. But now we have, we should really stick to it or risk serious damage to civil order and a parliamentary crisis
the information available now is considerably less partial than what we had two and half years ago. The deal on the table is known, the consequences of no-deal are better understood and remain is essentially status quo(albeit with probably less credibility in the EU parliament thanks to the antics of the last few years). The original referendum was essentially 'fairies, unicorns and no foreigners' vs 'are really going to be that stupid?'
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
If there was another referendum: on 20:13 - Jan 15 by BlueBadger
the information available now is considerably less partial than what we had two and half years ago. The deal on the table is known, the consequences of no-deal are better understood and remain is essentially status quo(albeit with probably less credibility in the EU parliament thanks to the antics of the last few years). The original referendum was essentially 'fairies, unicorns and no foreigners' vs 'are really going to be that stupid?'
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At the very least we know the NHS isn't going to get 350m a week...
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
If there was another referendum: on 20:12 - Jan 15 by Trequartista
What is the "full information" you speak of? You can see into the future and know what would happen if remain or stay?
More that a lot of people were uninformed about our actual involvement with the EU, the subsequent downturn of the pound, manufacturers leaving Britain etc. People know more than they did about the EU before the vote, including seeing leaving the bloc's potential impacts.
If you then had a deal with the EU under which we would leave, a hard Brexit or remain vote, that would surely be fair enough? No one voted for any type of Brexit, and the referendum was purely advisory, so giving the people another chance to have their say is only fair, innit, considering we're talking about the biggest political question we've faced in quite some time.
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footers QC - Prosecution Barrister, Hasketon Law Chambers
If there was another referendum: on 20:13 - Jan 15 by BlueBadger
the information available now is considerably less partial than what we had two and half years ago. The deal on the table is known, the consequences of no-deal are better understood and remain is essentially status quo(albeit with probably less credibility in the EU parliament thanks to the antics of the last few years). The original referendum was essentially 'fairies, unicorns and no foreigners' vs 'are really going to be that stupid?'
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That's a rather biased take on events if i may be so bold.
If there was another referendum: on 20:16 - Jan 15 by Trequartista
That's a rather biased take on events if i may be so bold.
Would you be so bold as to present a counter argument then?
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
If there was another referendum: on 20:21 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue
All it requires is the agreement of Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein.
Oh. That'll be no problem at all then.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
If there was another referendum: on 20:07 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue
There is no majority in the commons for a second referendum.
The house will eventually vote for a Norway style deal.
And the EU would probably go along with that, as it ensures regulatory and tariff compatibility. The hard-core Brexiteers won't like it, tho (but there's not enough of them on their own).
If there was another referendum: on 20:25 - Jan 15 by grimboy
Leave
How come?
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If there was another referendum: on 20:23 - Jan 15 by Guthrum
And the EU would probably go along with that, as it ensures regulatory and tariff compatibility. The hard-core Brexiteers won't like it, tho (but there's not enough of them on their own).
The hard core Brexiteers number about 24, as shown in the defeated Baron amendment. May will win the no confidence motion and there is no majority for a people vote.
I believe the house will see EFTa as a compromise that reflects the 52/48 result.
If there was another referendum: on 20:17 - Jan 15 by SpruceMoose
Would you be so bold as to present a counter argument then?
Describing one side as "are we really going to be that stupid" is biased.
I want to be a separate nation within a European trading block, I do not want any political union (as i love Britain) and that increases all the time. So I had to vote on balance and voted Remain as the least worst option. I respect those who feel the political union has gone too far or feel that we are being increasingly governed by unelected politicians in Brussels. They are not stupid, they just have a different opinion.
I couldn't vote in 2016 because I had been out of the country more than 15 years.
I said at the time that I would have voted leave, knew it would never happen (and I still believe that) and wanted to see how the Government coped with such a vote. Sadly, I think the democracy we have in the UK and most Western democracies is as good as dead.
I would vote leave again in the hope that anyone still believing we have a political system fit for purpose finally realises they're being strung along like puppets.