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If there was another referendum: 19:58 - Jan 15 with 41273 viewsThe_Romford_Blue

Would you vote:
- The same as before - Leave
- The same as before - Remain
- Differently - Leave
- Differently - Remain


I think I’d vote differently - To remain.

It’s frankly a shambles. And I voted leave without knowing. I should never have been trusted to vote on something the general public knows not enough about.

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If there was another referendum: on 20:11 - Jan 15 with 4505 viewsWestStanderLaLaLa

If there was another referendum: on 20:07 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue

There is no majority in the commons for a second referendum.

The house will eventually vote for a Norway style deal.


Free movement. That will be amusing.

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If there was another referendum: on 20:11 - Jan 15 with 4499 viewsSpruceMoose

If there was another referendum: on 20:10 - Jan 15 by footers

You're saying we stick to a decision made by people with partial information but it would be a bad idea to ask the same question again but with full information?


As I said earlier, the only people who advocate for this, deep down, are just panicking that their Brexit wet dream is going down the pan.

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If there was another referendum: on 20:12 - Jan 15 with 4492 viewsTrequartista

If there was another referendum: on 20:10 - Jan 15 by footers

You're saying we stick to a decision made by people with partial information but it would be a bad idea to ask the same question again but with full information?


What is the "full information" you speak of? You can see into the future and know what would happen if remain or stay?

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If there was another referendum: on 20:13 - Jan 15 with 4490 viewswkj

If there was another referendum: on 20:11 - Jan 15 by Trequartista

Not at all. I voted Remain.


In short, a second referendum to get a different result would be a fair thing to jab at, if the 2nd referendum was simply Leave vs Remain. For a 2nd referendum to be anywhere near the realms of useful it has to outlay more detailed options, and even than get shlt on by parliament anyway.

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If there was another referendum: on 20:13 - Jan 15 with 4488 viewsSpruceMoose

If there was another referendum: on 20:11 - Jan 15 by WestStanderLaLaLa

Free movement. That will be amusing.


Let's be honest. It was only foreigners appearing in their field of vision from time to time that got most of the Gammonista's up off their bums and down the polling station. Without the promise of a supremely white British land what is going to motivate them?

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If there was another referendum: on 20:13 - Jan 15 with 4486 viewsKievthegreat

If there was another referendum: on 20:06 - Jan 15 by Championship

No one. I'm just asking for full info in Romford's hypothetical situation. We should know exactly what we are voting for on both sides, correct?


Yes, but I'm not sure of the relevence of fanciful scenarios. I mean no-one is asking whether voting leave means smearing our faces with jam and sticking our heads in a beehive or leaving with no deal?
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If there was another referendum: on 20:13 - Jan 15 with 4487 viewsBlueBadger

If there was another referendum: on 20:08 - Jan 15 by Trequartista

Tiresome but true. Any referendum relies on partial information. That's why you should never have them. But now we have, we should really stick to it or risk serious damage to civil order and a parliamentary crisis


the information available now is considerably less partial than what we had two and half years ago.
The deal on the table is known, the consequences of no-deal are better understood and remain is essentially status quo(albeit with probably less credibility in the EU parliament thanks to the antics of the last few years).
The original referendum was essentially 'fairies, unicorns and no foreigners' vs 'are really going to be that stupid?'
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If there was another referendum: on 20:14 - Jan 15 with 4482 viewsgiant_stow

If there was another referendum: on 20:07 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue

There is no majority in the commons for a second referendum.

The house will eventually vote for a Norway style deal.


with the lost cost of the rebate to always go on the Tory tab. They'll never be able to lecture about fiscal matters again.

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If there was another referendum: on 20:14 - Jan 15 with 4477 viewsSpruceMoose

If there was another referendum: on 20:13 - Jan 15 by BlueBadger

the information available now is considerably less partial than what we had two and half years ago.
The deal on the table is known, the consequences of no-deal are better understood and remain is essentially status quo(albeit with probably less credibility in the EU parliament thanks to the antics of the last few years).
The original referendum was essentially 'fairies, unicorns and no foreigners' vs 'are really going to be that stupid?'
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At the very least we know the NHS isn't going to get 350m a week...

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If there was another referendum: on 20:16 - Jan 15 with 4469 viewsfooters

If there was another referendum: on 20:12 - Jan 15 by Trequartista

What is the "full information" you speak of? You can see into the future and know what would happen if remain or stay?


More that a lot of people were uninformed about our actual involvement with the EU, the subsequent downturn of the pound, manufacturers leaving Britain etc. People know more than they did about the EU before the vote, including seeing leaving the bloc's potential impacts.

If you then had a deal with the EU under which we would leave, a hard Brexit or remain vote, that would surely be fair enough? No one voted for any type of Brexit, and the referendum was purely advisory, so giving the people another chance to have their say is only fair, innit, considering we're talking about the biggest political question we've faced in quite some time.
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If there was another referendum: on 20:16 - Jan 15 with 4466 viewsTrequartista

If there was another referendum: on 20:13 - Jan 15 by BlueBadger

the information available now is considerably less partial than what we had two and half years ago.
The deal on the table is known, the consequences of no-deal are better understood and remain is essentially status quo(albeit with probably less credibility in the EU parliament thanks to the antics of the last few years).
The original referendum was essentially 'fairies, unicorns and no foreigners' vs 'are really going to be that stupid?'
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That's a rather biased take on events if i may be so bold.

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If there was another referendum: on 20:17 - Jan 15 with 4461 viewsSpruceMoose

If there was another referendum: on 20:16 - Jan 15 by Trequartista

That's a rather biased take on events if i may be so bold.


Would you be so bold as to present a counter argument then?

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If there was another referendum: on 20:18 - Jan 15 with 4450 viewsBlueBadger

If there was another referendum: on 20:16 - Jan 15 by Trequartista

That's a rather biased take on events if i may be so bold.


Sadly, facts have generally had that kind of bias.

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If there was another referendum: on 20:21 - Jan 15 with 4436 viewsGlasgowBlue

If there was another referendum: on 20:10 - Jan 15 by SpruceMoose

A Norway style deal that isn't being offered? How are they going to do that?


All it requires is the agreement of Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein.

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If there was another referendum: on 20:22 - Jan 15 with 4431 viewsSpruceMoose

If there was another referendum: on 20:21 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue

All it requires is the agreement of Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein.


Oh. That'll be no problem at all then.

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If there was another referendum: on 20:23 - Jan 15 with 4434 viewsGuthrum

If there was another referendum: on 20:07 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue

There is no majority in the commons for a second referendum.

The house will eventually vote for a Norway style deal.


And the EU would probably go along with that, as it ensures regulatory and tariff compatibility. The hard-core Brexiteers won't like it, tho (but there's not enough of them on their own).

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If there was another referendum: on 20:24 - Jan 15 with 4424 viewsWeirdFishes

The same as before - remain, obviously.

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If there was another referendum: on 20:24 - Jan 15 with 4423 viewswkj

If there was another referendum: on 20:22 - Jan 15 by SpruceMoose

Oh. That'll be no problem at all then.


I dunno, I hear Liechtenstein has an agenda against Strictly Come Dancing. We could have to accept we would never see Claudia Wriklebum on tv again


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If there was another referendum: on 20:25 - Jan 15 with 4406 viewsgrimboy

Leave
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If there was another referendum: on 20:26 - Jan 15 with 4401 viewsSpruceMoose

If there was another referendum: on 20:25 - Jan 15 by grimboy

Leave


How come?

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If there was another referendum: on 20:25 - Jan 15 by grimboy

Leave


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If there was another referendum: on 20:28 - Jan 15 with 4395 viewsGlasgowBlue

If there was another referendum: on 20:23 - Jan 15 by Guthrum

And the EU would probably go along with that, as it ensures regulatory and tariff compatibility. The hard-core Brexiteers won't like it, tho (but there's not enough of them on their own).


The hard core Brexiteers number about 24, as shown in the defeated Baron amendment. May will win the no confidence motion and there is no majority for a people vote.

I believe the house will see EFTa as a compromise that reflects the 52/48 result.

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If there was another referendum: on 20:33 - Jan 15 with 4385 viewsTrequartista

If there was another referendum: on 20:17 - Jan 15 by SpruceMoose

Would you be so bold as to present a counter argument then?


Describing one side as "are we really going to be that stupid" is biased.

I want to be a separate nation within a European trading block, I do not want any political union (as i love Britain) and that increases all the time. So I had to vote on balance and voted Remain as the least worst option. I respect those who feel the political union has gone too far or feel that we are being increasingly governed by unelected politicians in Brussels. They are not stupid, they just have a different opinion.
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If there was another referendum: on 20:34 - Jan 15 with 4375 viewsfactual_blue

If there was another referendum: on 20:26 - Jan 15 by SpruceMoose

How come?


So the UK can introduce new laws on bus-related deaths.
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If there was another referendum: on 20:34 - Jan 15 with 4378 viewscaught-in-limbo

I couldn't vote in 2016 because I had been out of the country more than 15 years.

I said at the time that I would have voted leave, knew it would never happen (and I still believe that) and wanted to see how the Government coped with such a vote. Sadly, I think the democracy we have in the UK and most Western democracies is as good as dead.

I would vote leave again in the hope that anyone still believing we have a political system fit for purpose finally realises they're being strung along like puppets.
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