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What next...? 20:07 - Jan 15 with 1288 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

1. Agree to at least match environmental/workers protections.
2. Guarantee rights of Europeans/Britains living and working here or there as of March
3.Migration policy determined by government from that point.
4. Leave

Am I missing something, why wouldn't this get backing in Parliament?

Ps....(5. Proportional representation 6. Kick out the Tories)
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What next...? on 20:08 - Jan 15 with 868 viewssparks

None of these deal with the big stumbling block.

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What next...? on 20:11 - Jan 15 with 848 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

What next...? on 20:08 - Jan 15 by sparks

None of these deal with the big stumbling block.


If the Irish want to establish a border that's up to them.

Edit...... there has never been one anyway.
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What next...? on 20:13 - Jan 15 with 836 viewssparks

What next...? on 20:11 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

If the Irish want to establish a border that's up to them.

Edit...... there has never been one anyway.
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What?

I struggle to follow what you are saying. Do you even understand the issue?

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What next...? on 20:14 - Jan 15 with 837 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

What next...? on 20:08 - Jan 15 by sparks

None of these deal with the big stumbling block.


......or is it that we can't guarantee the EU keeping up with our manufacturing standards going forward?

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What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 with 824 viewssparks

What next...? on 20:14 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

......or is it that we can't guarantee the EU keeping up with our manufacturing standards going forward?


? Wibble.

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What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 with 823 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

What next...? on 20:13 - Jan 15 by sparks

What?

I struggle to follow what you are saying. Do you even understand the issue?


You haven't named it so I am taking pot shots!

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What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 with 810 viewsBlueBadger

What next...? on 20:14 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

......or is it that we can't guarantee the EU keeping up with our manufacturing standards going forward?


Oh no, you're going Full Pickles. Never go full Pickles.

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What next...? on 20:18 - Jan 15 with 817 viewssparks

What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

You haven't named it so I am taking pot shots!


Im fairly certain that anyone remotely informed about anything knows that the backstop and Irish border are the key problems which appear insurmountable.

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What next...? on 20:20 - Jan 15 with 806 viewsGuthrum

Because it wouldn't be backed by the Labour Party (doesn't meet all their six points, e.g. 'Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?'), nor by some elements of the Conservatives (who disagree with many of those things and want lower standards of regulation).

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What next...? on 20:21 - Jan 15 with 801 viewsBloomBlue

Re 1) who said they would be worse? Our ccurrent targets for many environmental improvements are better/tougher than the EU.
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What next...? on 20:22 - Jan 15 with 797 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 by sparks

? Wibble.


You think we couldn't (have higher standards on say longevity of product life )with the political will to make it happen?

Really just after ideas on what could work so that we don't end with a democratic deficit and a polarised nation for a decade or more. Referendum 2 isn't the answer.

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What next...? on 20:23 - Jan 15 with 791 viewssparks

What next...? on 20:22 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

You think we couldn't (have higher standards on say longevity of product life )with the political will to make it happen?

Really just after ideas on what could work so that we don't end with a democratic deficit and a polarised nation for a decade or more. Referendum 2 isn't the answer.


What?

The border issue / backstop is the big issue. Its seemingly insurmountable unless the vote tonight creates leverage which can be applied to the EU (which I doubt).

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What next...? on 20:24 - Jan 15 with 785 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 by BlueBadger

Oh no, you're going Full Pickles. Never go full Pickles.


.....or the future is what we want to make it. I appreciate though that you appear to be less vocal when it comes to being constructive !

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What next...? on 20:26 - Jan 15 with 780 viewsjjblue84

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What next...? on 20:27 - Jan 15 with 776 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

What next...? on 20:20 - Jan 15 by Guthrum

Because it wouldn't be backed by the Labour Party (doesn't meet all their six points, e.g. 'Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?'), nor by some elements of the Conservatives (who disagree with many of those things and want lower standards of regulation).


In a free vote though? All parties are coming up smelling of politicians so far!

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What next...? on 20:30 - Jan 15 with 769 viewsGuthrum

What next...? on 20:22 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

You think we couldn't (have higher standards on say longevity of product life )with the political will to make it happen?

Really just after ideas on what could work so that we don't end with a democratic deficit and a polarised nation for a decade or more. Referendum 2 isn't the answer.


We could, but there would be considerable pressure in the other direction, not least from Trump's low regulatory, make-money-at-all-costs USA, with whom we are going to be desperate to make a trade deal once out of the EU.

A second referendum would be about as productive as tonight's vote.

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What next...? on 20:31 - Jan 15 with 758 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

What next...? on 20:18 - Jan 15 by sparks

Im fairly certain that anyone remotely informed about anything knows that the backstop and Irish border are the key problems which appear insurmountable.


So as my list above but we just do it on a unilateral basis plus my Ireland adendum and then it's up to them if they play ball or not. Time to change the rules......yellow vest anybody.

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What next...? on 20:32 - Jan 15 with 755 viewsGuthrum

What next...? on 20:27 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

In a free vote though? All parties are coming up smelling of politicians so far!


It was, to all intents and purposes, a free vote tonight.

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What next...? on 20:32 - Jan 15 with 753 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

What next...? on 20:21 - Jan 15 by BloomBlue

Re 1) who said they would be worse? Our ccurrent targets for many environmental improvements are better/tougher than the EU.


....which is why I suggested "at least match."

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What next...? on 20:34 - Jan 15 with 743 viewsNo9

What next...? on 20:08 - Jan 15 by sparks

None of these deal with the big stumbling block.


If they agree that & take it to the EU would the EU move on the backstop?
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What next...? on 20:35 - Jan 15 with 733 viewssparks

What next...? on 20:34 - Jan 15 by No9

If they agree that & take it to the EU would the EU move on the backstop?
Mays red lines are at least in part the problem, are they not?


No- the backstop and Ireland is.

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What next...? on 20:35 - Jan 15 with 728 viewssparks

What next...? on 20:31 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

So as my list above but we just do it on a unilateral basis plus my Ireland adendum and then it's up to them if they play ball or not. Time to change the rules......yellow vest anybody.


This will be good:

Explain your "Ireland addendum".

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What next...? on 20:35 - Jan 15 with 726 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

What next...? on 20:23 - Jan 15 by sparks

What?

The border issue / backstop is the big issue. Its seemingly insurmountable unless the vote tonight creates leverage which can be applied to the EU (which I doubt).


However I replied to "wibble" which was your response to manufacturing standards not backstops and Ireland.

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What next...? on 20:36 - Jan 15 with 723 viewsBloomBlue

What next...? on 20:32 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

....which is why I suggested "at least match."


But that's the point nobody has said the UK's will be worse so no need to commit to making them the same as they're already better.
That is just part of a game by Corbyn
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What next...? on 20:37 - Jan 15 with 721 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

What next...? on 20:26 - Jan 15 by jjblue84

If you have PR, you’ll never get rid of the Tories!!


Never or always!

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