| What next...? 20:07 - Jan 15 with 2349 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
1. Agree to at least match environmental/workers protections.
2. Guarantee rights of Europeans/Britains living and working here or there as of March
3.Migration policy determined by government from that point.
4. Leave
Am I missing something, why wouldn't this get backing in Parliament?
Ps....(5. Proportional representation 6. Kick out the Tories) [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:08]
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| What next...? on 20:08 - Jan 15 with 1648 views | sparks |
None of these deal with the big stumbling block. |  |
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| What next...? on 20:11 - Jan 15 with 1628 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What next...? on 20:08 - Jan 15 by sparks |
None of these deal with the big stumbling block. |
If the Irish want to establish a border that's up to them.
Edit...... there has never been one anyway. [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:12]
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| What next...? on 20:13 - Jan 15 with 1616 views | sparks |
| What next...? on 20:11 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If the Irish want to establish a border that's up to them.
Edit...... there has never been one anyway. [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:12]
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What?
I struggle to follow what you are saying. Do you even understand the issue? | |
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| What next...? on 20:14 - Jan 15 with 1617 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What next...? on 20:08 - Jan 15 by sparks |
None of these deal with the big stumbling block. |
......or is it that we can't guarantee the EU keeping up with our manufacturing standards going forward? | |
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| What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 with 1604 views | sparks |
| What next...? on 20:14 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
......or is it that we can't guarantee the EU keeping up with our manufacturing standards going forward? |
? Wibble. | |
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| What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 with 1603 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What next...? on 20:13 - Jan 15 by sparks |
What?
I struggle to follow what you are saying. Do you even understand the issue? |
You haven't named it so I am taking pot shots! | |
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| What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 with 1590 views | BlueBadger |
| What next...? on 20:14 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
......or is it that we can't guarantee the EU keeping up with our manufacturing standards going forward? |
Oh no, you're going Full Pickles. Never go full Pickles. |  |
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| What next...? on 20:18 - Jan 15 with 1597 views | sparks |
| What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You haven't named it so I am taking pot shots! |
Im fairly certain that anyone remotely informed about anything knows that the backstop and Irish border are the key problems which appear insurmountable. | |
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| What next...? on 20:20 - Jan 15 with 1586 views | Guthrum |
Because it wouldn't be backed by the Labour Party (doesn't meet all their six points, e.g. 'Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?'), nor by some elements of the Conservatives (who disagree with many of those things and want lower standards of regulation). |  |
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| What next...? on 20:21 - Jan 15 with 1581 views | BloomBlue |
Re 1) who said they would be worse? Our ccurrent targets for many environmental improvements are better/tougher than the EU. |  | | |
| What next...? on 20:22 - Jan 15 with 1577 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 by sparks |
? Wibble. |
You think we couldn't (have higher standards on say longevity of product life )with the political will to make it happen?
Really just after ideas on what could work so that we don't end with a democratic deficit and a polarised nation for a decade or more. Referendum 2 isn't the answer. | |
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| What next...? on 20:23 - Jan 15 with 1571 views | sparks |
| What next...? on 20:22 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You think we couldn't (have higher standards on say longevity of product life )with the political will to make it happen?
Really just after ideas on what could work so that we don't end with a democratic deficit and a polarised nation for a decade or more. Referendum 2 isn't the answer. |
What?
The border issue / backstop is the big issue. Its seemingly insurmountable unless the vote tonight creates leverage which can be applied to the EU (which I doubt). | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett) | | Poll: | Is Fred drunk this morning? |
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| What next...? on 20:24 - Jan 15 with 1565 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What next...? on 20:16 - Jan 15 by BlueBadger |
Oh no, you're going Full Pickles. Never go full Pickles. |
.....or the future is what we want to make it. I appreciate though that you appear to be less vocal when it comes to being constructive ! | |
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| What next...? on 20:26 - Jan 15 with 1560 views | jjblue84 |
If you have PR, you’ll never get rid of the Tories!! |  | | |
| What next...? on 20:27 - Jan 15 with 1556 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What next...? on 20:20 - Jan 15 by Guthrum |
Because it wouldn't be backed by the Labour Party (doesn't meet all their six points, e.g. 'Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?'), nor by some elements of the Conservatives (who disagree with many of those things and want lower standards of regulation). |
In a free vote though? All parties are coming up smelling of politicians so far! | |
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| What next...? on 20:30 - Jan 15 with 1549 views | Guthrum |
| What next...? on 20:22 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You think we couldn't (have higher standards on say longevity of product life )with the political will to make it happen?
Really just after ideas on what could work so that we don't end with a democratic deficit and a polarised nation for a decade or more. Referendum 2 isn't the answer. |
We could, but there would be considerable pressure in the other direction, not least from Trump's low regulatory, make-money-at-all-costs USA, with whom we are going to be desperate to make a trade deal once out of the EU.
A second referendum would be about as productive as tonight's vote. | |
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| What next...? on 20:31 - Jan 15 with 1538 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What next...? on 20:18 - Jan 15 by sparks |
Im fairly certain that anyone remotely informed about anything knows that the backstop and Irish border are the key problems which appear insurmountable. |
So as my list above but we just do it on a unilateral basis plus my Ireland adendum and then it's up to them if they play ball or not. Time to change the rules......yellow vest anybody. | |
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| What next...? on 20:32 - Jan 15 with 1535 views | Guthrum |
| What next...? on 20:27 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
In a free vote though? All parties are coming up smelling of politicians so far! |
It was, to all intents and purposes, a free vote tonight. | |
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| What next...? on 20:32 - Jan 15 with 1533 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What next...? on 20:21 - Jan 15 by BloomBlue |
Re 1) who said they would be worse? Our ccurrent targets for many environmental improvements are better/tougher than the EU. |
....which is why I suggested "at least match." | |
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| What next...? on 20:34 - Jan 15 with 1523 views | No9 |
| What next...? on 20:08 - Jan 15 by sparks |
None of these deal with the big stumbling block. |
If they agree that & take it to the EU would the EU move on the backstop?
Mays red lines are at least in part the problem, are they not? |  | | |
| What next...? on 20:35 - Jan 15 with 1513 views | sparks |
| What next...? on 20:34 - Jan 15 by No9 |
If they agree that & take it to the EU would the EU move on the backstop?
Mays red lines are at least in part the problem, are they not? |
No- the backstop and Ireland is. | |
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| What next...? on 20:35 - Jan 15 with 1508 views | sparks |
| What next...? on 20:31 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
So as my list above but we just do it on a unilateral basis plus my Ireland adendum and then it's up to them if they play ball or not. Time to change the rules......yellow vest anybody. |
This will be good:
Explain your "Ireland addendum". | |
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| What next...? on 20:35 - Jan 15 with 1506 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What next...? on 20:23 - Jan 15 by sparks |
What?
The border issue / backstop is the big issue. Its seemingly insurmountable unless the vote tonight creates leverage which can be applied to the EU (which I doubt). |
However I replied to "wibble" which was your response to manufacturing standards not backstops and Ireland. | |
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| What next...? on 20:36 - Jan 15 with 1503 views | BloomBlue |
| What next...? on 20:32 - Jan 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
....which is why I suggested "at least match." |
But that's the point nobody has said the UK's will be worse so no need to commit to making them the same as they're already better.
That is just part of a game by Corbyn | | | |
| What next...? on 20:37 - Jan 15 with 1501 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What next...? on 20:26 - Jan 15 by jjblue84 |
If you have PR, you’ll never get rid of the Tories!! |
Never or always! | |
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