| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? 15:34 - Jan 17 with 3167 views | SpruceMoose |
Obviously he wants to exploit the situation to become PM, but what other outcomes is he hoping for here? All this guff about wanting no deal off the table belies the fact that he still wants us out of the EU.
Is he hoping that we can exit and he can blame somebody else, all the while keeping his piedpiper-like followers happy? I'm thinking he would he love us to leave, but also wants to look his followers in the eye and say 'well... I tried to keep us in...' despite that never being his intention. |  |
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:42 - Jan 17 with 2700 views | StokieBlue |
If you were being kind you could say he knows what he wants which is out of the EU to allow him to implement his domestic policies whilst being within the customs union and single market without freedom of movement. Impossible but we can all have a dream.
If you were being unkind you could say he is just saying things randomly which sound good to his supporters without actually having a coherent position. It feels like he is being lead by the events rather than trying to lead the events.
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:43 - Jan 17 with 2704 views | Guthrum |
Removal of the economic controls which would prevent a Labour government putting large subsidies into UK industries.
Protection of workers' rights.
Don't know about Corbyn himself, but some of his more hard-core supporter base regard the entire EU as a capitalist conspiracy (wrong kind of internationalism). |  |
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:43 - Jan 17 with 2696 views | m14_blue |
I genuinely don’t think he knows. |  | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:50 - Jan 17 with 2683 views | No9 |
Hasn't he said it's what was agreed at the conference in the autumn?
But in the end it's of no consequence this is a tory fight and it's about to get much worse if what Hammond says happens
All other parties are bystanders | | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:51 - Jan 17 with 2682 views | factual_blue |
A world-wide ban on moose hunting. |  |
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:54 - Jan 17 with 2665 views | xrayspecs |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:43 - Jan 17 by Guthrum |
Removal of the economic controls which would prevent a Labour government putting large subsidies into UK industries.
Protection of workers' rights.
Don't know about Corbyn himself, but some of his more hard-core supporter base regard the entire EU as a capitalist conspiracy (wrong kind of internationalism). |
Agreed.
He wants the UK out of the EU but does not want to appear to have his fingerprints on that outcome.
It is why he is maintaining he can negotiate a new and better deal with the EU. One which they are highly likely to reject even if he had the time to negotiate. | | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:54 - Jan 17 with 2663 views | SpruceMoose |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:51 - Jan 17 by factual_blue |
A world-wide ban on moose hunting. |
That may hinder my moose hunting business in Scandinavia. JC out! | |
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:54 - Jan 17 with 2663 views | Championship |
He's failed to get his general election so now he's latched on to some random demand to delay having to support a second referendum. He is utterly useless.
He hasn't got a clue what he wants. He is just deluded to think Labour could win an election under his leadership. |  | | |
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:56 - Jan 17 with 2656 views | xrayspecs |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:54 - Jan 17 by Championship |
He's failed to get his general election so now he's latched on to some random demand to delay having to support a second referendum. He is utterly useless.
He hasn't got a clue what he wants. He is just deluded to think Labour could win an election under his leadership. |
He does know what he wants.
Posted below:
He wants the UK out of the EU but does not want to appear to have his fingerprints on that outcome.
It is why he is maintaining he can negotiate a new and better deal with the EU. One which they are highly likely to reject even if he had the time to negotiate. | | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:58 - Jan 17 with 2645 views | Championship |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:56 - Jan 17 by xrayspecs |
He does know what he wants.
Posted below:
He wants the UK out of the EU but does not want to appear to have his fingerprints on that outcome.
It is why he is maintaining he can negotiate a new and better deal with the EU. One which they are highly likely to reject even if he had the time to negotiate. |
True but surely only the biggest Corbyn fanboys believe his nonsense? | | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:58 - Jan 17 with 2645 views | No9 |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:43 - Jan 17 by Guthrum |
Removal of the economic controls which would prevent a Labour government putting large subsidies into UK industries.
Protection of workers' rights.
Don't know about Corbyn himself, but some of his more hard-core supporter base regard the entire EU as a capitalist conspiracy (wrong kind of internationalism). |
"Removal of the economic controls which would prevent a Labour government putting large subsidies into UK industries."
That isn't the case really is it? Since 2010 the tories have handed out £billions in what has been called 'corporate welfare' e.g. nearly £4 Bn to BT alone, & there are plenty of cases in the EU where the state owns & invests in companies OK mainly infrastructure & transort but also in R&D. | | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:02 - Jan 17 with 2625 views | Guthrum |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:58 - Jan 17 by No9 |
"Removal of the economic controls which would prevent a Labour government putting large subsidies into UK industries."
That isn't the case really is it? Since 2010 the tories have handed out £billions in what has been called 'corporate welfare' e.g. nearly £4 Bn to BT alone, & there are plenty of cases in the EU where the state owns & invests in companies OK mainly infrastructure & transort but also in R&D. |
Perhaps he thinks he wouldn't get away with that, or it wouldn't go down well with his supporters? Otherwise I can't really see any economic reason for wanting out. | |
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:04 - Jan 17 with 2627 views | floridaboy |
He wants total control over his MPs as well. Written to all his MPs basically telling them NOT to talk to the Government on anything.
Is he that deluded that he thinks if the No Deal happens he would win a GE. After all that is what the many of his followers voted for!
Just wish he would go on holiday and leave it to Keir Starmer and Tom Watson! | | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:04 - Jan 17 with 2623 views | factual_blue |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:58 - Jan 17 by Championship |
True but surely only the biggest Corbyn fanboys believe his nonsense? |
This is even more true of farage fanboys and bojo fangirls. | |
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:04 - Jan 17 with 2623 views | xrayspecs |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:58 - Jan 17 by Championship |
True but surely only the biggest Corbyn fanboys believe his nonsense? |
This is politics.
JC has positioned himself as both respecting the referendum result and going into negotiate a better deal for those who wanted to remain.
Whether anyone believes this is achievable or what he really wants to do is a mute point. | | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:05 - Jan 17 with 2613 views | factual_blue |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:54 - Jan 17 by SpruceMoose |
That may hinder my moose hunting business in Scandinavia. JC out! |
The possibility of excluding Scandinavia from the ban is on the table. | |
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:06 - Jan 17 with 2599 views | No9 |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:02 - Jan 17 by Guthrum |
Perhaps he thinks he wouldn't get away with that, or it wouldn't go down well with his supporters? Otherwise I can't really see any economic reason for wanting out. |
I'm not sure I get your point
The EU doesn't prohibit state investment as can be seen all over the EU | | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:08 - Jan 17 with 2593 views | No9 |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:04 - Jan 17 by xrayspecs |
This is politics.
JC has positioned himself as both respecting the referendum result and going into negotiate a better deal for those who wanted to remain.
Whether anyone believes this is achievable or what he really wants to do is a mute point. |
Just as a fact check, the tories have been negotiating this no one else | | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:09 - Jan 17 with 2591 views | xrayspecs |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:08 - Jan 17 by No9 |
Just as a fact check, the tories have been negotiating this no one else |
Not sure what point you are trying to make here. Yes, the Tories have negotiated this deal.
The post was about what BREXIT outcome JC wants. Given he is leader of the opposition and has this week tried to engineer a general election, it is a reasonable question to ask. [Post edited 17 Jan 2019 16:10]
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:14 - Jan 17 with 2569 views | No9 |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:09 - Jan 17 by xrayspecs |
Not sure what point you are trying to make here. Yes, the Tories have negotiated this deal.
The post was about what BREXIT outcome JC wants. Given he is leader of the opposition and has this week tried to engineer a general election, it is a reasonable question to ask. [Post edited 17 Jan 2019 16:10]
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What the opposition want is irrelevent isn't it? The tories have shown that since day 1.
Had the government been interested in what opposition parties wanted they would have invited cross party talks at the start NOT when the PM finds she can't control her own party & wants others to dig her out of the sh!t
The other countries in the UK Union are being ignored including 'the will of the people in N. Ireland
It's a tory show & they may well split if what Hammond said is true
& If Corbyn says he'll listen to his members that should happen but they are still not the government | | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:20 - Jan 17 with 2545 views | Leaky |
Good post |  | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:21 - Jan 17 with 2545 views | xrayspecs |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:14 - Jan 17 by No9 |
What the opposition want is irrelevent isn't it? The tories have shown that since day 1.
Had the government been interested in what opposition parties wanted they would have invited cross party talks at the start NOT when the PM finds she can't control her own party & wants others to dig her out of the sh!t
The other countries in the UK Union are being ignored including 'the will of the people in N. Ireland
It's a tory show & they may well split if what Hammond said is true
& If Corbyn says he'll listen to his members that should happen but they are still not the government |
It is relevant as he only this week attempted to call a General Election and has consistently said Labour were ready to govern. | | | |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:22 - Jan 17 with 2535 views | southnorfolkblue |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 15:54 - Jan 17 by xrayspecs |
Agreed.
He wants the UK out of the EU but does not want to appear to have his fingerprints on that outcome.
It is why he is maintaining he can negotiate a new and better deal with the EU. One which they are highly likely to reject even if he had the time to negotiate. |
I understand that people don’t want to leave without a deal, but I don’t think that the EU want that either. So why would Corbyn insist that the PM openly give up her strongest negotiating tool? Being cynical it’s because he wants the negotiation to fail so that he can try and push for another General Election.
Guy needs to stop playing games and look at the bigger picture. | |
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:24 - Jan 17 with 2532 views | Guthrum |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:06 - Jan 17 by No9 |
I'm not sure I get your point
The EU doesn't prohibit state investment as can be seen all over the EU |
I thought the EU objected on competitive grounds? Hence why we had trouble bailing out (the remnant of) British Steel. | |
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| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:31 - Jan 17 with 2508 views | No9 |
| So, What does JC actually want with regards to Brexit? on 16:24 - Jan 17 by Guthrum |
I thought the EU objected on competitive grounds? Hence why we had trouble bailing out (the remnant of) British Steel. |
The law regarding state aid is often misquoted or misused in the UK.
Don't forget in 2013 the UK handed out circa £93 Bn to industries in the UK some non UK / EU
circa £4bn to BT alone. Not to mention a lot of cash to Rail Companies owned by EU governments.
Offhand I can't recall the exact details of the steel issue but I do know other companies pressed the EU and handouts were allowed until the EU got to the Chinese to stop
But it is a bit more detailed than that.
Then there are the French nuke's | | | |
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