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Well strike me down with a damp rag 07:26 - Jan 31 with 3307 viewsjjblue84



If only we had clear talking like this in our own parliament!!
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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 07:41 - Jan 31 with 2234 viewsunstableblue

18 months of long detailed and gnarly negotiation between EU and UK. Centred on 3 key topics; one of which Northern Ireland. We - our government - agreed the deal.

And now we want to renegotiate - it’s mental. We fecked up our internal process.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 08:02 - Jan 31 with 2182 viewsCoastalblue

It's so easy to snipe from the sidelines when you have no fear of ever having to actually do anything to contribute.

We should have said to Farage, Boris and the rest of them "you got us to this point, now you can see through the process from here"

Instead they largely all ran away from it.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:09 - Jan 31 with 2087 viewsPinewoodblue

Strange how this didn't seem to be worthy of inclusion in the extensive news coverage of yesterday's events.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:12 - Jan 31 with 2074 viewsSwansea_Blue

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:09 - Jan 31 by Pinewoodblue

Strange how this didn't seem to be worthy of inclusion in the extensive news coverage of yesterday's events.


Probably because it’s total bollox

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:13 - Jan 31 with 2076 viewsGuthrum

This 'humiliation' consists of securing a negotiated withdrawal agreement (a thing few thought possible) which respects many of the UK's red lines (e.g. fisheries, Gibraltar, freedom of movement) and allows us to contnue enjoying many of the benefits of EU membership while negotiating favourable trade deals.

It has been rejected on the grounds that a relatively small number of hardliners are terrified of a contingency being triggered due to having failed within two years to negotiate the trade deals which we were assured (by those same people) would be so easy to put together. That and a bunch of Parliamentarians playing party political games.

The only real humiliation is for Farage and his ilk is that the EU are being so reasonable and threatening to stymie their dream of crashing out, cosying up to Trump, having a bonfire of regulations and making lots of money for their hedge funds.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:18 - Jan 31 with 2043 viewsSwansea_Blue

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:13 - Jan 31 by Guthrum

This 'humiliation' consists of securing a negotiated withdrawal agreement (a thing few thought possible) which respects many of the UK's red lines (e.g. fisheries, Gibraltar, freedom of movement) and allows us to contnue enjoying many of the benefits of EU membership while negotiating favourable trade deals.

It has been rejected on the grounds that a relatively small number of hardliners are terrified of a contingency being triggered due to having failed within two years to negotiate the trade deals which we were assured (by those same people) would be so easy to put together. That and a bunch of Parliamentarians playing party political games.

The only real humiliation is for Farage and his ilk is that the EU are being so reasonable and threatening to stymie their dream of crashing out, cosying up to Trump, having a bonfire of regulations and making lots of money for their hedge funds.


The only positive about all this mess is that Farage and his ilk will no longer be stealing a wage from the EU and be given a platform to embarrass us.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:21 - Jan 31 with 2024 viewsClapham_Junction



If only we had clear talking from journalists like this in our own media!
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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:26 - Jan 31 with 2009 viewsLord_Lucan

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 08:02 - Jan 31 by Coastalblue

It's so easy to snipe from the sidelines when you have no fear of ever having to actually do anything to contribute.

We should have said to Farage, Boris and the rest of them "you got us to this point, now you can see through the process from here"

Instead they largely all ran away from it.


I agree but Farage is in the position he is so that is all he can do. May did appoint Davis but he was forced to resign. They should only have had pro BREXIT MP's in the electoral process for PM.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:38 - Jan 31 with 1970 viewsPinewoodblue

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:13 - Jan 31 by Guthrum

This 'humiliation' consists of securing a negotiated withdrawal agreement (a thing few thought possible) which respects many of the UK's red lines (e.g. fisheries, Gibraltar, freedom of movement) and allows us to contnue enjoying many of the benefits of EU membership while negotiating favourable trade deals.

It has been rejected on the grounds that a relatively small number of hardliners are terrified of a contingency being triggered due to having failed within two years to negotiate the trade deals which we were assured (by those same people) would be so easy to put together. That and a bunch of Parliamentarians playing party political games.

The only real humiliation is for Farage and his ilk is that the EU are being so reasonable and threatening to stymie their dream of crashing out, cosying up to Trump, having a bonfire of regulations and making lots of money for their hedge funds.


Are there not reasonable concerns that fisheries would have to be given away to get French / Spanish agreement to a trade deal. The prospect of a trade deal are dependent on all 27 countries, plus the Belgian regions agreeing.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:44 - Jan 31 with 1938 viewsEdwardStone

Farage is a whiney gobsh*te

An utter bellend, endlessly spouting inflammatory nonsense for consumption by the hard of thinking
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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:45 - Jan 31 with 1928 viewschicoazul

Can someone aware me of the Article 24 he is talking about, the 2 year thing? It sounds reasonable.

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:46 - Jan 31 with 1926 viewsGuthrum

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:38 - Jan 31 by Pinewoodblue

Are there not reasonable concerns that fisheries would have to be given away to get French / Spanish agreement to a trade deal. The prospect of a trade deal are dependent on all 27 countries, plus the Belgian regions agreeing.


Possibly so, but that's not in May's withdrawal agreement and would be the case whatever future deal* we tried to do.

* And we would need one, even if we crash out on 29th March. The EU is our largest and geographically closest trading partner.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:50 - Jan 31 with 1897 viewsLord_Lucan

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:45 - Jan 31 by chicoazul

Can someone aware me of the Article 24 he is talking about, the 2 year thing? It sounds reasonable.


https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/region_e/region_art24_e.htm

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:50 - Jan 31 with 1897 viewsPinewoodblue

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:45 - Jan 31 by chicoazul

Can someone aware me of the Article 24 he is talking about, the 2 year thing? It sounds reasonable.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjW9_3q3pfgAhVDgxoKHcXO

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:55 - Jan 31 with 1861 viewsm14_blue

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:38 - Jan 31 by Pinewoodblue

Are there not reasonable concerns that fisheries would have to be given away to get French / Spanish agreement to a trade deal. The prospect of a trade deal are dependent on all 27 countries, plus the Belgian regions agreeing.


Nah, can't be.

This is going to be the easiest trade deal in history remember, German car companies won't allow anything else.
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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:56 - Jan 31 with 1857 viewsDanTheMan

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:45 - Jan 31 by chicoazul

Can someone aware me of the Article 24 he is talking about, the 2 year thing? It sounds reasonable.


It's all great if we are just talking physical goods.

But our economy is based on the service industry. The elephant in the room that is hard to talk about.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:02 - Jan 31 with 1823 viewsSteve_M

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:45 - Jan 31 by chicoazul

Can someone aware me of the Article 24 he is talking about, the 2 year thing? It sounds reasonable.


It's bollox though. Another semi-convincing myth from the IEA.

https://uktradeforum.net/2019/01/26/why-claims-about-a-wto-article-24-interim-ag

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:05 - Jan 31 with 1809 viewsGuthrum

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:26 - Jan 31 by Lord_Lucan

I agree but Farage is in the position he is so that is all he can do. May did appoint Davis but he was forced to resign. They should only have had pro BREXIT MP's in the electoral process for PM.


There were no pro-Brexit candidates who could also carry the support of the Party. All the people who potentially could have fulfilled those criteria in late 2016 had either furiously stabbed each other in the back or run away.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:08 - Jan 31 with 1788 viewsEireannach_gorm

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:21 - Jan 31 by Clapham_Junction



If only we had clear talking from journalists like this in our own media!


Claire Byrne IS a very good journalist. Farange is not so assured when challenged.
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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:10 - Jan 31 with 1784 viewschicoazul

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:45 - Jan 31 by chicoazul

Can someone aware me of the Article 24 he is talking about, the 2 year thing? It sounds reasonable.


Thank you boyos for all your answers.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:12 - Jan 31 with 1780 viewsLeagueOne

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 08:02 - Jan 31 by Coastalblue

It's so easy to snipe from the sidelines when you have no fear of ever having to actually do anything to contribute.

We should have said to Farage, Boris and the rest of them "you got us to this point, now you can see through the process from here"

Instead they largely all ran away from it.


in Farage's defence he's never been elected here but had the Government of the time asked him to be involved as you said, he probably would have but no politician would give him that kind of exposure and firepower as it would be detrimental to them to do so - as for stepping away from UKIP, it just shows his sanity given what they are up to now

It's time to make the best of it.
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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:15 - Jan 31 with 1763 viewsGuthrum

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 09:44 - Jan 31 by EdwardStone

Farage is a whiney gobsh*te

An utter bellend, endlessly spouting inflammatory nonsense for consumption by the hard of thinking


I didn't think you liked him that much.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:22 - Jan 31 with 1746 viewsLord_Lucan

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:05 - Jan 31 by Guthrum

There were no pro-Brexit candidates who could also carry the support of the Party. All the people who potentially could have fulfilled those criteria in late 2016 had either furiously stabbed each other in the back or run away.


But out of the five candidates, apart from May the only remainer was Stephen Crabb and he has always been a bit on the fence.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:38 - Jan 31 with 1701 viewsGuthrum

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:22 - Jan 31 by Lord_Lucan

But out of the five candidates, apart from May the only remainer was Stephen Crabb and he has always been a bit on the fence.


The Party didn't remotely want Fox, Crabb baled out, Gove only had the same small coterie voting for him and Leadsom had to withdraw after stupid comments. But throughout, May was getting by far and away the strongest support, polling 50% in the first round and 60% in the second.

Johnson was probably the only candidate who could have mounted a serious challenge. But he shied away at the critical moment, didn't try to tough his way through the Gove backstabbing incident.

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Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:42 - Jan 31 with 1683 viewsDanTheMan

Well strike me down with a damp rag on 10:02 - Jan 31 by Steve_M

It's bollox though. Another semi-convincing myth from the IEA.

https://uktradeforum.net/2019/01/26/why-claims-about-a-wto-article-24-interim-ag


Really interesting, thanks for posting.

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