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And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:11 - Feb 5 with 4943 viewsIpswichKnight

It's not really a surprise.
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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:13 - Feb 5 with 4934 viewsSteve_M

I'm going for four pages here with furious claims that that isn't what he meant then and definitely isn't still his position now.

Remember when all his fans painted him as someone better than other politicians, I would have more respect for him if he was public with his pro-Brexit views rather than the undignified farce of wanting Brexit but all the blame to sit with the Tories.
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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:23 - Feb 5 with 4907 viewsfooters

Corbyn doesn't like the EU. In other news, Pope sh1ts in woods.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:26 - Feb 5 with 4897 viewsBackToRussia

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:13 - Feb 5 by Steve_M

I'm going for four pages here with furious claims that that isn't what he meant then and definitely isn't still his position now.

Remember when all his fans painted him as someone better than other politicians, I would have more respect for him if he was public with his pro-Brexit views rather than the undignified farce of wanting Brexit but all the blame to sit with the Tories.
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Do we have a system where a party's leader's personal opinion must then translate into direct party policy then?

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:32 - Feb 5 with 4875 viewschicoazul

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:23 - Feb 5 by footers

Corbyn doesn't like the EU. In other news, Pope sh1ts in woods.


Exactl, this is not news, but like our man Steve says above you the trouble is his austere monks will double down on anyone who doubts the Maximum Leader feels differently now.

EDIT; no surprise that he is another of those plums who doesnt understand which one was the Doctor and which one was the Monster in Frankenstein though.
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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:35 - Feb 5 with 4860 viewsGuthrum

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:26 - Feb 5 by BackToRussia

Do we have a system where a party's leader's personal opinion must then translate into direct party policy then?


Pretty much*. That's why the whole structure (on both sides of the House) is under so much strain. There has finally come along an issue bigger than party loyalty.

* You can blame Thatcher and Blair, with their move from primus inter pares to full-on emperor, for that one.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:32 - Feb 5 by chicoazul

Exactl, this is not news, but like our man Steve says above you the trouble is his austere monks will double down on anyone who doubts the Maximum Leader feels differently now.

EDIT; no surprise that he is another of those plums who doesnt understand which one was the Doctor and which one was the Monster in Frankenstein though.
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Just not sure of the relevance really. Corbyn isn't the one negotiating with the EU- instead it's that vile Remainiac May...

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:37 - Feb 5 with 4852 viewsBackToRussia

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:35 - Feb 5 by Guthrum

Pretty much*. That's why the whole structure (on both sides of the House) is under so much strain. There has finally come along an issue bigger than party loyalty.

* You can blame Thatcher and Blair, with their move from primus inter pares to full-on emperor, for that one.


So it's a conservative trend? Not really surprising that Corbyn is trying to make his party more democratic and representative of its base, then?

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:37 - Feb 5 with 4846 viewsBackToRussia

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:36 - Feb 5 by footers

Just not sure of the relevance really. Corbyn isn't the one negotiating with the EU- instead it's that vile Remainiac May...


He also spoke to the IRA once.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:41 - Feb 5 with 4837 viewschicoazul

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:37 - Feb 5 by BackToRussia

He also spoke to the IRA once.


Yes. But stalled for ages on speaking with the Wicked Tories over the most important political decision of 50 years.

I have it in commission, to comfort the feeble-minded, and to support the weak. You must needs go along with us; we will wait for you, we will lend you our help, we will deny ourselves of some things, both opinionated and practical, for your sake; we will not enter into doubtful disputations before you, we will be made all things to you, rather than you shall be left behind
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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:42 - Feb 5 with 4831 viewschicoazul

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:37 - Feb 5 by BackToRussia

So it's a conservative trend? Not really surprising that Corbyn is trying to make his party more democratic and representative of its base, then?


looooooooool at Blair = conservative, still so funny how so many people fell for that one.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:42 - Feb 5 with 4826 viewsBluefish

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:13 - Feb 5 by Steve_M

I'm going for four pages here with furious claims that that isn't what he meant then and definitely isn't still his position now.

Remember when all his fans painted him as someone better than other politicians, I would have more respect for him if he was public with his pro-Brexit views rather than the undignified farce of wanting Brexit but all the blame to sit with the Tories.
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Principled man or absolute puppet?

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:42 - Feb 5 with 4827 viewsGuthrum

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:36 - Feb 5 by footers

Just not sure of the relevance really. Corbyn isn't the one negotiating with the EU- instead it's that vile Remainiac May...


The problem currently is that the Labour Party are merely operating as a negative blockage in the House. Without support from the opposite benches, May cannot hope to overcome the No-Deal or Remainer wings of her own party. Without the Scottish seats lost in 2015, Labour cannot hope to win an election and impose their own vision of Brexit.

Impasse.

Of course, Corbyn as much as May is trying to hold his party together against the centrifugal forces of this issue. But while this carries on, the country is heading towards a cliff-edge without adequate preparation for what happens next (even that was blocked by Parliament).

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:44 - Feb 5 with 4808 viewsBluefish

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:26 - Feb 5 by BackToRussia

Do we have a system where a party's leader's personal opinion must then translate into direct party policy then?


To the children that support him it was all about him. To the older Labour voters it is a different matter but his groundswell has been all about him.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:46 - Feb 5 with 4797 viewsGuthrum

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:37 - Feb 5 by BackToRussia

So it's a conservative trend? Not really surprising that Corbyn is trying to make his party more democratic and representative of its base, then?


Is he? What is the opinion of the Labour membership on Brexit - where does the majority lie?

There seem to be a lot making noise in favour of remain or soft Brexit, yet his policy (of doing nothing to help, merely hindering any government initiative) is producing the opposite effect.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:52 - Feb 5 with 4768 viewsBackToRussia

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:46 - Feb 5 by Guthrum

Is he? What is the opinion of the Labour membership on Brexit - where does the majority lie?

There seem to be a lot making noise in favour of remain or soft Brexit, yet his policy (of doing nothing to help, merely hindering any government initiative) is producing the opposite effect.


"When you factor in this uncertainty, the figures for how each party’s seats voted changes a bit. By this count, 62% of Conservative seats voted Leave, with 21% uncertain and 17% Remain. Labour’s seats, meanwhile, voted 56% Leave, 8% uncertain, and 36% Remain."

taken from https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majority-conservative-and-labour-constituencies-

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:53 - Feb 5 with 4766 viewschicoazul

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:52 - Feb 5 by BackToRussia

"When you factor in this uncertainty, the figures for how each party’s seats voted changes a bit. By this count, 62% of Conservative seats voted Leave, with 21% uncertain and 17% Remain. Labour’s seats, meanwhile, voted 56% Leave, 8% uncertain, and 36% Remain."

taken from https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majority-conservative-and-labour-constituencies-


He said membership.

I have it in commission, to comfort the feeble-minded, and to support the weak. You must needs go along with us; we will wait for you, we will lend you our help, we will deny ourselves of some things, both opinionated and practical, for your sake; we will not enter into doubtful disputations before you, we will be made all things to you, rather than you shall be left behind
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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 10:03 - Feb 5 with 4740 viewsSteve_M

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:26 - Feb 5 by BackToRussia

Do we have a system where a party's leader's personal opinion must then translate into direct party policy then?


Well, that's ultimately Labour's Brexit policy. It's more Seamus Milne's than Corbyn's though.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 10:04 - Feb 5 with 4739 viewsGuthrum

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:53 - Feb 5 by chicoazul

He said membership.


That's the problem with a rigid, unchanging party structure. The views of the membership (or, more often, the leadership) are imposed on the electorate - through limitation of choice - rather than vice versa.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 10:06 - Feb 5 with 4737 viewsSteve_M

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 09:52 - Feb 5 by BackToRussia

"When you factor in this uncertainty, the figures for how each party’s seats voted changes a bit. By this count, 62% of Conservative seats voted Leave, with 21% uncertain and 17% Remain. Labour’s seats, meanwhile, voted 56% Leave, 8% uncertain, and 36% Remain."

taken from https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majority-conservative-and-labour-constituencies-


That Labour constituencies voted Leave do not necessarily mean Labour voters in those constituencies voted Leave.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 10:07 - Feb 5 with 4730 viewsBackToRussia

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 10:06 - Feb 5 by Steve_M

That Labour constituencies voted Leave do not necessarily mean Labour voters in those constituencies voted Leave.


Yes, but there's clearly a split even so. Enough to warrant an ambivalent position I'd say.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 10:11 - Feb 5 with 4718 viewsGuthrum

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 10:07 - Feb 5 by BackToRussia

Yes, but there's clearly a split even so. Enough to warrant an ambivalent position I'd say.


What is the point of a political party if you are prepared to abdicate all responsibility and leadership in order to keep it together? I has lost all usefulness and merely become a self-perpetuating entity, jobs for the boys.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 10:13 - Feb 5 with 4706 viewsSteve_M

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 10:07 - Feb 5 by BackToRussia

Yes, but there's clearly a split even so. Enough to warrant an ambivalent position I'd say.


Hang on, three posts ago you were saying Labour policy should be based on what its members wanted. On the EU that's unambiguous.

And an ambivalent position isn't good enough for something that will define this country for decades. A genuine opposition would be pushing the government constantly on Brexit, nailing the obvious falsehoods peddled daily in the media and demonstrating that they were fit and ready, and indeed a better alternative, for government. Being ambivalent does none of these.

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another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 10:28 - Feb 5 with 4669 viewsBackToRussia

another brexiteer comes out of the woodwork on 10:13 - Feb 5 by Steve_M

Hang on, three posts ago you were saying Labour policy should be based on what its members wanted. On the EU that's unambiguous.

And an ambivalent position isn't good enough for something that will define this country for decades. A genuine opposition would be pushing the government constantly on Brexit, nailing the obvious falsehoods peddled daily in the media and demonstrating that they were fit and ready, and indeed a better alternative, for government. Being ambivalent does none of these.


Unambiguous how? Labour seats voted Leave. And the membership? Even if Remain sentiments have a healthy majority, you still have the 20-40 percent of members who want to leave. Hardly clear cut.

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He also spoke to the IRA once.


More than once. He also shared a platform with an IRA terrorist who was in the run for murdering a member of the British security services, stood for a minute’s silence for 8 IRA bombers shot dead by the British army whilst attempting to murder civilians and protested outside of the trial of the Brighton bomber.

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