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Other awful ITFC seasons 16:50 - Feb 5 with 4629 viewsWarkTheWarkITFC

2016-17 - 16th (2nd Tier)

Our lowest finish since 1958-59 (58 years earlier)

46 games
13 wins
55 points
28% win ratio
1.2 points per game


2001-02 - 18th (1st Tier)

Awful season as we all recall, UEFA Cup and little Marcus Bent inspired run after Christmas aside.

38 games
9 wins
36 points
24% win ratio
0.95 points per game


1994-95 - 20th (1st Tier)

The year we became a laughing stock with a 9-0 defeat that has never been eclipsed in the Premier League era. A strange season where we won more games than we drew, whilst finishing bottom.

42 games
7 wins
27 points
17% win rate
0.64 points per game


1985-86 - 20th (1st Tier)

The end of an era. Sob.

42 games
11 wins
41 points
26% win ratio
0.98 points per game


1963-64 - 22nd (1st Tier)

The Champions dismantled.

42 games
9 wins
25 points
21% win ratio
0.6 points per game

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2018-19 - ??? (2nd Tier)

30 games
3 wins
18 points
10% win ratio
0.6 points per game


This current Town team we know is the worst in terms of talent that we have had for 60 years.

But to put it properly into context, the gutless shower that lost to Manchester United 9-0 in the most humiliating of seasons had a win rate of almost double this side, despite being in the Premier League.

We also have a worse points per game ratio than that side.

We are actually a worse Championship side than that team was a Premier League team in terms of wins and points.

This is statistically the worst ITFC side ever if we continue the season in the exact same manner. EVER!

Quite incredible.

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 17:31 - Feb 5 with 3894 viewsSteve_M

16-17 wasn't awful an awful season though, just meh.

I thought 94-95 wouldn't be beaten for awfulness but it looks very likely now. 01-02 in many ways was worse, that unnecessary relegation is the major factor in why the last 17 years have been so crap.

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 19:41 - Feb 5 with 3788 viewspablovian

With 48 points from the final 42 games (1.14 ppg) and only 4 points in 8 games between March 13th and April 24th, the 2017/18 season felt a lot worse than a 12th place, mid-table finish would suggest.

Subtract Waghorn, Garner, McGoldrick, Celina, Connolly, Webster and Carter-Vickers from that team, then project the finish in 2018/2019 ...
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Other awful ITFC seasons on 21:43 - Feb 5 with 3685 viewsSteve_M

Other awful ITFC seasons on 19:41 - Feb 5 by pablovian

With 48 points from the final 42 games (1.14 ppg) and only 4 points in 8 games between March 13th and April 24th, the 2017/18 season felt a lot worse than a 12th place, mid-table finish would suggest.

Subtract Waghorn, Garner, McGoldrick, Celina, Connolly, Webster and Carter-Vickers from that team, then project the finish in 2018/2019 ...


Not counting the guest four games of s season because they make your argument look better is utterly ridiculous. Yes, the second half of last season was faurly crap but we were still far, far better than this season.

Most of us would kill for that sort of rubbish at the moment.

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 21:50 - Feb 5 with 3676 viewsMelford

Other awful ITFC seasons on 17:31 - Feb 5 by Steve_M

16-17 wasn't awful an awful season though, just meh.

I thought 94-95 wouldn't be beaten for awfulness but it looks very likely now. 01-02 in many ways was worse, that unnecessary relegation is the major factor in why the last 17 years have been so crap.


But 94-95 was Premier League, in that season we beat Man Utd at home and Liverpool away. That season was sh!t but there were a few pearls amongst the massive dunghill.

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 21:57 - Feb 5 with 3664 viewsBluefish

05-06 Was worse then 16-17 because of the level we had consistently been at. It was the shocking start if the bad times. We had finished 15th x 3, 14th and 13th before the 16th in 2017. 2006 followed years of relative success.

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 22:14 - Feb 5 with 3614 viewsolimar

Other awful ITFC seasons on 21:50 - Feb 5 by Melford

But 94-95 was Premier League, in that season we beat Man Utd at home and Liverpool away. That season was sh!t but there were a few pearls amongst the massive dunghill.


The fact it was in the PL doesnt really make a difference- yes, the opposition would have been better, but so would our team.
Our expectations that season were probably relatively low, given that we escaped relegation in the last seconds of the previous season. But we fell well below them.
Id say our expectations for this season werent all that high, but probably better than in that season and we are, currently, aiming to be considerably even worse.

But youre right, there were some weirdly amazing high spots in that season!

Does this mean we will beat Norwich on Sunday?


(No)
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Other awful ITFC seasons on 22:54 - Feb 5 with 3571 viewsMelford

Other awful ITFC seasons on 22:14 - Feb 5 by olimar

The fact it was in the PL doesnt really make a difference- yes, the opposition would have been better, but so would our team.
Our expectations that season were probably relatively low, given that we escaped relegation in the last seconds of the previous season. But we fell well below them.
Id say our expectations for this season werent all that high, but probably better than in that season and we are, currently, aiming to be considerably even worse.

But youre right, there were some weirdly amazing high spots in that season!

Does this mean we will beat Norwich on Sunday?


(No)


I've got more chance of getting a blow job from the Pope than we have getting 3 points on Sunday. 4 or 5 nil.

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 23:39 - Feb 5 with 3531 viewsbournemouthblue

A very good post, in actual fact despite mediocrity under Evans we have generally avoided a serious relegation battle even though both Keane and Jewell did their best to make it happen

We have generally over the last 60 years or so had it pretty good with some successes in there and not a vast amount of disasters, truth be told

Our troughs have never really been that deep whilst our peaks have been pretty good

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 23:40 - Feb 5 with 3526 viewsbournemouthblue

Other awful ITFC seasons on 21:43 - Feb 5 by Steve_M

Not counting the guest four games of s season because they make your argument look better is utterly ridiculous. Yes, the second half of last season was faurly crap but we were still far, far better than this season.

Most of us would kill for that sort of rubbish at the moment.


that's the kind of mediocrity we aspire to

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 23:43 - Feb 5 with 3521 viewsbournemouthblue

Other awful ITFC seasons on 21:57 - Feb 5 by Bluefish

05-06 Was worse then 16-17 because of the level we had consistently been at. It was the shocking start if the bad times. We had finished 15th x 3, 14th and 13th before the 16th in 2017. 2006 followed years of relative success.


Losing Bent, Kuqi, Miller and Davis curtailed any chance of us being competitive for several seasons

It took us another decade to make the play-offs again

You have to say that Evans sacking Magilton was a mistake, although like MM it was probably Magilton's time to go. Keane was never going to be the answer, we could have done with appointing someone like McCarthy to replace him then

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 01:06 - Feb 6 with 3472 viewsMach_foreignBlue

Other awful ITFC seasons on 21:57 - Feb 5 by Bluefish

05-06 Was worse then 16-17 because of the level we had consistently been at. It was the shocking start if the bad times. We had finished 15th x 3, 14th and 13th before the 16th in 2017. 2006 followed years of relative success.


No, it's wrong from you and this is a ridiculous view.

16/17 was distinctly worse. We would have been relegated but for the moments of brilliance from Lawrence and incredible saves from Bialkowski. The team was poor so was mccarthy. Allowing Murphy to go and replacing him Best, yes well done mccarthy !

Prior to 2005/06 our best manager since 2002 in Joe Royle lost 4 key players so given that 15th finish was kind of achievement.
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Other awful ITFC seasons on 05:43 - Feb 6 with 3419 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Other awful ITFC seasons on 21:43 - Feb 5 by Steve_M

Not counting the guest four games of s season because they make your argument look better is utterly ridiculous. Yes, the second half of last season was faurly crap but we were still far, far better than this season.

Most of us would kill for that sort of rubbish at the moment.


If we’re lucky we may get to 4 wins to exclude from this seasons total too

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 05:43 - Feb 6 with 3415 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Other awful ITFC seasons on 01:06 - Feb 6 by Mach_foreignBlue

No, it's wrong from you and this is a ridiculous view.

16/17 was distinctly worse. We would have been relegated but for the moments of brilliance from Lawrence and incredible saves from Bialkowski. The team was poor so was mccarthy. Allowing Murphy to go and replacing him Best, yes well done mccarthy !

Prior to 2005/06 our best manager since 2002 in Joe Royle lost 4 key players so given that 15th finish was kind of achievement.


Yeah, Leon Best was definitely McCarthy’s first choice to replace Murphy...

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 05:50 - Feb 6 with 3406 viewsBenters2

Other awful ITFC seasons on 01:06 - Feb 6 by Mach_foreignBlue

No, it's wrong from you and this is a ridiculous view.

16/17 was distinctly worse. We would have been relegated but for the moments of brilliance from Lawrence and incredible saves from Bialkowski. The team was poor so was mccarthy. Allowing Murphy to go and replacing him Best, yes well done mccarthy !

Prior to 2005/06 our best manager since 2002 in Joe Royle lost 4 key players so given that 15th finish was kind of achievement.


Even though Mick Mac said we were in a relegation battle that season,the HCs will never have the fact that we were.

You are bang on Mach.
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Other awful ITFC seasons on 06:00 - Feb 6 with 3391 viewsBenters2

We need a Guthrum happy table to appear and quickly..

Jeez that is crap!
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Other awful ITFC seasons on 06:10 - Feb 6 with 3385 viewsBluefish

Other awful ITFC seasons on 01:06 - Feb 6 by Mach_foreignBlue

No, it's wrong from you and this is a ridiculous view.

16/17 was distinctly worse. We would have been relegated but for the moments of brilliance from Lawrence and incredible saves from Bialkowski. The team was poor so was mccarthy. Allowing Murphy to go and replacing him Best, yes well done mccarthy !

Prior to 2005/06 our best manager since 2002 in Joe Royle lost 4 key players so given that 15th finish was kind of achievement.


So we managed 1 extra point and it was an achievement despite our recent successes. 2017 was a disaster though because a loanee played well and our goalkeeper played well? Why don't they count as part of the squad? Jimmy Juan played well on loan too, does he count? Leon Best obviously counts as a shocker, do Mark Fish or Adam Proudlock or Sam Parkin count as well? Utter ridiculous to say 2017 is so much worse than 2006, the difference was 1 point but the starting point was massive, we would have been far more fancied for promotion or to 10 in 2006 than we were in 2017

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 08:46 - Feb 6 with 3301 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Other awful ITFC seasons on 06:10 - Feb 6 by Bluefish

So we managed 1 extra point and it was an achievement despite our recent successes. 2017 was a disaster though because a loanee played well and our goalkeeper played well? Why don't they count as part of the squad? Jimmy Juan played well on loan too, does he count? Leon Best obviously counts as a shocker, do Mark Fish or Adam Proudlock or Sam Parkin count as well? Utter ridiculous to say 2017 is so much worse than 2006, the difference was 1 point but the starting point was massive, we would have been far more fancied for promotion or to 10 in 2006 than we were in 2017


Alternative controversial view

Both were poor seasons in otherwise successful reigns for our two longest serving managers this millennium. Caused mostly by key players being sold and not replaced, owing to the financial situations the managers were operating under

Crazy talk I know

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 21:43 - Feb 5 by Steve_M

Not counting the guest four games of s season because they make your argument look better is utterly ridiculous. Yes, the second half of last season was faurly crap but we were still far, far better than this season.

Most of us would kill for that sort of rubbish at the moment.


We'd won more games by the 19th August last season than we have so far this season and we are in February - the 18 points we have this year were clocked up in style as we smashed Sunderland on the 26th September

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 08:59 - Feb 6 with 3273 viewsSteve_M

Other awful ITFC seasons on 08:50 - Feb 6 by itfcjoe

We'd won more games by the 19th August last season than we have so far this season and we are in February - the 18 points we have this year were clocked up in style as we smashed Sunderland on the 26th September


Yes, I was thinking about this at the weekend. It took us eleven days to win four matches last season. One bad performance on Boxing Day and the first half of the season counted for nothing with rather a lot of fans.

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 09:01 - Feb 6 with 3271 viewsGlebeTractor

Other awful ITFC seasons on 22:54 - Feb 5 by Melford

I've got more chance of getting a blow job from the Pope than we have getting 3 points on Sunday. 4 or 5 nil.


I'm sure that could be sorted.
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Other awful ITFC seasons on 11:56 - Feb 6 with 3180 viewsMach_foreignBlue

Other awful ITFC seasons on 06:10 - Feb 6 by Bluefish

So we managed 1 extra point and it was an achievement despite our recent successes. 2017 was a disaster though because a loanee played well and our goalkeeper played well? Why don't they count as part of the squad? Jimmy Juan played well on loan too, does he count? Leon Best obviously counts as a shocker, do Mark Fish or Adam Proudlock or Sam Parkin count as well? Utter ridiculous to say 2017 is so much worse than 2006, the difference was 1 point but the starting point was massive, we would have been far more fancied for promotion or to 10 in 2006 than we were in 2017


Yes the loanee and keeper playing exceptionally well in 2017 are the part of the squad but it is their contributions and saved us from relegation. Not the 'genius' of mccarthy. He had two really exceptional players whereas in 2006 no-one had stood out as much as them two in 2017.

Once again prior to 2005/06 the manager lost 4 key players so what did you expect? Top 6? Not to be involved in the relegation battle was commendable.

All problems started with Royles successor as Magilton signed many useless journeymen and overpacked the midfield.
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Other awful ITFC seasons on 12:30 - Feb 6 with 3130 viewsBluefish

Other awful ITFC seasons on 11:56 - Feb 6 by Mach_foreignBlue

Yes the loanee and keeper playing exceptionally well in 2017 are the part of the squad but it is their contributions and saved us from relegation. Not the 'genius' of mccarthy. He had two really exceptional players whereas in 2006 no-one had stood out as much as them two in 2017.

Once again prior to 2005/06 the manager lost 4 key players so what did you expect? Top 6? Not to be involved in the relegation battle was commendable.

All problems started with Royles successor as Magilton signed many useless journeymen and overpacked the midfield.
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If is a pointless conversation. Nothing is Royle's fault in your eyes but everything is Mick's fault and none of the credit for good stuff goes to Mick. They finished 1 point apart ffs and Mick did it in the era of parachute payments
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Other awful ITFC seasons on 11:56 - Feb 6 by Mach_foreignBlue

Yes the loanee and keeper playing exceptionally well in 2017 are the part of the squad but it is their contributions and saved us from relegation. Not the 'genius' of mccarthy. He had two really exceptional players whereas in 2006 no-one had stood out as much as them two in 2017.

Once again prior to 2005/06 the manager lost 4 key players so what did you expect? Top 6? Not to be involved in the relegation battle was commendable.

All problems started with Royles successor as Magilton signed many useless journeymen and overpacked the midfield.
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It’s a strange world where saying 2 players that McCarthy signed to play for us kept us up is a criticism of him...

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Other awful ITFC seasons on 12:58 - Feb 6 with 3100 viewsMach_foreignBlue

Other awful ITFC seasons on 12:30 - Feb 6 by Bluefish

If is a pointless conversation. Nothing is Royle's fault in your eyes but everything is Mick's fault and none of the credit for good stuff goes to Mick. They finished 1 point apart ffs and Mick did it in the era of parachute payments
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They finished 1 point apart indeed however completely contrasting view from you regarding both and Royle lost 4 key players. Get familiar with the facts please, if mccarthy had lost 4 key players you would have mentioned that at every opportunity.

Royle has been our best manager since 2002 so it's hardly something wrong with him. You clearly insult him by your criticism.

It was Magilton who started the rot at this club by wasting the money. You should know before you start slating Royle.
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Other awful ITFC seasons on 13:03 - Feb 6 with 3085 viewsWarkTheWarkITFC

Other awful ITFC seasons on 12:33 - Feb 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

It’s a strange world where saying 2 players that McCarthy signed to play for us kept us up is a criticism of him...


I think what people mean to try and suggest, although they seem to offer struggle, is that McCarthy didn't have so much a decent team, but often had one absolute stand out that transformed us.

Murphy scored 27 goals and we just scraped into the play offs. With an average Championship striker that team didn't make it.

Bart had a season where he probably single handedly got us an extra 20 points, when no other player came close to such an individual contribution.

Tom Lawrence scored worldie after worldie in a season where we'd have been down without him.

I fully concur McCarthy signed these players, but I think with nearly every other side in the league this season doing well, Leeds, Norwich, Sheffield United, they are great TEAMS.

You could argue that Mick got very lucky that in three straight seasons we had one player who was out of this world and propelled us to a much greater level than the team would have done if that one player was to be absent.

Plenty of teams have star players, but few are so reliant on one person making their season. McCarthy could be hailed a genius for building a squad that made the most of Murphy, but a genius doesn't build something that relies on one component that could not be replaced if it were to break or lose function.

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