| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:14 - Feb 14 with 1898 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:08 - Feb 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
In the fight for a united Ireland people on both sides died.....isn't it obvious that is what he is saying......maybe you are too keen to go down the ridicule route at times. |
He was at a pro republican event where a minute’s silence was observed for the 8 IRA bombers shot dead whilst trying to blow up a police station. In comemerating the 8 IRA bombers he said “I am always happy to comemerate those who died for an independent Ireland”
I’m fed up of repeating myself.
If he was at a pro unionist event where a minute’s silence was held for UDA terrorists and he said he was always happy to commemorate those who died fighting for Northern Ireland to remain in the U.K. its would be obvious he was supporting the UDA. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 21:18]
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:14 - Feb 14 by GlasgowBlue |
He was at a pro republican event where a minute’s silence was observed for the 8 IRA bombers shot dead whilst trying to blow up a police station. In comemerating the 8 IRA bombers he said “I am always happy to comemerate those who died for an independent Ireland”
I’m fed up of repeating myself.
If he was at a pro unionist event where a minute’s silence was held for UDA terrorists and he said he was always happy to commemorate those who died fighting for Northern Ireland to remain in the U.K. its would be obvious he was supporting the UDA. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 21:18]
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Hard to disagree with your interpretation.
I saw something the other day which referenced 'Corbyn's army of keyboard warriors'. I thought of Zed. |  | | |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:25 - Feb 14 with 1873 views | Footballpete |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:14 - Feb 14 by GlasgowBlue |
He was at a pro republican event where a minute’s silence was observed for the 8 IRA bombers shot dead whilst trying to blow up a police station. In comemerating the 8 IRA bombers he said “I am always happy to comemerate those who died for an independent Ireland”
I’m fed up of repeating myself.
If he was at a pro unionist event where a minute’s silence was held for UDA terrorists and he said he was always happy to commemorate those who died fighting for Northern Ireland to remain in the U.K. its would be obvious he was supporting the UDA. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 21:18]
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I like you GB but “I’m fed up of repeating yourself” is the most dishonest thing you’ve ever posted on here. You love repeating yourself, so much so you have a photographic memory of everything you’ve posted in the last decade. |  |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:30 - Feb 14 with 1861 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:14 - Feb 14 by GlasgowBlue |
He was at a pro republican event where a minute’s silence was observed for the 8 IRA bombers shot dead whilst trying to blow up a police station. In comemerating the 8 IRA bombers he said “I am always happy to comemerate those who died for an independent Ireland”
I’m fed up of repeating myself.
If he was at a pro unionist event where a minute’s silence was held for UDA terrorists and he said he was always happy to commemorate those who died fighting for Northern Ireland to remain in the U.K. its would be obvious he was supporting the UDA. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 21:18]
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And yet you tried to belittle Dollers by claiming he thought this.......
"No it doesn't you numpty. The side they were fighting did not believe in a united Ireland."
....is that the sound of goalposts shifting! |  |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:36 - Feb 14 with 1850 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:30 - Feb 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
And yet you tried to belittle Dollers by claiming he thought this.......
"No it doesn't you numpty. The side they were fighting did not believe in a united Ireland."
....is that the sound of goalposts shifting! |
Dear me.
IRA - United Ireland
Unionists - United Kingdom
The side the IRA were fighting (the Brits) did not fight for a United Ireland. That was the IRA. How bloody hard is this? | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:38 - Feb 14 with 1846 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:25 - Feb 14 by Footballpete |
I like you GB but “I’m fed up of repeating yourself” is the most dishonest thing you’ve ever posted on here. You love repeating yourself, so much so you have a photographic memory of everything you’ve posted in the last decade. |
I really don’t. It would be much easier to point at an apple, say this is an apple and others agree this is an apple.
It can be tiring pointing at an apple, saying this is an apple and having people reply, no this is a banana.
I can’t help having a very good memory. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 21:39]
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:42 - Feb 14 with 1834 views | BrixtonBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:36 - Feb 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Dear me.
IRA - United Ireland
Unionists - United Kingdom
The side the IRA were fighting (the Brits) did not fight for a United Ireland. That was the IRA. How bloody hard is this? |
I took it to mean united as in united in peace.
But you carry on throwing insults if you like. |  |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:49 - Feb 14 with 1822 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:42 - Feb 14 by BrixtonBlue |
I took it to mean united as in united in peace.
But you carry on throwing insults if you like. |
Seamus Mallon, one of the men behind the peace that we have today, had this to say about Corbyn and the claims he was working for peace: “I never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all. He very clearly took the side of the IRA and that was incompatible, in my opinion, with working for peace.”
Former IRA member Sean O’Callaghan said “IRA men and women, many young and hopelessly politically naive, derived great encouragement from the solidarity openly displayed by Corbyn, McDonnell and their associates. I know. I was there. I witnessed the effect. They might not have pulled a trigger or planted a bomb but they certainly made it easier for those who did. By boosting our morale, they prolonged the violence and without a doubt for that, have blood on their own hands." | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 22:06 - Feb 14 with 1808 views | Footballpete |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:38 - Feb 14 by GlasgowBlue |
I really don’t. It would be much easier to point at an apple, say this is an apple and others agree this is an apple.
It can be tiring pointing at an apple, saying this is an apple and having people reply, no this is a banana.
I can’t help having a very good memory. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 21:39]
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See, there you go again with your Beatles references. It was a light hearted comment. | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 22:12 - Feb 14 with 1796 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 22:06 - Feb 14 by Footballpete |
See, there you go again with your Beatles references. It was a light hearted comment. |
Boy I’m gonna carry that weight a long time. | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 22:20 - Feb 14 with 1784 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:36 - Feb 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Dear me.
IRA - United Ireland
Unionists - United Kingdom
The side the IRA were fighting (the Brits) did not fight for a United Ireland. That was the IRA. How bloody hard is this? |
Ok so you actually thought that Dolly thinks tgat the British army were fighting for a united Ireland got it.......apples are bananas! | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 07:52 - Feb 15 with 1713 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 15:09 - Feb 14 by footers |
And we are products of ours. In a modern context I would call some of his actions villainous, but overall not a complete villain. I mean, saving Britain from the Nazis was pretty cool. |
Once again Andrew Neil calls it
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 08:24 - Feb 15 with 1695 views | BrixtonBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:49 - Feb 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Seamus Mallon, one of the men behind the peace that we have today, had this to say about Corbyn and the claims he was working for peace: “I never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all. He very clearly took the side of the IRA and that was incompatible, in my opinion, with working for peace.”
Former IRA member Sean O’Callaghan said “IRA men and women, many young and hopelessly politically naive, derived great encouragement from the solidarity openly displayed by Corbyn, McDonnell and their associates. I know. I was there. I witnessed the effect. They might not have pulled a trigger or planted a bomb but they certainly made it easier for those who did. By boosting our morale, they prolonged the violence and without a doubt for that, have blood on their own hands." |
I love the irony of a former IRA member saying Corbyn has blood on his hands.
And that for you the words of a former IRA member carry more weight than Corbyn, who wasn't a member of the IRA.
In your desperation to smear Corbyn you're using the words of an actual terrorist.
No apology for your earlier insults either. You seem like a decent bloke in real life, why are you such an arrse on here? | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 08:25 - Feb 15 with 1692 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 08:24 - Feb 15 by BrixtonBlue |
I love the irony of a former IRA member saying Corbyn has blood on his hands.
And that for you the words of a former IRA member carry more weight than Corbyn, who wasn't a member of the IRA.
In your desperation to smear Corbyn you're using the words of an actual terrorist.
No apology for your earlier insults either. You seem like a decent bloke in real life, why are you such an arrse on here? |
And a complete swerve of the Seamus Mallon comments.
Oh and O’Callaghan's comments are entirely relevant seeing as he was involved. He was also a double agent working to defeat the IRA on behalf of the Irish government. Former Irish Prime Minister Garret FitzGerald described O'Callaghan as one of the Irish Government's most important spies operating within the Provisional IRA during the late 20th Century's paramilitary war in Ulster.
But what would he know eh?
So we have a former member of the IRA who was acting as a double agent for the Irish government and Seamus Mallon, one of the architects of the Northern Ireland peace process, both saying Corbyn was an IRA supporter.
We also have Corbyn himself attending pro IRA events, observing a minute's silence for 8 dead IRA bombers and in his own words saying he is happy to commemorate those who died fighting for a united Ireland. The event’s 1986 programme declared: ‘Force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united socialist Ireland.’
We also have Corbyn arrested outside of the Old Bailey whilst protesting in support of the Brighton Bomber, who murdered 5 people in 1985. And we have Corbyn Corbyn putting up £20,000 of his own money to stand bail for Roisin McAliskey, an IRA terror suspect facing extradition to Germany, where authorities wished to prosecute her for killing a soldier’s wife during a mortar attack on a UK army base.
Sorry dollers but he was clearly pro IRA. To constantly defend him over this does not reflect well on you art all. Take off those rose tinted spectacles.
edit. And I apologise for my derogatory comments. I honestly thought that you would enter this debate with at least a modicum of understanding of the subject and was shocked that you thought both sides were fighting for a united and independent Ireland. I certainly wouldn't defend someone based on nothing but blind faith.
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 10:18 - Feb 15 with 1640 views | BrixtonBlue |
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And a complete swerve of the Seamus Mallon comments.
Oh and O’Callaghan's comments are entirely relevant seeing as he was involved. He was also a double agent working to defeat the IRA on behalf of the Irish government. Former Irish Prime Minister Garret FitzGerald described O'Callaghan as one of the Irish Government's most important spies operating within the Provisional IRA during the late 20th Century's paramilitary war in Ulster.
But what would he know eh?
So we have a former member of the IRA who was acting as a double agent for the Irish government and Seamus Mallon, one of the architects of the Northern Ireland peace process, both saying Corbyn was an IRA supporter.
We also have Corbyn himself attending pro IRA events, observing a minute's silence for 8 dead IRA bombers and in his own words saying he is happy to commemorate those who died fighting for a united Ireland. The event’s 1986 programme declared: ‘Force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united socialist Ireland.’
We also have Corbyn arrested outside of the Old Bailey whilst protesting in support of the Brighton Bomber, who murdered 5 people in 1985. And we have Corbyn Corbyn putting up £20,000 of his own money to stand bail for Roisin McAliskey, an IRA terror suspect facing extradition to Germany, where authorities wished to prosecute her for killing a soldier’s wife during a mortar attack on a UK army base.
Sorry dollers but he was clearly pro IRA. To constantly defend him over this does not reflect well on you art all. Take off those rose tinted spectacles.
edit. And I apologise for my derogatory comments. I honestly thought that you would enter this debate with at least a modicum of understanding of the subject and was shocked that you thought both sides were fighting for a united and independent Ireland. I certainly wouldn't defend someone based on nothing but blind faith.
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I didn't swerve Mallon's quote, I just see no point commenting on it for the umpteenth time.
You've picked two people. I could easily find quotes talking about Corbyn being a man of peace. I don't know if these people have, like you, an anti-Corbyn agenda. If I had the time and inclination I might delve deeper. But I do find it interesting that a man with ACTUAL blood on his hands describes someone metaphorically having it because he "boosted morale" through his support. What nonsense. You think the IRA would've lost heart without it?
And your apology is worthless given it's repeating what you got wrong and I've already explained. Amazing. Anyway, I have work to do. | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 10:50 - Feb 15 with 1620 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 10:18 - Feb 15 by BrixtonBlue |
I didn't swerve Mallon's quote, I just see no point commenting on it for the umpteenth time.
You've picked two people. I could easily find quotes talking about Corbyn being a man of peace. I don't know if these people have, like you, an anti-Corbyn agenda. If I had the time and inclination I might delve deeper. But I do find it interesting that a man with ACTUAL blood on his hands describes someone metaphorically having it because he "boosted morale" through his support. What nonsense. You think the IRA would've lost heart without it?
And your apology is worthless given it's repeating what you got wrong and I've already explained. Amazing. Anyway, I have work to do. |
"You've picked two people. I could easily find quotes talking about Corbyn being a man of peace."
I picked Seamus Mallon, one of the architects of the peace process in Northern Ireland, and Sean O'Callaghan, former member of the IRA who was a double agent working for the Irish government and was described by former Irish Prime Minister Garret FitzGerald as one of the Irish Government's most important spies operating within the Provisional IRA during the late 20th Century's paramilitary war in Ulster.
I've placed Corbyn at pro IRA events, honouring IRA bombers. I've placed Corbyn outside the Old Bailey in 1986, protesting in support of the Brighton bomber, a man who murdered 5 people with his explosives in 1985. I've also named Corbyn as somebody who put up £20,000 of his own money to stand bail for Roisin McAliskey, an IRA terror suspect facing extradition to Germany, where authorities wished to prosecute her for killing a soldier’s wife during a mortar attack on a UK army base.
And your head is still firmly in the sand. This is bordering on cult like worship from you mate. | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 12:43 - Feb 15 with 1584 views | ZedRodgers |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 21:17 - Feb 14 by Championship |
Hard to disagree with your interpretation.
I saw something the other day which referenced 'Corbyn's army of keyboard warriors'. I thought of Zed. |
Awwww bless.
I never think of you. |  |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 12:47 - Feb 15 with 1577 views | Championship |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 12:43 - Feb 15 by ZedRodgers |
Awwww bless.
I never think of you. |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 12:51 - Feb 15 with 1568 views | BrixtonBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 10:50 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue |
"You've picked two people. I could easily find quotes talking about Corbyn being a man of peace."
I picked Seamus Mallon, one of the architects of the peace process in Northern Ireland, and Sean O'Callaghan, former member of the IRA who was a double agent working for the Irish government and was described by former Irish Prime Minister Garret FitzGerald as one of the Irish Government's most important spies operating within the Provisional IRA during the late 20th Century's paramilitary war in Ulster.
I've placed Corbyn at pro IRA events, honouring IRA bombers. I've placed Corbyn outside the Old Bailey in 1986, protesting in support of the Brighton bomber, a man who murdered 5 people with his explosives in 1985. I've also named Corbyn as somebody who put up £20,000 of his own money to stand bail for Roisin McAliskey, an IRA terror suspect facing extradition to Germany, where authorities wished to prosecute her for killing a soldier’s wife during a mortar attack on a UK army base.
And your head is still firmly in the sand. This is bordering on cult like worship from you mate. |
If I "cult like worship" then you are the flip side of that coin. You post about 10 Corbyn posts for every 1 of mine. | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 12:53 - Feb 15 with 1563 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 12:51 - Feb 15 by BrixtonBlue |
If I "cult like worship" then you are the flip side of that coin. You post about 10 Corbyn posts for every 1 of mine. |
You are correct. I am the flip side of that coin. You defend a racist terrorist sympathiser. I condemn him.
One day we will both look back on this and the opposite sides that we took. [Post edited 15 Feb 2019 13:02]
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 13:13 - Feb 15 with 1556 views | ZedRodgers |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 10:50 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue |
"You've picked two people. I could easily find quotes talking about Corbyn being a man of peace."
I picked Seamus Mallon, one of the architects of the peace process in Northern Ireland, and Sean O'Callaghan, former member of the IRA who was a double agent working for the Irish government and was described by former Irish Prime Minister Garret FitzGerald as one of the Irish Government's most important spies operating within the Provisional IRA during the late 20th Century's paramilitary war in Ulster.
I've placed Corbyn at pro IRA events, honouring IRA bombers. I've placed Corbyn outside the Old Bailey in 1986, protesting in support of the Brighton bomber, a man who murdered 5 people with his explosives in 1985. I've also named Corbyn as somebody who put up £20,000 of his own money to stand bail for Roisin McAliskey, an IRA terror suspect facing extradition to Germany, where authorities wished to prosecute her for killing a soldier’s wife during a mortar attack on a UK army base.
And your head is still firmly in the sand. This is bordering on cult like worship from you mate. |
Here we go again on Glassers' fact distortion merry-go-round.
Roisin McAliskey was heavily pregnant at the time Germany were trying to extradite her. There has been absolutely zero evidence to suggest the investigation into her was based on anything more than her family name. Disagree? Feel free to prove otherwise.
Labelling her as an IRA terror suspect may fit your pathetic narrative here, but it is highly misleading. After "...wished to prosecute her for killing a soldier's wife", you should have acknowledged that McAliskey was found to have been imprisoned without any charges for 18 months and that when the Crown Prosecution Service looked into whether they should prosecute her in the UK, they conceded that there were no grounds or evidence to connect her with any offences at all.
Her extradition was vetoed by the Labour government of the time due to her pregnancy. You're implying that Corbyn single-handily tried to fund a terrorist's escape from justice. You can do better than this.
Much like you're politicisation of antisemitism, this kind of distortion of facts only detracts from any legitimate points you've made. | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 13:24 - Feb 15 with 1548 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 13:13 - Feb 15 by ZedRodgers |
Here we go again on Glassers' fact distortion merry-go-round.
Roisin McAliskey was heavily pregnant at the time Germany were trying to extradite her. There has been absolutely zero evidence to suggest the investigation into her was based on anything more than her family name. Disagree? Feel free to prove otherwise.
Labelling her as an IRA terror suspect may fit your pathetic narrative here, but it is highly misleading. After "...wished to prosecute her for killing a soldier's wife", you should have acknowledged that McAliskey was found to have been imprisoned without any charges for 18 months and that when the Crown Prosecution Service looked into whether they should prosecute her in the UK, they conceded that there were no grounds or evidence to connect her with any offences at all.
Her extradition was vetoed by the Labour government of the time due to her pregnancy. You're implying that Corbyn single-handily tried to fund a terrorist's escape from justice. You can do better than this.
Much like you're politicisation of antisemitism, this kind of distortion of facts only detracts from any legitimate points you've made. |
She was an IRA terror suspect who the German police wanted extradited to face trial. Her extradition was not denied because of lack of evidence but on health grounds.
I note you have ignored all the other points raised in my post. | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 13:31 - Feb 15 with 1529 views | ZedRodgers |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 12:53 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue |
You are correct. I am the flip side of that coin. You defend a racist terrorist sympathiser. I condemn him.
One day we will both look back on this and the opposite sides that we took. [Post edited 15 Feb 2019 13:02]
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Just a heads up...
It's things like calling the leader of the opposition a racist terrorist sympathiser that result in a lot of people questioning the credibility of the 'facts' you feel that you need to broadcast to us all on a regular basis.
You may be able to dig through the internet for long enough to find something you can distort and reshape to fit your narrative, but your principal rhetoric is exposed when you lose your rag with somebody calling out your hypocrisy.
That principal rhetoric is that Corbyn is a racist terrorist sympathiser and that all efforts must focused on telling others why this is reality and not political fantasy. You have nothing to prove that he is a racist and nothing to prove that he sympathises with acts of terror. | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 13:36 - Feb 15 with 1519 views | ZedRodgers |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 13:24 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue |
She was an IRA terror suspect who the German police wanted extradited to face trial. Her extradition was not denied because of lack of evidence but on health grounds.
I note you have ignored all the other points raised in my post. |
Yes it was.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/freedom-for-mcaliskey-and-her-baby-1149324.ht
"The Home Office statement issued last night said: "[Mr Straw] considers the medical evidence in her case would make the extradition unjust or oppressive"
Does this make Jack Straw a terrorist sympathiser? | |
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| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 13:39 - Feb 15 with 1513 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John McDonnell really trying to appeal to the masses again on 13:31 - Feb 15 by ZedRodgers |
Just a heads up...
It's things like calling the leader of the opposition a racist terrorist sympathiser that result in a lot of people questioning the credibility of the 'facts' you feel that you need to broadcast to us all on a regular basis.
You may be able to dig through the internet for long enough to find something you can distort and reshape to fit your narrative, but your principal rhetoric is exposed when you lose your rag with somebody calling out your hypocrisy.
That principal rhetoric is that Corbyn is a racist terrorist sympathiser and that all efforts must focused on telling others why this is reality and not political fantasy. You have nothing to prove that he is a racist and nothing to prove that he sympathises with acts of terror. |
Thanks for the advice but I know what he is. As does the former head of the Race Relations Board, Sir Trevor Phillips, who said that his party is now lead by racists and antisemites. As does one of the architects of the Northern Ireland peace process, Seamus Mallon, who said Corbyn clearly took the side of the IRA.
He has sided with terrorists all of his political life. From his "friends" and "brothers" in Hamas to the IRA.
I'll leave it there. | |
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