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Nationalisation of transport and power and wealth distribution gains control of the people. It is scary. I would love to see reform in the rail industry but Corbyn seems to want to turn us into China and anyone that disagrees will be silenced and ostracized
Yep when he gets in he's going to implement a football posts only decree!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
There really isn't much difference except you like one and don't like the other and that it serves your purposes to portray the incidents differently.
Maybe if you read the board rather than posting whatever the fact sheet from central office is that day you'd notice when the respected members of the board start taking issue with your posts.
SB
Do you admit though that in that particular clip that Joan Ryan is wrong with her accusations of anti-semitism against the other woman?
Show some respect, you really are blinkered. Where have you shown any for the magnificent 7 (8 now and how many more)?
Since the split was announced, of the 8 Labour MP’s that have broken away Zed has made the following digs:
- Mike Gapes described as the ‘MP for Riyadh’ - Highlighting that Gavin Shuker threatened to leave the party if they supported gay marriage and worked for a gay cure charity, then called him a ‘pathetic c*nt’ - Going in on Angela Smith after her TV gaffe and pushing the suggestion that she is actually racist - Suggesting Joan Ryan has done more to fuel anti-semitism than any other recent MP
This after insisting on Tuesday that none of the defecting MP’s have been subject to attacks
Presumably Momentum central office will issue instructions for the other 4 in due course
Highlighting crass stupidity since sometime around 2010
Since the split was announced, of the 8 Labour MP’s that have broken away Zed has made the following digs:
- Mike Gapes described as the ‘MP for Riyadh’ - Highlighting that Gavin Shuker threatened to leave the party if they supported gay marriage and worked for a gay cure charity, then called him a ‘pathetic c*nt’ - Going in on Angela Smith after her TV gaffe and pushing the suggestion that she is actually racist - Suggesting Joan Ryan has done more to fuel anti-semitism than any other recent MP
This after insisting on Tuesday that none of the defecting MP’s have been subject to attacks
Presumably Momentum central office will issue instructions for the other 4 in due course
As a conspiracy theory Zed could be in the employ of Phil and Gav to drive up clicks on the site.
Do you admit though that in that particular clip that Joan Ryan is wrong with her accusations of anti-semitism against the other woman?
I'd love someone to actually address this point but unfortunately it seems that not addressing it is pretty key to the position people have built up over the last few months and years.
I'd love someone to actually address this point but unfortunately it seems that not addressing it is pretty key to the position people have built up over the last few months and years.
Exactly, they simply cannot address it.
It's insane and it's only one way traffic with them i'm afraid.
So many times on this forum have i read various posters admit that yes, Labour has had a problem with anti-semitism but when it's the other side of the coin with fabricated claims of anti-semitism then the usual suspects run off with their tails between their legs and their heads firmly up their arses so they can avoid the uncomfortable viewing of a then Labour Mp and Chair of the LFI caught fabricating such claims.
It's insane and it's only one way traffic with them i'm afraid.
So many times on this forum have i read various posters admit that yes, Labour has had a problem with anti-semitism but when it's the other side of the coin with fabricated claims of anti-semitism then the usual suspects run off with their tails between their legs and their heads firmly up their arses so they can avoid the uncomfortable viewing of a then Labour Mp and Chair of the LFI caught fabricating such claims.
[Post edited 20 Feb 2019 14:02]
What's particularly annoying is being accused of saying that "antisemitism is all made up". When I've been consistent from the start that antisemitism is real but that it also can be made up and weaponised. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
And I've even been smeared as an antisemite for saying that. Joan Ryanism is a nasty disease that is apparently highly contagious.
What's particularly annoying is being accused of saying that "antisemitism is all made up". When I've been consistent from the start that antisemitism is real but that it also can be made up and weaponised. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
And I've even been smeared as an antisemite for saying that. Joan Ryanism is a nasty disease that is apparently highly contagious.
I really don't get it, why can't they just admit it?
That, yes, some claims of anti-semitism have been fabricated.
Why can't they just admit what is revealed in the clip?
I really don't get it, why can't they just admit it?
That, yes, some claims of anti-semitism have been fabricated.
Why can't they just admit what is revealed in the clip?
[Post edited 20 Feb 2019 20:30]
Because if you pull at that thread the whole fabric of the argument falls apart and becomes something more than the desire to eradicate antisemitism, which everyone should support.
Because if you pull at that thread the whole fabric of the argument falls apart and becomes something more than the desire to eradicate antisemitism, which everyone should support.
Or perhaps because, as I've now been told, it's an hour long video and I'm at work and not going to watch it here.
Whether that claim is spurious or not does not change the fact that Labour has a problem with anti-semitism which has been amply evidenced again this week. See Chris Williamson claiming it's all fabricated yet again.
Still, you two carry on patting each other on the back and keep demonstrating the virtue of my original point to you on this thread. You are desperately keen to downplay this.
Personally I would like to have mainstream political parties that didn't pander to the extremes and weren't lead by incompetents.
Or perhaps because, as I've now been told, it's an hour long video and I'm at work and not going to watch it here.
Whether that claim is spurious or not does not change the fact that Labour has a problem with anti-semitism which has been amply evidenced again this week. See Chris Williamson claiming it's all fabricated yet again.
Still, you two carry on patting each other on the back and keep demonstrating the virtue of my original point to you on this thread. You are desperately keen to downplay this.
Personally I would like to have mainstream political parties that didn't pander to the extremes and weren't lead by incompetents.
Sorry, Steve. But none of that addresses what we're saying. And the last line seems to be what you're unwittingly (as you haven't seen the evidence up to now even though it's been around for months and months on here and elsewhere) propping up by taking accusations of institutional antisemitism as read.
We probably agree about what an awful political landscape this is but the extremes and the incompetence are everywhere. Avoiding responsibility, spreading the blame and getting accusations to stick whether they're true or not is apparently the new battleground.
Edit: and you can watch the Joan Ryan incident in ten minutes if you look at part 3 in this thread and go to 7 min 45 seconds in.
Or perhaps because, as I've now been told, it's an hour long video and I'm at work and not going to watch it here.
Whether that claim is spurious or not does not change the fact that Labour has a problem with anti-semitism which has been amply evidenced again this week. See Chris Williamson claiming it's all fabricated yet again.
Still, you two carry on patting each other on the back and keep demonstrating the virtue of my original point to you on this thread. You are desperately keen to downplay this.
Personally I would like to have mainstream political parties that didn't pander to the extremes and weren't lead by incompetents.
"Whether that claim is spurious or not does not change the fact that Labour has a problem with anti-semitism which has been amply evidenced again this week."
This is key, Steve.
You're right - It doesn't change the fact that there's a problem with antisemitism. It adds to it, unnecessarily.
No, not at the moment
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The exact opposite surely (n/t) on 15:05 - Feb 20 with 2349 views
Sorry, Steve. But none of that addresses what we're saying. And the last line seems to be what you're unwittingly (as you haven't seen the evidence up to now even though it's been around for months and months on here and elsewhere) propping up by taking accusations of institutional antisemitism as read.
We probably agree about what an awful political landscape this is but the extremes and the incompetence are everywhere. Avoiding responsibility, spreading the blame and getting accusations to stick whether they're true or not is apparently the new battleground.
Edit: and you can watch the Joan Ryan incident in ten minutes if you look at part 3 in this thread and go to 7 min 45 seconds in.
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But I'm not basing my claims about anti-semitiism on one source, rather on a whole flood of evidence over a number of years. It's clear to any who aren't determined to deny it.
But I'm not basing my claims about anti-semitiism on one source, rather on a whole flood of evidence over a number of years. It's clear to any who aren't determined to deny it.
[Post edited 20 Feb 2019 16:05]
Neither am I.
But I am questioning why this is a witchhunt about antisemitism levels that we already knew existed but are now politically convenient to put at Corbyn's door. That's why the approach of Joan Ryan as a leading campaigner against Corbyn on this score needs to be considered when such damning evidence comes to light. Ditto the accusations of institutional antisemitism from Hodge, Mann, Berger and Smeeth amongst others that have been taken as read, despite not showing that when examined more closely.
I can't believe that people are so uncritical of this particular narrative when it's clear that the political class and media just can't be trusted to be objective in other areas, but especially where they think there's political capital to be made or when it comes to the open season on Corbyn for everything from exaggerations of his politics to insinuations that he's a terrorist, spy, puppy-murderer etc. Add in the dubious activity of the Israeli embassy and the powerful pro-Israel lobby and it's insane to take this particular narrative at face value.
And frankly I have to question the agenda of people who do take it at face value or who refuse to consider other evidence before arriving at their black and white conclusion.
Sorry, Steve. But none of that addresses what we're saying. And the last line seems to be what you're unwittingly (as you haven't seen the evidence up to now even though it's been around for months and months on here and elsewhere) propping up by taking accusations of institutional antisemitism as read.
We probably agree about what an awful political landscape this is but the extremes and the incompetence are everywhere. Avoiding responsibility, spreading the blame and getting accusations to stick whether they're true or not is apparently the new battleground.
Edit: and you can watch the Joan Ryan incident in ten minutes if you look at part 3 in this thread and go to 7 min 45 seconds in.
[Post edited 20 Feb 2019 14:42]
Thanks for keeping telling me you care, lowers. xxx
Personally, I'm looking forward to you addressing this at some stage because you'll make a pig's ear of it as per.
Since the split was announced, of the 8 Labour MP’s that have broken away Zed has made the following digs:
- Mike Gapes described as the ‘MP for Riyadh’ - Highlighting that Gavin Shuker threatened to leave the party if they supported gay marriage and worked for a gay cure charity, then called him a ‘pathetic c*nt’ - Going in on Angela Smith after her TV gaffe and pushing the suggestion that she is actually racist - Suggesting Joan Ryan has done more to fuel anti-semitism than any other recent MP
This after insisting on Tuesday that none of the defecting MP’s have been subject to attacks
Presumably Momentum central office will issue instructions for the other 4 in due course
I have issues with all 8 of them. Issues that predate any mention of a breakaway.
Something they all have in common is an appalling record at local level. Some of their bad relationships with their CLP's pre-date Corbyn's leadership. Take Leslie for example. He's your typical 'never seen in his constituency' MP.
Our statement from Nottingham East Constituency Labour Party on the recent announcement that @ChrisLeslieMP has left the Labour Party. pic.twitter.com/KgJMsvcmYm
I have issues with all 8 of them. Issues that predate any mention of a breakaway.
Something they all have in common is an appalling record at local level. Some of their bad relationships with their CLP's pre-date Corbyn's leadership. Take Leslie for example. He's your typical 'never seen in his constituency' MP.
Our statement from Nottingham East Constituency Labour Party on the recent announcement that @ChrisLeslieMP has left the Labour Party. pic.twitter.com/KgJMsvcmYm
But I am questioning why this is a witchhunt about antisemitism levels that we already knew existed but are now politically convenient to put at Corbyn's door. That's why the approach of Joan Ryan as a leading campaigner against Corbyn on this score needs to be considered when such damning evidence comes to light. Ditto the accusations of institutional antisemitism from Hodge, Mann, Berger and Smeeth amongst others that have been taken as read, despite not showing that when examined more closely.
I can't believe that people are so uncritical of this particular narrative when it's clear that the political class and media just can't be trusted to be objective in other areas, but especially where they think there's political capital to be made or when it comes to the open season on Corbyn for everything from exaggerations of his politics to insinuations that he's a terrorist, spy, puppy-murderer etc. Add in the dubious activity of the Israeli embassy and the powerful pro-Israel lobby and it's insane to take this particular narrative at face value.
And frankly I have to question the agenda of people who do take it at face value or who refuse to consider other evidence before arriving at their black and white conclusion.
i don't know why i'm bothering because you seem unable to grasp it.
anti-semitism in the labour party has snowballed since 2015 because of the people corbyn has attracted into the party. corbyn's politics are essentially those of a pro-palestinian clique. all he really cares about is a particular take on foreign policy in which the us, the uk, Israel and nato are evil imperialists and every one else is an oppressed hero. he has - particularly as chair of the 'stop the war coalition' - sided with every despot and dictactor going and he has excused and justified any challenge to the west. he has been close to and politically aligned to all sorts of anti-semites and conspiracy nutters because they share his world view on foreign affairs. he is close to those people, he excuses their quirks like holocaust denial or anti-semitism, and a lot of them have now followed him into the labour party. he has refused to take effective action against anti-semitism because it would put him in conflict with those who support him most and with whom he has his longest associations.
anti-semitism is therefore a problem in the party that corbyn's leadership has caused to multiply a 100 fold.
you share corbyn's world view on foreign affairs and therefore you, like corbyn, want to deny, dismiss and turn a blind eye to anti-semitism. you do it constantly and it has become you motif on here.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
i don't know why i'm bothering because you seem unable to grasp it.
anti-semitism in the labour party has snowballed since 2015 because of the people corbyn has attracted into the party. corbyn's politics are essentially those of a pro-palestinian clique. all he really cares about is a particular take on foreign policy in which the us, the uk, Israel and nato are evil imperialists and every one else is an oppressed hero. he has - particularly as chair of the 'stop the war coalition' - sided with every despot and dictactor going and he has excused and justified any challenge to the west. he has been close to and politically aligned to all sorts of anti-semites and conspiracy nutters because they share his world view on foreign affairs. he is close to those people, he excuses their quirks like holocaust denial or anti-semitism, and a lot of them have now followed him into the labour party. he has refused to take effective action against anti-semitism because it would put him in conflict with those who support him most and with whom he has his longest associations.
anti-semitism is therefore a problem in the party that corbyn's leadership has caused to multiply a 100 fold.
you share corbyn's world view on foreign affairs and therefore you, like corbyn, want to deny, dismiss and turn a blind eye to anti-semitism. you do it constantly and it has become you motif on here.
Has it snowballed? Or is antisemitism now being attached often clumsily to Corbyn with comments like "in Corbyn's name"? Is this just a continuation of pro-Palestinians automatically being called antisemites? Anyway, I've seen what you think about this before.
If you can spare the minutes to repeat yourself then you can spare the minutes to stop avoiding the point about Ryan.
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