| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum 09:51 - Feb 20 with 10056 views | Bluefish |
And I find it very strange. Why have so many people become so overexcited about it all? Why is it taking up so much news time? In the general scheme of things it isn't really that important. |  |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:13 - Feb 20 with 3195 views | Bluefish |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:08 - Feb 20 by crunchie1978 |
No it's just that 'normal rational' people would prefer NOT to get run over by a truck or stabbed in the neck whilst trying to enjoy a civilized meal. |
To my knowledge she has never run over anyone or stabbed them in the neck. What on earth are you talking about? | |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:14 - Feb 20 with 3188 views | 26_Paz |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:13 - Feb 20 by Bluefish |
To my knowledge she has never run over anyone or stabbed them in the neck. What on earth are you talking about? |
The group she is an unapologetic member of has ... |  |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:15 - Feb 20 with 3187 views | footers |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:13 - Feb 20 by Bluefish |
To my knowledge she has never run over anyone or stabbed them in the neck. What on earth are you talking about? |
Crunchie's political musings just go over our heads I guess! Maybe it's because we didn't take the Telling It Like It Is course at the University of Life? |  |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:16 - Feb 20 with 3185 views | Bluefish |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:14 - Feb 20 by 26_Paz |
The group she is an unapologetic member of has ... |
Again do we throw out all far right supporters if they kill someone? Must be able to connect them all via supporting UKIP or the EDL we can kick everyone out that has ever voted or support either if one of their members stabs someone. | |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:17 - Feb 20 with 3177 views | Kieran_Knows |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 09:57 - Feb 20 by chicoazul |
I believe the right thing to do would have been to bring her back her to answer for her crimes if indeed she is alleged to have committed any. |
Chic, just to counter act this again (my apologies - and again, in no way am I trying to stir anything here, or to cause argument), are we suggesting that, should she be found innocent of any wrongdoing, that it's still okay to flee the country and live under ISIS law for the last 4 years?
A lot of grey areas in this for me, and I'm quite interested as to how it all pans out. |  |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:17 - Feb 20 with 3177 views | Bluefish |
A coincidence? Well depends how you look at it. The fighters have surrendered so there are lots of them to send home, does that count as coincidence or just natural course of events? | |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:21 - Feb 20 with 3158 views | Bluefish |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:17 - Feb 20 by Kieran_Knows |
Chic, just to counter act this again (my apologies - and again, in no way am I trying to stir anything here, or to cause argument), are we suggesting that, should she be found innocent of any wrongdoing, that it's still okay to flee the country and live under ISIS law for the last 4 years?
A lot of grey areas in this for me, and I'm quite interested as to how it all pans out. |
Can those 2 things go together? She is either guilty of supporting a terrorist group or she isn't. If she is found innocent then she should be free | |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:24 - Feb 20 with 3133 views | 26_Paz |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:21 - Feb 20 by Bluefish |
Can those 2 things go together? She is either guilty of supporting a terrorist group or she isn't. If she is found innocent then she should be free |
How could she possibly be found innocent of supporting a terrorist group. SHE LEFT THIS COUNTRY AND JOINED ISIS | |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:28 - Feb 20 with 3113 views | Bluefish |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:24 - Feb 20 by 26_Paz |
How could she possibly be found innocent of supporting a terrorist group. SHE LEFT THIS COUNTRY AND JOINED ISIS |
That is for the trial to decide. Best to ask Tommy why we wait for the outcome of trials and don't predetermined them. Maybe she has just been on a long holiday in Turkey? | |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:29 - Feb 20 with 3112 views | clive_baker |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 11:30 - Feb 20 by Reuser_is_God |
Gammon.
Or something like that. |
Seems we fit into a strange category of both massive racist gammon's and also snowflakes for not wanting to sit on a bus next to a girl that wants to lop my head off or blow my kid up at a concert. |  |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:31 - Feb 20 with 3090 views | Bluefish |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:29 - Feb 20 by clive_baker |
Seems we fit into a strange category of both massive racist gammon's and also snowflakes for not wanting to sit on a bus next to a girl that wants to lop my head off or blow my kid up at a concert. |
Again she hasn't done either of those things and if she is found guilty of supporting those acts then she will go to jail. Do you take bus trips regularly around jails?
I also don't want to sit on a bus next to people that spread racial hatred in this country but we aren't kicking them out or the people that might support them. | |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:32 - Feb 20 with 3086 views | jeera |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:29 - Feb 20 by clive_baker |
Seems we fit into a strange category of both massive racist gammon's and also snowflakes for not wanting to sit on a bus next to a girl that wants to lop my head off or blow my kid up at a concert. |
Not in my mind.
To me the problem is the "fecm 'em" approach just means someone else to have to face that instead, whilst we hide from our responsibility.
Saying "feck 'em" doesn't make them disappear. They will still exist.
I feel all detainees should face the law of their respective countries and any due consequences. |  |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:41 - Feb 20 with 3049 views | Swansea_Blue |
Seems Javid already had the answers to this. More fuel for the 'distraction / playing to the baying masses' theory.
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:42 - Feb 20 with 3040 views | 26_Paz |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:28 - Feb 20 by Bluefish |
That is for the trial to decide. Best to ask Tommy why we wait for the outcome of trials and don't predetermined them. Maybe she has just been on a long holiday in Turkey? |
Seriously, are you on drugs? She is married to an ISIS fighter and has 3 kids by him. She openly talks about seeing severed heads in bins. That doesn't happen in Turkey, mate. | |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:42 - Feb 20 with 3043 views | Superfrans |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 09:57 - Feb 20 by Reuser_is_God |
Because she’s ISIS scum & should be treated with disdain? |
So are 400 or so other ISIS fighters who have, apparently, been allowed to return to the UK in recent months.
The only difference with this girl is that she is in the public eye. |  |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:44 - Feb 20 with 3020 views | Bluefish |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:42 - Feb 20 by 26_Paz |
Seriously, are you on drugs? She is married to an ISIS fighter and has 3 kids by him. She openly talks about seeing severed heads in bins. That doesn't happen in Turkey, mate. |
Kids have vivid imaginations sometimes. Probably best to leave it to a court, I'm sure they will sort it | |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:45 - Feb 20 with 3019 views | crunchie1978 |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:15 - Feb 20 by footers |
Crunchie's political musings just go over our heads I guess! Maybe it's because we didn't take the Telling It Like It Is course at the University of Life? |
Actually there is one way I'd be fine with her returning....
A straight swap for Anna soubry! |  | | |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:45 - Feb 20 with 3017 views | 26_Paz |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:44 - Feb 20 by Bluefish |
Kids have vivid imaginations sometimes. Probably best to leave it to a court, I'm sure they will sort it |
They wont because, thankfully, she isn't coming back! | |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:47 - Feb 20 with 3009 views | Bluefish |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:45 - Feb 20 by 26_Paz |
They wont because, thankfully, she isn't coming back! |
She will be coming back | |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:58 - Feb 20 with 2985 views | earlsgreenblue |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:28 - Feb 20 by Bluefish |
That is for the trial to decide. Best to ask Tommy why we wait for the outcome of trials and don't predetermined them. Maybe she has just been on a long holiday in Turkey? |
By her own admission thats where she has been, a trial?, more wasted tax payers money, whatever the outcome & political / legal meanderings, she joined ISIS of her own free will, how did she fund the trip is a far more sensible question that needs answering? As for her father & his persuasions, look into that for some more answers. | | | |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 14:06 - Feb 20 with 2971 views | Bluefish |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 13:58 - Feb 20 by earlsgreenblue |
By her own admission thats where she has been, a trial?, more wasted tax payers money, whatever the outcome & political / legal meanderings, she joined ISIS of her own free will, how did she fund the trip is a far more sensible question that needs answering? As for her father & his persuasions, look into that for some more answers. |
We tend to put things to trial in this country opposed to trusting the recording of some audio by a foreign journalist. Strange that Tommy's lot have been banging on about not trust media audio for the past week or so and now we want to send people to jail based on it.
This doesn't mean anyone expects her to be innocent in case you are unsure. We just think a court should decide | |
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| Life is complex isn't it? on 15:56 - Feb 20 with 2933 views | Pendejo |
Not just black & white but many shades of grey; way more than 50.
She went in search of an ideal, a pure Islamic Caliphate, and found something else. She has stated she was disappointed by corruption. [She told The Times: “The caliphate is over. There was so much oppression and corruption that I don't think they deserved victory.] Was she a front line combatant? Has she committed any crimes?
What worries me was her saying she wasn't fazed by seeing beheading.
["But when I saw my first severed head in a bin it didn't faze me at all. It was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam. I thought only of what he would have done to a Muslim woman if he had the chance."]
So it's ok to behead enemies of Islam?
Define enemies of Islam?
Am I one because I profess no religion? Also, much of what has gone on with SIS has been sectarian, so enemies of "my" brand of Islam.
Regardless of what rights she has to other nationalities she should be brought back to the UK, if only to show that the British way is tolerance, understanding and forgiveness.
How many young girls with babies are there in camps across the Middle East and Africa [let alone the rest of the world] who didn't get the start to life this girl had and would be far more "deserving" of British support? |  |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 16:47 - Feb 20 with 2904 views | BlueBadger |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 10:57 - Feb 20 by clive_baker |
I'm annoyed it's had so much air time at all. There shouldn't even be a debate over it, she gave up any rights to British residency when she decided to join ISIS and fight against everything this country stands for. F*** her I say. Next... |
She 'decided' when she was 15. When she was a child. I'm guessing that there was a year or two's worth of grooming going on there as well. She SHOULD face trial for any illegal actions committed, submit to appropriate sentencing and undergo a thorough debrief so that counter-terrorism services can work better to prevent further children being groomed by extremist groups. |  |
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| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 17:51 - Feb 20 with 2881 views | lowhouseblue |
| My timeline is full of posts about Shamina Begum on 16:47 - Feb 20 by BlueBadger |
She 'decided' when she was 15. When she was a child. I'm guessing that there was a year or two's worth of grooming going on there as well. She SHOULD face trial for any illegal actions committed, submit to appropriate sentencing and undergo a thorough debrief so that counter-terrorism services can work better to prevent further children being groomed by extremist groups. |
and the welfare of her child should be the primary concern. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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