| Brexit predictions this week? 14:06 - Mar 11 with 7646 views | itfcjoe |
Another embarrassing loss for the PM tomorrow, and No Deal to be ruled out
Wouldn't surprise me if she pulls the vote tomorrow though, as she seems happy to just play chicken with this negotiation, the incompetent bloody minded fool |  |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:08 - Mar 11 with 3591 views | footers |
Extension voted through. Then an extension of the extension, then another, and then we all end up remaining. Happy days. |  |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:13 - Mar 11 with 3563 views | No9 |
Well, the 'Leaveon 20/03/19 is still on the statute and no one has laid any debate before the HoC to repeal that.
May is simply running the clock down. |  | | |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:21 - Mar 11 with 3551 views | Swansea_Blue |
It's being reported that she may change the vote tomorrow to be one on her deal + Cox's changes around the backstop. Or in other words may be asking the house to vote on something that doesn't yet exist (and may never exist if they don't make progress with the EU).
God knows what her game is unless she's had a nod from the EU side that they would be amenable to the changes, which is the opposite of everything they've said publically.
If she pulls the vote she'll surely lose the confidence of the House?
3 weeks to go and nobody has a clue what's going on. It's a f***ing mess. |  |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:26 - Mar 11 with 3527 views | ZedRodgers |
Difficult to make predictions at this stage. I would imagine May's deal will either be voted down or pulled. I think the vote on no deal would then also be rejected. Whether or not MPs vote to extend Article 50 at that point will be down to what's proposed as an alternative following May's deal / no deal being rejected.
One thing I can be certain of is that the Brexiteer loons will stoop even lower with their anti-EU falsehoods over the next few days. Esther McVey's tweet that member states would be forced to adopt the Euro in 2020 is just the tip of the iceberg. |  |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:26 - Mar 11 with 3526 views | Swansea_Blue |
Or in short:
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:28 - Mar 11 with 3517 views | CoachRob |
Can't see the Tories extending or revoking Article 50. Probably pull the vote and run the clock down some more hoping the EU change their minds. |  | | |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:30 - Mar 11 with 3512 views | ZedRodgers |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:21 - Mar 11 by Swansea_Blue |
It's being reported that she may change the vote tomorrow to be one on her deal + Cox's changes around the backstop. Or in other words may be asking the house to vote on something that doesn't yet exist (and may never exist if they don't make progress with the EU).
God knows what her game is unless she's had a nod from the EU side that they would be amenable to the changes, which is the opposite of everything they've said publically.
If she pulls the vote she'll surely lose the confidence of the House?
3 weeks to go and nobody has a clue what's going on. It's a f***ing mess. |
The frustrating thing is that she hasn't had the confidence of the house for a long time but there are now members on both sides of the house that would still support her in a confidence vote to selfishly avoid risking their jobs in a general election. | |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:30 - Mar 11 with 3505 views | factual_blue |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:08 - Mar 11 by footers |
Extension voted through. Then an extension of the extension, then another, and then we all end up remaining. Happy days. |
This.
End of. |  |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:30 - Mar 11 with 3509 views | Steve_M |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:21 - Mar 11 by Swansea_Blue |
It's being reported that she may change the vote tomorrow to be one on her deal + Cox's changes around the backstop. Or in other words may be asking the house to vote on something that doesn't yet exist (and may never exist if they don't make progress with the EU).
God knows what her game is unless she's had a nod from the EU side that they would be amenable to the changes, which is the opposite of everything they've said publically.
If she pulls the vote she'll surely lose the confidence of the House?
3 weeks to go and nobody has a clue what's going on. It's a f***ing mess. |
Her game is exactly the same as it always has been: deny reality and push the entire country to the brink of catastrophe. It's incredibly irresponsible and has real consequences for business with every day of this farce. |  |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:32 - Mar 11 with 3503 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:30 - Mar 11 by ZedRodgers |
The frustrating thing is that she hasn't had the confidence of the house for a long time but there are now members on both sides of the house that would still support her in a confidence vote to selfishly avoid risking their jobs in a general election. |
True. We've been there in the fairly recent past haven't we. Sorry, I was probably thinking about what might happen in a normally functioning parliament! | |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:34 - Mar 11 with 3494 views | hampstead_blue |
May quits/forced out.
Hunt takes over.
We leave the EU after a short extension to allow Hunt to renegotiate. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:45 - Mar 11 with 3455 views | SomethingBlue |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:34 - Mar 11 by hampstead_blue |
May quits/forced out.
Hunt takes over.
We leave the EU after a short extension to allow Hunt to renegotiate. |
It's like a fashion parade of dangerous charlatans, isn't it. | |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:47 - Mar 11 with 3455 views | pickles110564 |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:13 - Mar 11 by No9 |
Well, the 'Leaveon 20/03/19 is still on the statute and no one has laid any debate before the HoC to repeal that.
May is simply running the clock down. |
Why would she do that? She is a remainer and does not want to leave, I just do not understand how that will get her what she wants? |  | | |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:51 - Mar 11 with 3436 views | chicoazul |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:08 - Mar 11 by footers |
Extension voted through. Then an extension of the extension, then another, and then we all end up remaining. Happy days. |
I'd be amazed if they let us stay on the same terms though.
It could be that in a few months or a year or so we are aggressively negotiating with them to Remain instead of aggressively negotiating with them to Leave. |  |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:56 - Mar 11 with 3421 views | homer_123 |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:51 - Mar 11 by chicoazul |
I'd be amazed if they let us stay on the same terms though.
It could be that in a few months or a year or so we are aggressively negotiating with them to Remain instead of aggressively negotiating with them to Leave. |
They don't actually have a choice.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46481643
Whether we'd then have the same influence in the EU going forward is another matter entirely. |  |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:57 - Mar 11 with 3416 views | footers |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 14:51 - Mar 11 by chicoazul |
I'd be amazed if they let us stay on the same terms though.
It could be that in a few months or a year or so we are aggressively negotiating with them to Remain instead of aggressively negotiating with them to Leave. |
What choice would they have? Our terms are set out already. They'd be seen as being hugely unfair if they were to punish us should we end up remaining. | |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 15:06 - Mar 11 with 3380 views | Steve_M |
On your latter point, the reality is that the UK has shown itself to be a deeply unserious country at the moment. We've lost influence globally no matter happens now with Brexit in the next few weeks.
That can be rebuilt as indeed our relationship with other EU states can be rebuilt, whether we stay a member of the EU or nor, but it will take hard work and genuine effort rather than the snide, lazy playing to the gallery at home that so many politicians specialise in.
In the still unlikely event that the UK revoke Article 50 then I think the country might want a different relationship with the EU. Certainly there is now a committed pro-membership part of the public in a way that didn't exist before because too many people - me included - took that relationship for granted. And by a different relationship, I don't mean further integration but a more honest appraisal of 21st century reality for a small state. | |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 15:13 - Mar 11 with 3363 views | homer_123 |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 15:06 - Mar 11 by Steve_M |
On your latter point, the reality is that the UK has shown itself to be a deeply unserious country at the moment. We've lost influence globally no matter happens now with Brexit in the next few weeks.
That can be rebuilt as indeed our relationship with other EU states can be rebuilt, whether we stay a member of the EU or nor, but it will take hard work and genuine effort rather than the snide, lazy playing to the gallery at home that so many politicians specialise in.
In the still unlikely event that the UK revoke Article 50 then I think the country might want a different relationship with the EU. Certainly there is now a committed pro-membership part of the public in a way that didn't exist before because too many people - me included - took that relationship for granted. And by a different relationship, I don't mean further integration but a more honest appraisal of 21st century reality for a small state. |
I think that you are spot on there Steve.
Question: And by a different relationship, I don't mean further integration but a more honest appraisal of 21st century reality for a small state.
'Small state' are you referring to us here? | |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 15:40 - Mar 11 with 3326 views | Steve_M |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 15:13 - Mar 11 by homer_123 |
I think that you are spot on there Steve.
Question: And by a different relationship, I don't mean further integration but a more honest appraisal of 21st century reality for a small state.
'Small state' are you referring to us here? |
Medium-sized former great power is probably more accurate but it was a bit too long. I don't think that much of the political or media establishment has a realistic view of the UK's size.
It's clear that one strand of Brexit thinking does encompass nostalgia for Empire and a different world, probably not one that ever existed but a child's history book view of the Victorian age. That's not as prevalent though as the lack of realism about the UK's current place in the world. A rational country would debate whether Trident and some big shiny aircraft carriers with a tiny number of F-35s are the best use of the UK's defence budget; instead we've tried to pretend otherwise and left most of the armed forces weakened.
It's also true that, for all the bluster of certain politicians, we've made a bad job of negotiating the Withdrawal Agreement (not so much the result as the incoherence of the objectives and process of failing to realise that). Applying that approach to post-Brexit trade deals is a worrying prospect, especially for those who think we've been bullied by the EU over the last couple of years. | |
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| Imminent recession on 15:45 - Mar 11 with 3303 views | unstableblue |
That's the key prediction.
There are a lot of lay-offs happening in the city at present as roles and processes are moved to Europe. And I mean a lot.
That all filters out into Essex and in part Suffolk. Hits hospitality, traders, home builders.
Not matter your position on Europe; the fact that there was so much uncertainty about the process of leaving, should have been enough of a red flag.
Here's an example news item, from just this morning:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47522347 |  |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 15:47 - Mar 11 with 3300 views | ballycastle |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 15:40 - Mar 11 by Steve_M |
Medium-sized former great power is probably more accurate but it was a bit too long. I don't think that much of the political or media establishment has a realistic view of the UK's size.
It's clear that one strand of Brexit thinking does encompass nostalgia for Empire and a different world, probably not one that ever existed but a child's history book view of the Victorian age. That's not as prevalent though as the lack of realism about the UK's current place in the world. A rational country would debate whether Trident and some big shiny aircraft carriers with a tiny number of F-35s are the best use of the UK's defence budget; instead we've tried to pretend otherwise and left most of the armed forces weakened.
It's also true that, for all the bluster of certain politicians, we've made a bad job of negotiating the Withdrawal Agreement (not so much the result as the incoherence of the objectives and process of failing to realise that). Applying that approach to post-Brexit trade deals is a worrying prospect, especially for those who think we've been bullied by the EU over the last couple of years. |
"I don't think that much of the political or media establishment has a realistic view of the UK's size"
As the worlds 5th largest economy? | | | |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 15:56 - Mar 11 with 3277 views | Steve_M |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 15:47 - Mar 11 by ballycastle |
"I don't think that much of the political or media establishment has a realistic view of the UK's size"
As the worlds 5th largest economy? |
We're an order of magnitude below the USA and China here though. An ordinal position - and it's dropped form fifth since June 2016 for some reason - on its own is insufficient.
As I said a realistic view, not one which is over the top in either direction. | |
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| Brexit predictions this week? on 16:01 - Mar 11 with 3262 views | ballycastle |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 15:56 - Mar 11 by Steve_M |
We're an order of magnitude below the USA and China here though. An ordinal position - and it's dropped form fifth since June 2016 for some reason - on its own is insufficient.
As I said a realistic view, not one which is over the top in either direction. |
Depends who to believe I suppose, but the underplaying of our world importance is as damaging as the overplaying.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12068319/Booming-Britain-to-become | | | |
| Brexit predictions this week? on 16:06 - Mar 11 with 3248 views | Steve_M |
It's an article from 2015, a few things have happened to the British economy since. | |
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