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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. 06:38 - Mar 15 with 2679 viewsDanTheMan

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47578798

Horrific.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:37 - Mar 15 with 550 viewsGuthrum

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:25 - Mar 15 by ElderGrizzly

One of the main suspects uploaded a ‘manifesto’ as to why he did it



This is what was written on his weapons too



The agencies that monitor this are worried that we are a hair trigger from actions like this in the UK right now too.
[Post edited 15 Mar 8:26]


Fortunately, access to that kind of weaponry is a lot more limited in the UK.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:38 - Mar 15 with 551 viewsDubtractor

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:24 - Mar 15 by Herbivore

We need to take the threat of the far right seriously, just look at this response from an elected Australian politician:

"Australian Senator Fraser Anning is being widely criticised for a statement he's released on the attack. The independent senator for Queensland says the "real cause of bloodshed" is immigration which "allowed Muslims fanatics to migrant to New Zealand in the first place"."


Farking hell. That is just disgusting.

Going a bit broader, this is the problem with having a global figure like Trump - a lot of what he says and does emboldens other politicians and public figures to speak like this.

Just sickening.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:40 - Mar 15 with 543 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:25 - Mar 15 by ElderGrizzly

One of the main suspects uploaded a ‘manifesto’ as to why he did it



This is what was written on his weapons too



The agencies that monitor this are worried that we are a hair trigger from actions like this in the UK right now too.
[Post edited 15 Mar 8:26]


Well he definitely hadn't studied Australian history had he!

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:40 - Mar 15 with 542 viewsZedRodgers

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:25 - Mar 15 by ElderGrizzly

One of the main suspects uploaded a ‘manifesto’ as to why he did it



This is what was written on his weapons too



The agencies that monitor this are worried that we are a hair trigger from actions like this in the UK right now too.
[Post edited 15 Mar 8:26]


Wow. What a wrongun.

It's such a deranged ideology. The things he thinks he needs to take "revenge" for are antithetical to rational human behaviour.

Really sad to see so many lives lost at the hands of somebody like this. Cue the likes of Hopkins and Yaxley-Lennon offering some kind of justification or explanation as to how this had been coming.

No, not at the moment

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:42 - Mar 15 with 531 viewsitfcjoe

Bloody lone wolf attackers with mental health issues - NZ needs more guns.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:43 - Mar 15 with 534 viewsPendejo

Footage of arrest, brave cops

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Intolerant rhetoric from Western politicians and social media are a cause... on 08:43 - Mar 15 with 527 viewsunstableblue

... whilst senior politicians of a high profile demonise immigrants and Islamic countries and the internet allows radical hate to be presented thes awful nutters are going to be emboldened.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:44 - Mar 15 with 523 viewsElderGrizzly

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:40 - Mar 15 by ZedRodgers

Wow. What a wrongun.

It's such a deranged ideology. The things he thinks he needs to take "revenge" for are antithetical to rational human behaviour.

Really sad to see so many lives lost at the hands of somebody like this. Cue the likes of Hopkins and Yaxley-Lennon offering some kind of justification or explanation as to how this had been coming.


Donald Trump’s one comment on this so far is to tweet a link to Breitbart News. Literally tweeting a link to the go-to news source of white supremacists!

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:46 - Mar 15 with 510 viewsElderGrizzly

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:42 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe

Bloody lone wolf attackers with mental health issues - NZ needs more guns.


New Zealand has some of the most relaxed gun laws outside of the USA.
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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:48 - Mar 15 with 501 viewsHerbivore

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:40 - Mar 15 by ZedRodgers

Wow. What a wrongun.

It's such a deranged ideology. The things he thinks he needs to take "revenge" for are antithetical to rational human behaviour.

Really sad to see so many lives lost at the hands of somebody like this. Cue the likes of Hopkins and Yaxley-Lennon offering some kind of justification or explanation as to how this had been coming.


You read his manifesto and his background is precisely the kind of poorly educated, no real prospects, feeling disenfranchised backstory that has also been common in other extremist terror attacks. If only we could work out what the common features are of people who turn to extremism and do something to address the root causes.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:48 - Mar 15 with 501 viewsGuthrum

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:40 - Mar 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

Well he definitely hadn't studied Australian history had he!


That's part of the issue. A severe lack of historical knowlege (or biological, for that matter, let alone ethics) and the fact he seemingly revels in anti-intellectualism (couldn't be bothered at school, not interested in uni).

From reading that excerpt of his "manifesto", he's lazy, uneducated and angry that people who aren't are doing better than him. I don't have much sympathy for the libertarian "pull yourself up by your own boot-straps" argument, but there does have to be a basic level of responsibility for one's own position.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:49 - Mar 15 with 486 viewsZedRodgers

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:42 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe

Bloody lone wolf attackers with mental health issues - NZ needs more guns.


Imam's should be armed?

No, not at the moment

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:52 - Mar 15 with 470 viewsitfcjoe

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:48 - Mar 15 by Herbivore

You read his manifesto and his background is precisely the kind of poorly educated, no real prospects, feeling disenfranchised backstory that has also been common in other extremist terror attacks. If only we could work out what the common features are of people who turn to extremism and do something to address the root causes.


Bloke is clearly thick as pigsh*t and because others have tried to better themselves and have bettered him he can't understand it.

A little bit of knowledge being fed to him through social media and dog whistling politicians and worse is a dangerous things, it reinforces his views that he is being punished for being white and that Muslims are taking his land, his opportunities.

It's such arrogance, New Zealand was a colony. He's Australian which was colonised and taken from the people whose land it actually was. The talk of Europe, he's probably never been there.

Hate is stoked, amongst people to thick to know they are being played and this is the result.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:53 - Mar 15 with 454 viewsitfcjoe

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:49 - Mar 15 by ZedRodgers

Imam's should be armed?


Yes, and armed guards on the door - good bit of job creation whilst we are at it.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:56 - Mar 15 with 435 viewsGuthrum

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:48 - Mar 15 by Herbivore

You read his manifesto and his background is precisely the kind of poorly educated, no real prospects, feeling disenfranchised backstory that has also been common in other extremist terror attacks. If only we could work out what the common features are of people who turn to extremism and do something to address the root causes.


Poverty, perceived lack of prospects and being told it's someone else's fault. Unfortunately, none of them particularly easy to deal with (tho erasing government corruption and graft worldwide would go some way to helping with the first two).

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:57 - Mar 15 with 430 viewsElderGrizzly

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:52 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe

Bloke is clearly thick as pigsh*t and because others have tried to better themselves and have bettered him he can't understand it.

A little bit of knowledge being fed to him through social media and dog whistling politicians and worse is a dangerous things, it reinforces his views that he is being punished for being white and that Muslims are taking his land, his opportunities.

It's such arrogance, New Zealand was a colony. He's Australian which was colonised and taken from the people whose land it actually was. The talk of Europe, he's probably never been there.

Hate is stoked, amongst people to thick to know they are being played and this is the result.


Indeed. See Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, some of our mainstream politicians and of course Fox News and Brietbart News. All guilty of doing just this.
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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:58 - Mar 15 with 421 viewsElderGrizzly

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:53 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe

Yes, and armed guards on the door - good bit of job creation whilst we are at it.


Why should a place of worship have armed guards? I can only assume you are joking?
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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:58 - Mar 15 with 419 viewsStokieBlue

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:24 - Mar 15 by Herbivore

We need to take the threat of the far right seriously, just look at this response from an elected Australian politician:

"Australian Senator Fraser Anning is being widely criticised for a statement he's released on the attack. The independent senator for Queensland says the "real cause of bloodshed" is immigration which "allowed Muslims fanatics to migrant to New Zealand in the first place"."


What an absolute tool.

An awful attack, lets hope the numbers don't keep rising.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:59 - Mar 15 with 412 viewsHerbivore

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:52 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe

Bloke is clearly thick as pigsh*t and because others have tried to better themselves and have bettered him he can't understand it.

A little bit of knowledge being fed to him through social media and dog whistling politicians and worse is a dangerous things, it reinforces his views that he is being punished for being white and that Muslims are taking his land, his opportunities.

It's such arrogance, New Zealand was a colony. He's Australian which was colonised and taken from the people whose land it actually was. The talk of Europe, he's probably never been there.

Hate is stoked, amongst people to thick to know they are being played and this is the result.


And it's essentially the same whatever the form of extremism. But it's more than just being thick, you need to also have a level of disengagement from society that is sufficient to enable you to not care about killing your fellow citizens. A tiny proportion of people who access extremist material will actually go on to carry out an act of terrorism. The response to this needs to address three strands really, firstly they need to clamp down on the spreading of hate speech including in the mainstream media. Secondly, better education for people and not just in maths and English but a bit about society and politics too, some basic understanding of how the world works. Thirdly, they need to tackle the fact that an increasingly large number of people - especially those under 30 - feel they have little or no stake in society. You can also link the rise in knife crime to much of the above.
[Post edited 15 Mar 9:01]

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 09:10 - Mar 15 with 365 viewsitfcjoe

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:58 - Mar 15 by ElderGrizzly

Why should a place of worship have armed guards? I can only assume you are joking?


Yep - probably in bad taste but just following on how this won't be prescribed as terrorism and then taking the US approach to a mass shooting of more guns for everyone

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 09:12 - Mar 15 with 354 viewsSwansea_Blue

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:24 - Mar 15 by Herbivore

We need to take the threat of the far right seriously, just look at this response from an elected Australian politician:

"Australian Senator Fraser Anning is being widely criticised for a statement he's released on the attack. The independent senator for Queensland says the "real cause of bloodshed" is immigration which "allowed Muslims fanatics to migrant to New Zealand in the first place"."


Anning is a stereotypical right winger masquerading as a decent politician. He's got history for being an a-hole. No surprise to see him jumping on this and twisting it to his own perverted cause.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 09:13 - Mar 15 with 351 viewsitfcjoe

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:59 - Mar 15 by Herbivore

And it's essentially the same whatever the form of extremism. But it's more than just being thick, you need to also have a level of disengagement from society that is sufficient to enable you to not care about killing your fellow citizens. A tiny proportion of people who access extremist material will actually go on to carry out an act of terrorism. The response to this needs to address three strands really, firstly they need to clamp down on the spreading of hate speech including in the mainstream media. Secondly, better education for people and not just in maths and English but a bit about society and politics too, some basic understanding of how the world works. Thirdly, they need to tackle the fact that an increasingly large number of people - especially those under 30 - feel they have little or no stake in society. You can also link the rise in knife crime to much of the above.
[Post edited 15 Mar 9:01]


Totally agree.

I think Social Media is very bad for this - back in the day you had to search for all this extremist material, now it finds you. Like a couple of posts on Facebook in a Britain First group which aren't that bad and then all of a sudden the claws are into you and you get worse and worse stuff dripfed into your timeline which normalises it.

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 09:14 - Mar 15 with 342 viewsSwansea_Blue

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:25 - Mar 15 by ElderGrizzly

One of the main suspects uploaded a ‘manifesto’ as to why he did it



This is what was written on his weapons too



The agencies that monitor this are worried that we are a hair trigger from actions like this in the UK right now too.
[Post edited 15 Mar 8:26]


"I had little interest in education...barely achieving a passing grade"


If people want to look for the root of this, it's there^^^

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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 09:19 - Mar 15 with 317 viewsDarth_Koont

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:25 - Mar 15 by ElderGrizzly

One of the main suspects uploaded a ‘manifesto’ as to why he did it



This is what was written on his weapons too



The agencies that monitor this are worried that we are a hair trigger from actions like this in the UK right now too.
[Post edited 15 Mar 8:26]


A classic case of radicalization, surely? He's an empty, aimless vessel ready to be filled with hate and ignorance.

What an awfully sad story.
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Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 09:20 - Mar 15 with 312 viewsGuthrum

Forty people have died in a terrorist attack in New Zealand. on 08:59 - Mar 15 by Herbivore

And it's essentially the same whatever the form of extremism. But it's more than just being thick, you need to also have a level of disengagement from society that is sufficient to enable you to not care about killing your fellow citizens. A tiny proportion of people who access extremist material will actually go on to carry out an act of terrorism. The response to this needs to address three strands really, firstly they need to clamp down on the spreading of hate speech including in the mainstream media. Secondly, better education for people and not just in maths and English but a bit about society and politics too, some basic understanding of how the world works. Thirdly, they need to tackle the fact that an increasingly large number of people - especially those under 30 - feel they have little or no stake in society. You can also link the rise in knife crime to much of the above.
[Post edited 15 Mar 9:01]


And perhaps more concentration on mental welfare. Not just dealing with outright illnesses, but a broader approach to stop people struggling.

Historically, the poor often took comfort in popular religion (which at least offered them a sense of community and long-term solace) or, in the last couple of centuries, radical reforming politics. Both of those have now declined (popular sects have been replaced by hard-line, extremist ones, much of the reforming agenda has been achieved, the more radical experiments turned sour).

The pressures are still as severe (money, consumerism, peer-pressure, inequality, lack of prospects), but the mental safety nets are no longer there. Society (particularly in the West) has become more individualist. People sit at home watching TV or on the computer, rather than going to the cinema or the pub - or to football matches. Community centres are closing or underfunded. Neighbours don't talk to one another. People with more serious mental health issues are left to fend for themselves.

Society coming together more might help prevent these issues developing. But it has to be demanded (and funded) from below, because governments currently don't want to (fuelled by media going on about "scroungers abusing the system") or simply can't afford it.

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