No MV3 15:39 - Mar 18 with 27899 views | ZedRodgers | Bercow says no. He's making a statement now in his typical long-winded fashion. Government benches didn't seem to know he was going to do this and are in disbelief. Remarkable stuff. EDIT: Essentially he's said he won't allow them to bring back the same deal back for another vote. Something would need to change. Meaningful Edit 2: Bercow clarifies to JRM that it could be brought back in a new parliamentary session. Make of that what you will. [Post edited 18 Mar 2019 15:52]
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No MV3 on 16:16 - Mar 18 with 2843 views | Swansea_Blue | He's right fecked off with this lot! | |
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No MV3 on 16:18 - Mar 18 with 2832 views | BloomBlue |
No MV3 on 16:15 - Mar 18 by homer_123 | It's only ruled out if it's the 'same'. So the second referendum could easily be classed as 'different' if the options were different. |
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No MV3 on 16:19 - Mar 18 with 2837 views | Guthrum |
No MV3 on 16:09 - Mar 18 by blueislander | As an institution the EU don’t want us to leave, so , after a bit of going and froing , I expect the extension to be at the very least six months. |
And if it's going to be that long (i.e. after the EU parliamentary election in May), then it's likely to be much longer, to make participation in that worthwhile. [Post edited 18 Mar 2019 16:20]
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No MV3 on 16:23 - Mar 18 with 2815 views | SWGF |
No MV3 on 15:51 - Mar 18 by BloomBlue | Excellent so a hard Brexit is getting nearer |
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No MV3 on 16:24 - Mar 18 with 2818 views | Guthrum |
No MV3 on 16:06 - Mar 18 by StokieBlue | Not a huge fan of his but this is the correct decision. SB |
Not sure it is, if there is a genuine chance (as some are mooting) that there might be enough support to get it through this time. Tho May is technically pushing it by having multiple votes on the same item so close together. | |
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No MV3 on 16:25 - Mar 18 with 2808 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
No MV3 on 16:12 - Mar 18 by ZedRodgers | There is absolutely no way we are leaving on 29th March. Get a grip man. Even the Chancellor of the Exchequer confirmed this on Sunday. There is simply no time to put the arrangements in place for' no deal' to take place. It's impossible. You're deluded if you think it's as simple as the 29th March passes and that's it, we're out with no deal. An extension is inevitable. It just depends on what the EU want us to agree to in order for them to approve it. They're probably going to melt down these coins, you melt. Independence day is cancelled. |
Better tell that to Owen Patterson!.....he seems thrilled. | |
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No MV3 on 16:26 - Mar 18 with 2803 views | Guthrum |
No MV3 on 15:51 - Mar 18 by BloomBlue | Excellent so a hard Brexit is getting nearer |
Why exactly do you favour leaving the EU with no transition agreement or trade deal in place? What is the advantage of doing that? | |
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No MV3 on 16:27 - Mar 18 with 2796 views | SpruceMoose |
No MV3 on 16:26 - Mar 18 by Guthrum | Why exactly do you favour leaving the EU with no transition agreement or trade deal in place? What is the advantage of doing that? |
It allows him to troll message boards. | |
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No MV3 on 16:28 - Mar 18 with 2791 views | Swansea_Blue |
No MV3 on 16:26 - Mar 18 by Guthrum | Why exactly do you favour leaving the EU with no transition agreement or trade deal in place? What is the advantage of doing that? |
For giggles I assume. Struggling to think of a sensible reason. | |
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No MV3 on 16:29 - Mar 18 with 2788 views | StokieBlue |
No MV3 on 16:24 - Mar 18 by Guthrum | Not sure it is, if there is a genuine chance (as some are mooting) that there might be enough support to get it through this time. Tho May is technically pushing it by having multiple votes on the same item so close together. |
What does the chance of having it get through have to do with it? Do we now just ignore the rules when convenient? SB | |
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No MV3 on 16:30 - Mar 18 with 2783 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
No MV3 on 16:26 - Mar 18 by Guthrum | Why exactly do you favour leaving the EU with no transition agreement or trade deal in place? What is the advantage of doing that? |
Patterson was on about leaving on 29th under GATT rule 24 (?) ....0 tarriffs between us and Europe for up to 10 years while the final trade deal is negotiated and Irish issue goes away too......but we will have left. | |
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No MV3 on 16:32 - Mar 18 with 2779 views | ZedRodgers |
No MV3 on 16:10 - Mar 18 by BloomBlue | Zed question as you're knowledgeable on these things. If he's ruled it out because they cannot vote on the same thing twice doesn't that a lso rule out a vote on a second referendum as they've already voted on that? |
What do you mean by "vote on a second referendum"? Any "vote on a second referendum" in the form of an amendment is likely to be entirely different in substance to any that have already taken place. For instance, the Kyle/Wilson amendment to legislate for a 'people's vote' would have been an entirely to the amendment tabled by the Labour front bench. This is the passage from Erskine May which Bercow is referring to:
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No MV3 on 16:32 - Mar 18 with 2775 views | Swansea_Blue |
No MV3 on 16:30 - Mar 18 by BanksterDebtSlave | Patterson was on about leaving on 29th under GATT rule 24 (?) ....0 tarriffs between us and Europe for up to 10 years while the final trade deal is negotiated and Irish issue goes away too......but we will have left. |
He wasn't was he? Still? Even though anyone and everyone who knows anything about that says it's not actually doable. | |
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No MV3 on 16:34 - Mar 18 with 2775 views | XYZ |
No MV3 on 16:24 - Mar 18 by Guthrum | Not sure it is, if there is a genuine chance (as some are mooting) that there might be enough support to get it through this time. Tho May is technically pushing it by having multiple votes on the same item so close together. |
The convention is there for very good reasons. All governments since 1943 have basically respected it by not testing it. Governments who are defeated in the commons must respect the commons. It's also one of the few checks the UK constitution has on the sort of bribery being tried on the DUP. Bercow is an objectionable little scrote in many respects, but he's got a job to do here. | | | |
No MV3 on 16:38 - Mar 18 with 2763 views | Guthrum |
No MV3 on 16:29 - Mar 18 by StokieBlue | What does the chance of having it get through have to do with it? Do we now just ignore the rules when convenient? SB |
Pragmatism. Do we sacrifice the best chance for a way out of this impasse for the sake of Parliamentary procedure, for the foolishness of a Prime Minister who put the question twice before things were anywhere near ready? | |
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No MV3 on 16:40 - Mar 18 with 2757 views | Guthrum |
No MV3 on 16:34 - Mar 18 by XYZ | The convention is there for very good reasons. All governments since 1943 have basically respected it by not testing it. Governments who are defeated in the commons must respect the commons. It's also one of the few checks the UK constitution has on the sort of bribery being tried on the DUP. Bercow is an objectionable little scrote in many respects, but he's got a job to do here. |
Equally, it essentially prevents the Commons from changing its mind in a fast-moving, fluid situation. Not great for crisis response. | |
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No MV3 on 16:42 - Mar 18 with 2750 views | XYZ |
No MV3 on 16:38 - Mar 18 by Guthrum | Pragmatism. Do we sacrifice the best chance for a way out of this impasse for the sake of Parliamentary procedure, for the foolishness of a Prime Minister who put the question twice before things were anywhere near ready? |
We could withdraw A50 and start acting like a grown-up country again. | | | |
No MV3 on 16:42 - Mar 18 with 2746 views | Herbivore |
No MV3 on 16:38 - Mar 18 by Guthrum | Pragmatism. Do we sacrifice the best chance for a way out of this impasse for the sake of Parliamentary procedure, for the foolishness of a Prime Minister who put the question twice before things were anywhere near ready? |
She should have to listen to parliament, not just continue to attempt to blindly bully and bribe her way through. | |
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No MV3 on 16:46 - Mar 18 with 2741 views | GeoffSentence |
No MV3 on 16:12 - Mar 18 by ZedRodgers | There is absolutely no way we are leaving on 29th March. Get a grip man. Even the Chancellor of the Exchequer confirmed this on Sunday. There is simply no time to put the arrangements in place for' no deal' to take place. It's impossible. You're deluded if you think it's as simple as the 29th March passes and that's it, we're out with no deal. An extension is inevitable. It just depends on what the EU want us to agree to in order for them to approve it. They're probably going to melt down these coins, you melt. Independence day is cancelled. |
You haven't been listening to TM the PM. She has been quite clear about this, time and time again, we are leaving on 29th March 2019. She wouldn't go back on her word. | |
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No MV3 on 16:48 - Mar 18 with 2730 views | XYZ |
No MV3 on 16:40 - Mar 18 by Guthrum | Equally, it essentially prevents the Commons from changing its mind in a fast-moving, fluid situation. Not great for crisis response. |
Well, it has stood the test of time, having been in place since before 1700 (I believe). If you want to argue the whole system is broken, then I'd listen, however, just wanting to change one inconvenient point seems to be the thin end of a dubious wedge. | | | |
No MV3 on 16:49 - Mar 18 with 2725 views | Guthrum |
No MV3 on 16:42 - Mar 18 by XYZ | We could withdraw A50 and start acting like a grown-up country again. |
While, personally, I would like Brexit not to happen, that does leave the question of the Referendum result and respect for the opinions of all those who voted to leave. Pandora's box is open, we can't simply pretend it didn't happen. | |
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No MV3 on 16:49 - Mar 18 with 2726 views | hampstead_blue |
No MV3 on 16:30 - Mar 18 by BanksterDebtSlave | Patterson was on about leaving on 29th under GATT rule 24 (?) ....0 tarriffs between us and Europe for up to 10 years while the final trade deal is negotiated and Irish issue goes away too......but we will have left. |
I saw that piece. I've no idea as to the implications but the way he put it made sense. Problem is that the EU want our £39b or to remain. Anything else is not to their benefit. | |
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No MV3 on 16:49 - Mar 18 with 2726 views | Withnail | Reports of Italy vetoing the extension. Hello No Deal xxxx | | | |
No MV3 on 16:52 - Mar 18 with 2708 views | Herbivore |
No MV3 on 16:49 - Mar 18 by Withnail | Reports of Italy vetoing the extension. Hello No Deal xxxx |
Those reports have been quashed. It's you freaks getting a hard on at the prospect of the country crashing out and nothing more. And the irony of hard Brexiteers begging European politicians to block the will of Parliament is quite something. | |
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No MV3 on 16:54 - Mar 18 with 2705 views | Lord_Lucan |
No MV3 on 16:04 - Mar 18 by BloomBlue | Not if the EU don't agree and I cannot see all 27 countries being happy with a 2 year extension |
I think they will all love it - and this is what I have predicted for a while. 2 year extension and no brexit. | |
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