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Limited number due to Elf and Safety according to Isabelle Oakshott, the so-called journalist and close associate of Aaron Banks and Andy Wigmore. Two figures well known for their respect for the law.
Limited number due to Elf and Safety according to Isabelle Oakshott, the so-called journalist and close associate of Aaron Banks and Andy Wigmore. Two figures well known for their respect for the law.
Hear she does a line in non-partisan, respectable political journalism?
Still, she makes a compelling case for sleeping with the enemy...
footers QC - Prosecution Barrister, Hasketon Law Chambers
Sorry Guthrum I didn't see your question. Because it's taken us 2 years to reach this point and we still haven't got to the main details of the agreement. Leaving with no deal will force the EU to work quicker and agree with what we want rather than what they want Plus we immediately start working on frictionless trade deals with China and the US.
Why will leaving with no Withdrawal Agreement make dealmaking happen any faster? The mechanics of negotiation are the same, the aims and red lines do not change. Even many of the same personnel will be involved.
If the EU is desperate to have a deal, why would they delay in agreeing one?
What in the Withdrawal Agreement stops us negotiating deals with the US and China? They may not be able to come into force until we come out of it, but will be ready for when we do (indeed, if they really are fast and good enough, might be cause to truncate talks with the EU). And until we have, we still benefit from existing in-EU deals.
The reason they can't get a deal with the US is because... the US has protectionist trade policies! Tell me how Trump's 'America first' position will help the UK? And you're also implying by that post that it would be very difficult to negotiate a trade deal with the EU too, hmmm.
Do you fancy a trade war with them? The US-China one put Germany into a recession for the first time in four years. Now you want the UK to be a potential 'beneficiary' of such actions- hahahahahahahaha.
Yet you seem to believe our manufacturing base to be as good or better than Germany's?
You're economically illiterate. No wonder since you voted Brexit!
I'm out. No reasoning with such idiocy.
P.S. The irony on being schooled in capitalism by a socialist should hurt lol ;)
[Post edited 18 Mar 2019 22:04]
They couldn't get a US deal with Obama because of the EU protectionist trade policies, but to make it easier for you let's also blame Trump for that.
The reason they can't get a deal with the US is because... the US has protectionist trade policies! Tell me how Trump's 'America first' position will help the UK? And you're also implying by that post that it would be very difficult to negotiate a trade deal with the EU too, hmmm.
Do you fancy a trade war with them? The US-China one put Germany into a recession for the first time in four years. Now you want the UK to be a potential 'beneficiary' of such actions- hahahahahahahaha.
Yet you seem to believe our manufacturing base to be as good or better than Germany's?
You're economically illiterate. No wonder since you voted Brexit!
I'm out. No reasoning with such idiocy.
P.S. The irony on being schooled in capitalism by a socialist should hurt lol ;)
[Post edited 18 Mar 2019 22:04]
He's even wrong that the EU want a trade deal with the US.
They voted just last week to not hold talks with the US due to Trump's policies and behaviour. That highlights the folly of Brexit. We go from a country that can stand by it's principles due to being in a power block that can push back to one that is basically begging the US for a trade deal on whatever terms they fancy.
He's even wrong that the EU want a trade deal with the US.
They voted just last week to not hold talks with the US due to Trump's policies and behaviour. That highlights the folly of Brexit. We go from a country that can stand by it's principles due to being in a power block that can push back to one that is basically begging the US for a trade deal on whatever terms they fancy.
SB
Why can't you just let Bloom dream, SB? What's the point of bringing facts into the argument?
footers QC - Prosecution Barrister, Hasketon Law Chambers
This is not what we voted for Footers, we voted to leave the EU and everything it stands for. Not a deal agreed by the remainers and the EU.
This is not Parliamentary sovereignty just the rich elite getting one over us yet again.
We voted to leave not keep in bits and pieces because some butt hurt remainers can't accept they lost so they will delay, stall and ultimately try and reverse the result because 'they know better'. The elite here are not the likes of Snooty JRM but globalist scum like Blair, Many in Academia and Media types who get financial help from the EU. Lots of Lawyers (have you ever noticed how many politicians are Lawyers or Solicitors) who make a ton of cash from BS EU red tape. Name a Swiss politician.You can't. Why? because they are mere administrators of what the people decide in referendums.Direct democracy works. British politicians are self serving waynekers. Trump is popular because he isn't a career politician..... Awaits downvotes from Herbi and the usual suspects.
Blimey. You wouldn't last long if Putin sent his honey traps your way, comrade.
Ha! The act doesn't usually last long enough to get any real info from me, brother... If they're on his expense account I'll take what I'm given and take the chance!
footers QC - Prosecution Barrister, Hasketon Law Chambers
We voted to leave not keep in bits and pieces because some butt hurt remainers can't accept they lost so they will delay, stall and ultimately try and reverse the result because 'they know better'. The elite here are not the likes of Snooty JRM but globalist scum like Blair, Many in Academia and Media types who get financial help from the EU. Lots of Lawyers (have you ever noticed how many politicians are Lawyers or Solicitors) who make a ton of cash from BS EU red tape. Name a Swiss politician.You can't. Why? because they are mere administrators of what the people decide in referendums.Direct democracy works. British politicians are self serving waynekers. Trump is popular because he isn't a career politician..... Awaits downvotes from Herbi and the usual suspects.
I have a few questions:
"some butt hurt remainers"
What does this even mean? I assume it's remainers after a curry?
"Switzerland did have a vote, which almost led to us ripping up one of our main treaties with the EU — but because we nearly always vote again after an initial referendum, we didn't end up following that path of destruction"
Interesting eh?
Don't want to nitpick but a solicitor is a lawyer. Precision is key I am sure you'll agree.
We voted to leave not keep in bits and pieces because some butt hurt remainers can't accept they lost so they will delay, stall and ultimately try and reverse the result because 'they know better'. The elite here are not the likes of Snooty JRM but globalist scum like Blair, Many in Academia and Media types who get financial help from the EU. Lots of Lawyers (have you ever noticed how many politicians are Lawyers or Solicitors) who make a ton of cash from BS EU red tape. Name a Swiss politician.You can't. Why? because they are mere administrators of what the people decide in referendums.Direct democracy works. British politicians are self serving waynekers. Trump is popular because he isn't a career politician..... Awaits downvotes from Herbi and the usual suspects.
right on cue. sad barsteward, the ignore feature is a blessing.
We voted to leave not keep in bits and pieces because some butt hurt remainers can't accept they lost so they will delay, stall and ultimately try and reverse the result because 'they know better'. The elite here are not the likes of Snooty JRM but globalist scum like Blair, Many in Academia and Media types who get financial help from the EU. Lots of Lawyers (have you ever noticed how many politicians are Lawyers or Solicitors) who make a ton of cash from BS EU red tape. Name a Swiss politician.You can't. Why? because they are mere administrators of what the people decide in referendums.Direct democracy works. British politicians are self serving waynekers. Trump is popular because he isn't a career politician..... Awaits downvotes from Herbi and the usual suspects.
Brexit has stalled because Tory Brexiteers and the DUP refused to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement. Do keep up, dear.
We voted to leave not keep in bits and pieces because some butt hurt remainers can't accept they lost so they will delay, stall and ultimately try and reverse the result because 'they know better'. The elite here are not the likes of Snooty JRM but globalist scum like Blair, Many in Academia and Media types who get financial help from the EU. Lots of Lawyers (have you ever noticed how many politicians are Lawyers or Solicitors) who make a ton of cash from BS EU red tape. Name a Swiss politician.You can't. Why? because they are mere administrators of what the people decide in referendums.Direct democracy works. British politicians are self serving waynekers. Trump is popular because he isn't a career politician..... Awaits downvotes from Herbi and the usual suspects.
Hahaha. Oh lawd, here we go again.
"We voted to leave not keep in bits and pieces" - No, you voted in an advisory referendum which had little or no reference to potential outcomes. You saying "I voted for X" doesn't make it so.
"butt hurt" - This isn't 4chan - grow up.
"they will delay, stall and ultimately try and reverse the result" - parliamentary sovereignty, which is/was one of your biggest concerns, apparently.
"'they know better'" - usually backed up by evidence and facts vs your feelings.
"globalist scum" - while globalism is an important point, we rely on other countries to trade with; we cannot produce anywhere near the level of goods we require on our own (the wider debate on globalism I doubt you are anywhere informed enough to debate, but try us)
"Lawyers (have you ever noticed how many politicians are Lawyers or Solicitors)" - this is generally helpful since MPs are law-makers so understanding how it works usually a good idea.
"make a ton of cash from BS EU red tape" - Like Farage and his EU pension?
"Direct democracy works" - yes, in a much smaller state it does. Britain is not a small state.
"British politicians are self serving waynekers." True.
"Trump is popular because he isn't a career politician" - No, but he is a self-serving member of the 'elite' you so constantly seem to shame, as is Farage. He's also demonstrably dim on pretty much any issue you put before him.
[Post edited 18 Mar 2019 22:56]
footers QC - Prosecution Barrister, Hasketon Law Chambers
A general election is obviously my preferred way forward. A longer extension seems the most feasible and realistic request to put to the EU. Would they not be sceptical of a short term extension which promises the immediate return of the same type of deal which has left us in this mess?
The election outcome should then provide a mandate for a confirmatory Brexit decision. Whether the Conservatives have a new leader with a softer or harder approach is down to them. Labour will put forward their soft deal + people’s vote. There may be a return of UKIP / Farage’s new mob, but seems unlikely given UKIP’s polling being down 20%ish for prospective EU elections. I think the tide is finally turning from those types of reckless lunatics without a plan.
I admit that a hung parliament would be difficult situation, especially if Conservatives have gone harder and Labour even softer than 2017. Would that situation not force the cross-party compromise which has been missing for the last two years? It would take a very naive new Tory leader to continue May’s blinkered approach and Corbyn and other leaders have attempted to reach out for cross-party talks from the beginning.
What are May’s options apart from that?
Go back to the EU abandoning red lines? - A fairly honourable option at one stage but not now. She wouldn’t be able to face her party. Try to do away with the Erskine May convention? - Surely that wouldn’t pass. Prorogue parliament? - Seems even riskier than a GE to me. Chuck Olly Robbins under a bus and hope for the best? - Embarrassing. Call a press conference outside Downing St. and pretend things are fine, spewing out meaningless sound bites about the national interest and the will of the people? - Probably.
The madness has to stop.
[Post edited 18 Mar 2019 20:05]
GE would need a reasonable-length extension, probably at least six months (which gets us into the issue of EU Parliament elections in May).
Another thing about a GE is that it will not just be on Brexit, but a host of other social and economic policies as well. Thus, say, people may vote Conservative on economics, while being distinctly cool on Brexit. Or Labour on social stuff, but be a No Dealer. Under the FTPA, we'd be electing a government for (theoretically) the next five years, not just for Brexit.
On a side note, Farage isn't UKIP any more, after they wandered off into rightwing loopiness. He's now associated with some new organisation (complete with overblown membership claims and shadowy backers).
A Hung Parliament is the most likely option, IMO, unless Corbyn seriously fouls up (which would be unlike him, in an electoral situation). Neither he nor May (or any likely successor to the latter) is willing to sacrifice their party to the national good. With tribalism on the increase in recent years, cross-party work is highly risky in that area.
The biggest problem is that there is no obvious exit route from this situation. Parliament will not agree on any approach, being too scared to transgress the party system in order to do so. Any politician bold enough to try will probably fall, with many knives in their backs.
May's best hope was to force her deal through, but that's been done so badly it's sinking faster than she can bail. Soon we will be left with No Deal or Remain. Which comes into collision with The Will Of The People (copyright 2016).
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