| Nonsense 07:00 - Mar 20 with 7512 views | ZedRodgers |
Absolute nonsense. This is simply a result of the likes of Leadsom and Fox threatening to resign at cabinet yesterday if she requested a long extension. May is a morally reprehensible disaster who’s only purpose is to save face within her party.
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| Nonsense on 09:50 - Mar 20 with 1215 views | SomethingBlue |
| Nonsense on 09:20 - Mar 20 by Herbivore |
The silent majority need to start making some noise and quickly. |
People really should be on the fcuking streets day in day out. In many other countries they would be. This one doesn't really seem to get it; never has. [Post edited 20 Mar 2019 9:50]
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| Nonsense on 09:54 - Mar 20 with 1208 views | homer_123 |
| Nonsense on 09:50 - Mar 20 by SomethingBlue |
People really should be on the fcuking streets day in day out. In many other countries they would be. This one doesn't really seem to get it; never has. [Post edited 20 Mar 2019 9:50]
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Lots of reasons why they might not be:
1. Maybe there are lots of people that aren't actually that bothered one way or another, they are nonplussed whether we stay or leave
2. Maybe it's cultral - we don't tend to hold lots and lots of mass demonstrations - we hold some but nowhere near as much as other countries
3. Do they actually make any difference anyway? No, until we have a different way of governing - what the public wants and what Parliament does are two very different things. |  |
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| Nonsense on 09:54 - Mar 20 with 1206 views | giant_stow |
| Nonsense on 09:50 - Mar 20 by SomethingBlue |
People really should be on the fcuking streets day in day out. In many other countries they would be. This one doesn't really seem to get it; never has. [Post edited 20 Mar 2019 9:50]
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Brexiteers are the revolutionaries in this, I spose. 'what do we want? THE STATUS QUO' is a harder sell. |  |
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| Nonsense on 09:55 - Mar 20 with 1203 views | ZedRodgers |
Good.
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| Nonsense on 09:58 - Mar 20 with 1193 views | giant_stow |
What's SO24, if you don't mind me asking mr? | |
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| Nonsense on 09:59 - Mar 20 with 1190 views | SomethingBlue |
| Nonsense on 09:54 - Mar 20 by homer_123 |
Lots of reasons why they might not be:
1. Maybe there are lots of people that aren't actually that bothered one way or another, they are nonplussed whether we stay or leave
2. Maybe it's cultral - we don't tend to hold lots and lots of mass demonstrations - we hold some but nowhere near as much as other countries
3. Do they actually make any difference anyway? No, until we have a different way of governing - what the public wants and what Parliament does are two very different things. |
Fair points. I'd add though that political engagement is something that's not really instilled in the average person from a young age here. I can use a football example — look at how, say, Harry Kane might respond to a Brexit question and how a footballer from Italy or Germany might talk about politics. Worlds apart. We are apathetic, clueless and unengaged — and about to count the cost of that, to a large extent. | |
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| Nonsense on 10:08 - Mar 20 with 1175 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nonsense on 09:54 - Mar 20 by giant_stow |
Brexiteers are the revolutionaries in this, I spose. 'what do we want? THE STATUS QUO' is a harder sell. |
On that point, this is a fascinating listen from an ex-staffer at Vote Leave.
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| Nonsense on 10:12 - Mar 20 with 1168 views | chicoazul |
you confuse me, Zed. Shouldnt a Corbynista like you be all for hard Brexit next week? |  |
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| Nonsense on 10:23 - Mar 20 with 1152 views | ZedRodgers |
| Nonsense on 10:12 - Mar 20 by chicoazul |
you confuse me, Zed. Shouldnt a Corbynista like you be all for hard Brexit next week? |
How have you arrived at that opinion? | |
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| Nonsense on 10:28 - Mar 20 with 1139 views | chicoazul |
| Nonsense on 10:23 - Mar 20 by ZedRodgers |
How have you arrived at that opinion? |
You're a Corbynista right? Man hates the EU with the passion of Romeo. | |
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| Nonsense on 10:34 - Mar 20 with 1130 views | Steve_M |
But....
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| Nonsense on 10:36 - Mar 20 with 1125 views | chicoazul |
| Nonsense on 10:34 - Mar 20 by Steve_M |
But....
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loooooool | |
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| Nonsense on 10:36 - Mar 20 with 1129 views | ZedRodgers |
Do people agree that the "People are fed up"/"People just want to move on and get it over with" rhetoric is insultingly naive?
The withdrawal agreement is just the beginning. People will be considerably more fed up months down the line if that's what's forced up on us. Their fed-upness won't have been relieved the day after she hypothetically forces it through. | |
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| Nonsense on 10:41 - Mar 20 with 1117 views | ZedRodgers |
| Nonsense on 10:34 - Mar 20 by Steve_M |
But....
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I would ask Jack Maidment how he "understands" this.
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| Nonsense on 10:41 - Mar 20 with 1117 views | Guthrum |
| Nonsense on 10:34 - Mar 20 by Steve_M |
But....
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Which runs dirctly counter to their expressed plan for renegotiation of the deal (involving customs union, etc.), that's not going to happen within three months. |  |
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| Nonsense on 10:42 - Mar 20 with 1119 views | Steve_M |
| Nonsense on 10:36 - Mar 20 by ZedRodgers |
Do people agree that the "People are fed up"/"People just want to move on and get it over with" rhetoric is insultingly naive?
The withdrawal agreement is just the beginning. People will be considerably more fed up months down the line if that's what's forced up on us. Their fed-upness won't have been relieved the day after she hypothetically forces it through. |
Yep, and that will be worse for a deal that almost no-one wants.
I would correct that 'months' to 'years' though. | |
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| Nonsense on 10:42 - Mar 20 with 1117 views | giant_stow |
| Nonsense on 10:34 - Mar 20 by Steve_M |
But....
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Clowns to the right of me, jokers to the left.
(sorry for getting this one out again, but it fits so well at the mo) | |
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| Nonsense on 10:43 - Mar 20 with 1116 views | Steve_M |
| Nonsense on 10:42 - Mar 20 by giant_stow |
Clowns to the right of me, jokers to the left.
(sorry for getting this one out again, but it fits so well at the mo) |
Ok, maybe they will back it:
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| Nonsense on 10:43 - Mar 20 with 1116 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nonsense on 10:08 - Mar 20 by Swansea_Blue |
On that point, this is a fascinating listen from an ex-staffer at Vote Leave.
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Excellent stuff.
"Intellectual honesty" and admitting that you don't know should be staples of the Brexit debate but instead we've been listening to people who have been lying to us, and in many cases lying to themselves. The problem is that to arrive at the point he reached (exposing the inconsistencies of a democratic Brexit alongside the need to remain as part of the single market and customs union) takes a willingness to actually think objectively and be honest with yourself.
The media should be falling over themselves to bring this Norgrove guy into the debate. He was probably a bit nervous but someone just needs to get him to stop touching his hair. [Post edited 20 Mar 2019 10:44]
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| Nonsense on 10:45 - Mar 20 with 1105 views | ZedRodgers |
| Nonsense on 10:28 - Mar 20 by chicoazul |
You're a Corbynista right? Man hates the EU with the passion of Romeo. |
I wouldn't call myself that, no.
Having a history of criticism for the EU in it's current form meaning you want to crash out without a deal is quite a leap, even for a deranged clown. It's certainly incompatible with anything Corbyn has said since leaving the EU became the national discussion. | |
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| Nonsense on 10:46 - Mar 20 with 1105 views | Guthrum |
| Nonsense on 10:36 - Mar 20 by ZedRodgers |
Do people agree that the "People are fed up"/"People just want to move on and get it over with" rhetoric is insultingly naive?
The withdrawal agreement is just the beginning. People will be considerably more fed up months down the line if that's what's forced up on us. Their fed-upness won't have been relieved the day after she hypothetically forces it through. |
This is only the Withdrawal Agreement. There's the whole of negotiating trade and other deals to come. | |
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| Nonsense on 10:51 - Mar 20 with 1093 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nonsense on 10:36 - Mar 20 by ZedRodgers |
Do people agree that the "People are fed up"/"People just want to move on and get it over with" rhetoric is insultingly naive?
The withdrawal agreement is just the beginning. People will be considerably more fed up months down the line if that's what's forced up on us. Their fed-upness won't have been relieved the day after she hypothetically forces it through. |
Absolutely. And it'll be years of this not months unless we park the whole debate and remain.
How many people understand this? | |
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| Nonsense on 11:00 - Mar 20 with 1080 views | ZedRodgers |
| Nonsense on 10:43 - Mar 20 by Steve_M |
Ok, maybe they will back it:
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This is the result of the press relentlessly hassling random Labour 'sources' for a reaction within minutes of confirmation that May would be requesting a short extension. It's just an unhelpful media whirlwind.
I have no doubt that Labour will support calls for an extension that ensures May doesn't just blackmail us again with her deal a few weeks down the line when we're staring EU elections in the face. That is in line with their policy as Guthrum has pointed out.
The press (especially the likes of the Telegraph bod you prematurely linked to earlier) will likely frame whatever Labour suggest as an inadequate alternative. | |
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| Nonsense on 11:10 - Mar 20 with 1062 views | Steve_M |
| Nonsense on 11:00 - Mar 20 by ZedRodgers |
This is the result of the press relentlessly hassling random Labour 'sources' for a reaction within minutes of confirmation that May would be requesting a short extension. It's just an unhelpful media whirlwind.
I have no doubt that Labour will support calls for an extension that ensures May doesn't just blackmail us again with her deal a few weeks down the line when we're staring EU elections in the face. That is in line with their policy as Guthrum has pointed out.
The press (especially the likes of the Telegraph bod you prematurely linked to earlier) will likely frame whatever Labour suggest as an inadequate alternative. |
Well, either that or someone has looked Seamus back in the cupboard again.....
I'm glad they seem to be backing this motion though. | |
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