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Don't think it's going to happen but apparently May is going to give a statement tonight and Paddy Power has stopped taking bets on a GE being called.
Reported by the Independent Live feed.
I suspect it'll be more of the same, likely blaming the EU for not doing exactly what she wanted with regards to the delay. Peston saying it could be that she won't remain as PM if brexit is delayed past Jun 30th.
Guess nobody has a clue.
SB
Edit: That's a clickbait headline even the Mail would be proud of
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Bets suspended on a GE on 18:17 - Mar 20 with 1669 views
How would a General Election resolve the Brexit crisis, given that (1) the main parties are divided on the issue and (2) you can't have a General election on one issue???
Bets suspended on a GE on 18:15 - Mar 20 by sparks
I think its very hard to judge. She has persisted doggedly at a frankly impossible task.
Despite me not being a fan, a month or so ago I thought she was doing her best in a very difficult situation but now I think she has made a complete pigs ear of it.
This government has to be the poorest since Callaghan’s mob.
Slightly off topic I flicked the TV over last night and one of those can’t pay we’ll take it away things was on. It showed an old couple being kicked out of their rented flat, they had one hour to leave - and they did. I couldn’t believe that there was no safety net for them. I couldn’t sleep last night, it really upset me.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Bets suspended on a GE on 18:37 - Mar 20 by Lord_Lucan
Despite me not being a fan, a month or so ago I thought she was doing her best in a very difficult situation but now I think she has made a complete pigs ear of it.
This government has to be the poorest since Callaghan’s mob.
Slightly off topic I flicked the TV over last night and one of those can’t pay we’ll take it away things was on. It showed an old couple being kicked out of their rented flat, they had one hour to leave - and they did. I couldn’t believe that there was no safety net for them. I couldn’t sleep last night, it really upset me.
They would have had various notices over a period of time and the council have a duty to them as well.
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett)
Bets suspended on a GE on 18:37 - Mar 20 by Lord_Lucan
Despite me not being a fan, a month or so ago I thought she was doing her best in a very difficult situation but now I think she has made a complete pigs ear of it.
This government has to be the poorest since Callaghan’s mob.
Slightly off topic I flicked the TV over last night and one of those can’t pay we’ll take it away things was on. It showed an old couple being kicked out of their rented flat, they had one hour to leave - and they did. I couldn’t believe that there was no safety net for them. I couldn’t sleep last night, it really upset me.
There was one where they had to move on a family caring for an intensely ill baby, hooked up to all the medical gizmos in their front room. Sometimes life overtakes finances, things just become too much and all those letters/calls go unanswered. Who'd be a bailiff?
I might be on the next series. An unpaid bus ticket cost dear old footers £600. Had just taken delivery of a brand-new chef's knife which was sitting on my desk at the time. He looked at it, looked at me and said "You're not going to use that, are you?" When he told me it was £600 I did consider it.
footers QC - Prosecution Barrister, Hasketon Law Chambers
Bets suspended on a GE on 18:38 - Mar 20 by sparks
They would have had various notices over a period of time and the council have a duty to them as well.
Well they walked out of their home with a suitcase each - probably to the council. I didn’t see the closing part of the program for the update and I also accept that some of the context may have been missing - but even so. They were in Hounslow and it was mentioned that they had had a letter offering them accommodation in Birmingham.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Bets suspended on a GE on 18:51 - Mar 20 by vapour_trail
She has persisted doggedly.
The fact her task is impossible is entirely of her own making.
She still has a chance though, of driving through her damaging deal.
That's what I reckon she'll say tonight. It's my deal or no deal. But of course if it's neither she'll resign and we should get a long extension (hopefully).
Or maybe she'll just resign- but I seriously doubt that.
footers QC - Prosecution Barrister, Hasketon Law Chambers
Bets suspended on a GE on 18:53 - Mar 20 by sparks
The impossibility is not of her making.
The deal is damaging primarily because of the backstop issue- which seems pretty much insurmountable.
Indeed. There's no way around the backstop currently.
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Bets suspended on a GE on 18:53 - Mar 20 by sparks
The impossibility is not of her making.
The deal is damaging primarily because of the backstop issue- which seems pretty much insurmountable.
The backstop is needed because of her red lines. There are other options. I know you're a dyed in the wool Tory but open your eyes to what's happening. She's a disgrace and your party is a shambles.
Bets suspended on a GE on 19:01 - Mar 20 by vapour_trail
Of course it is.
Her red lines. Her intransigence. Her vanity election. Her policy of hiding during the referendum campaign to enhance her career prospects.
W@nker.
Edit: the w@nker is in reference to our prime minister, as opposed to you sparks.
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Well that is the Corbyn line.
But the reality is that the deal is about as good as can be done, but is scuppered by the backstop problem. Which scuppers just about every option other than a very very soft exit which has complete customs union and probably doesnt deal with any of the issues we are supposed to be leaving for.
What "red lines" is she unreasonably holding which prevent the deal being done?
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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Bets suspended on a GE on 19:03 - Mar 20 by sparks
Well that is the Corbyn line.
But the reality is that the deal is about as good as can be done, but is scuppered by the backstop problem. Which scuppers just about every option other than a very very soft exit which has complete customs union and probably doesnt deal with any of the issues we are supposed to be leaving for.
What "red lines" is she unreasonably holding which prevent the deal being done?
We both know what the red lines are.
The deal might be as good as she can get based on her initial bargaining position.
The backstop is clearly essential unless we rip up the GFA. You have to be a Farage style nuttter to go there.
Bets suspended on a GE on 19:08 - Mar 20 by vapour_trail
We both know what the red lines are.
The deal might be as good as she can get based on her initial bargaining position.
The backstop is clearly essential unless we rip up the GFA. You have to be a Farage style nuttter to go there.
I’ll ignore the corbyn reference.
Tell me what red line prevents the deal from being done. I keep hearing Corbyn and Zed saying that its May's red lines which cause the problem. Perhaps I havent paid enough attention, but I have yet to understand that assertion.
The issue is the backstop and the difficulty of an Irish border which is at once a border and seamless.
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett)
Bets suspended on a GE on 19:10 - Mar 20 by sparks
Tell me what red line prevents the deal from being done. I keep hearing Corbyn and Zed saying that its May's red lines which cause the problem. Perhaps I havent paid enough attention, but I have yet to understand that assertion.
The issue is the backstop and the difficulty of an Irish border which is at once a border and seamless.
It isn’t just Mays red lines that cause the problem. It’s decades of grief within the tories and a sustained campaign of lies from Tory eurosceptic fundamentalists to the general public that have done that.
On the red lines, in theory it’s freedom of movement and the customs union. In practice it’s the customs union.
Bets suspended on a GE on 19:10 - Mar 20 by sparks
Tell me what red line prevents the deal from being done. I keep hearing Corbyn and Zed saying that its May's red lines which cause the problem. Perhaps I havent paid enough attention, but I have yet to understand that assertion.
The issue is the backstop and the difficulty of an Irish border which is at once a border and seamless.
Well the border becomes a problem if red lines exist on the single market, the customs union and freedom of movement.
Whether you agree with the red lines or not (or think that somebody else negotiating would have the same red lines), it’s her lack of flexibility on these that have cause the problems.
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Bets suspended on a GE on 19:20 - Mar 20 with 1501 views
Bets suspended on a GE on 19:18 - Mar 20 by JakeITFC
Well the border becomes a problem if red lines exist on the single market, the customs union and freedom of movement.
Whether you agree with the red lines or not (or think that somebody else negotiating would have the same red lines), it’s her lack of flexibility on these that have cause the problems.
OK- I get it- its about the customs union and freedom of movement. Two fundamentals of leaving. The backstop issue goes away if you agree freedom of movement and a full customs union, because we have no border.
Which, surely, isnt brexit in any meaningful sense?
People keep talking as if May has imposed some unreasonable arbitrary "red lines" which cause all the problems- but what we are really talking about is this:
The essence of leaving the EU is about leaving the controls of the single market, customs union and freedom of movement. If May says we dont need those things, then inevitably a backstop is unecessary and we will never really leave. Thats not an abritrary reed line, its just an inherent property of leaving.
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The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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Bets suspended on a GE on 19:20 - Mar 20 by sparks
OK- I get it- its about the customs union and freedom of movement. Two fundamentals of leaving. The backstop issue goes away if you agree freedom of movement and a full customs union, because we have no border.
Which, surely, isnt brexit in any meaningful sense?
People keep talking as if May has imposed some unreasonable arbitrary "red lines" which cause all the problems- but what we are really talking about is this:
The essence of leaving the EU is about leaving the controls of the single market, customs union and freedom of movement. If May says we dont need those things, then inevitably a backstop is unecessary and we will never really leave. Thats not an abritrary reed line, its just an inherent property of leaving.
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'Brexit' and 'sense' don't belong in the same sentence.
If 'Brexit means Brexit' - a complete, hard break- then May's deal isn't 'Brexit is any meaningful sense' either.
footers QC - Prosecution Barrister, Hasketon Law Chambers
Bets suspended on a GE on 19:20 - Mar 20 by sparks
OK- I get it- its about the customs union and freedom of movement. Two fundamentals of leaving. The backstop issue goes away if you agree freedom of movement and a full customs union, because we have no border.
Which, surely, isnt brexit in any meaningful sense?
People keep talking as if May has imposed some unreasonable arbitrary "red lines" which cause all the problems- but what we are really talking about is this:
The essence of leaving the EU is about leaving the controls of the single market, customs union and freedom of movement. If May says we dont need those things, then inevitably a backstop is unecessary and we will never really leave. Thats not an abritrary reed line, its just an inherent property of leaving.
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Well it’s quite ridiculous to say we want to end freedom of movement and frictionless importing/exporting whilst insisting that we need no hard border in Ireland.
It’s almost as if these things hadn’t been thought about very hard before the referendum.
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Bets suspended on a GE on 19:24 - Mar 20 with 1471 views
Bets suspended on a GE on 19:22 - Mar 20 by footers
'Brexit' and 'sense' don't belong in the same sentence.
If 'Brexit means Brexit' - a complete, hard break- then May's deal isn't 'Brexit is any meaningful sense' either.
Splitting hairs tbh. Mays deal achieves most of what is required but is scuppered by the Irish border.
Ironically, of course, many MPs are objecting to a second referendum on democratic grounds- but the Irish border, which is the primary sticking point, was never part of hte mainstream agenda when the first referendum happened.
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett)
Bets suspended on a GE on 19:20 - Mar 20 by sparks
OK- I get it- its about the customs union and freedom of movement. Two fundamentals of leaving. The backstop issue goes away if you agree freedom of movement and a full customs union, because we have no border.
Which, surely, isnt brexit in any meaningful sense?
People keep talking as if May has imposed some unreasonable arbitrary "red lines" which cause all the problems- but what we are really talking about is this:
The essence of leaving the EU is about leaving the controls of the single market, customs union and freedom of movement. If May says we dont need those things, then inevitably a backstop is unecessary and we will never really leave. Thats not an abritrary reed line, its just an inherent property of leaving.
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Well this is the thing isn’t it. There’s your (I assume) fundamentals of leaving right there. But nobody defined it at the time of the vote, it was remain or leave.
I recall for example, a lot more talk about freedom of movement during the campaign. Nothing on the Irish border, curiously. Mays red lines are preventing progress. If leave means leave, perhaps we should just withdraw, no agreement in place, no commitments honoured, and start from scratch on a future relationship?
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