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Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:45 - Mar 21 by Lord_Lucan
I really must crack on with some work today but I have to say this.
I'm quite surprised BTR doesn't want another referendum to be honest. I don't know for a fact but I would think he voted for remain like me.
He seems a chip off the block as he recognises the damage and the undemocratic nature of a second vote. "Peoples vote"? Who the hell voted in the first one.
Brexit is not good IMHO but the ramifications of it will be nothing compared to a failure to deliver the result. There will be mass civil unrest for a generation.
As a side note I think David Cameron should be imprisoned.
There really won't be massive civil unrest. 70 people turned up for Farage's march the other day. The profile of the average Brexit voter is an 83 year old white male from South Norfolk. There will be lots of tutting and people saying they won't vote again.
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:45 - Mar 21 by Lord_Lucan
I really must crack on with some work today but I have to say this.
I'm quite surprised BTR doesn't want another referendum to be honest. I don't know for a fact but I would think he voted for remain like me.
He seems a chip off the block as he recognises the damage and the undemocratic nature of a second vote. "Peoples vote"? Who the hell voted in the first one.
Brexit is not good IMHO but the ramifications of it will be nothing compared to a failure to deliver the result. There will be mass civil unrest for a generation.
As a side note I think David Cameron should be imprisoned.
I just see it as a rare moment when the public upset the establishment. I'm very ambivalent about the EU as a whole. There's many good things about it but in the last decade it has changed to essentially something that ensures capitalisms smooth functioning (at the expense of real democracy).
So that at this point, with it all having dragged on for years with no one having a scooby, I'd prefer just to leave and get on with it.
Amen on your last sentence. Where is he in all this, the utter chancer
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:42 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia
It's all irrelevant really, I'll be voting for a Labour government regardless of Brexit. There are many more domestic issues that concern me a great deal more than whether we're in political union with the EU.
And you? Waste a vote on the greens or something?
So we got there in the end, wanting a GE is nothing to do with resolving Brexit, it's about implementing domestic policy and using Brexit as a mechanism to get that power.
SB
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Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:52 - Mar 21 with 1945 views
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:42 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia
It's all irrelevant really, I'll be voting for a Labour government regardless of Brexit. There are many more domestic issues that concern me a great deal more than whether we're in political union with the EU.
And you? Waste a vote on the greens or something?
"There are many more domestic issues that concern me a great deal more than whether we're in political union with the EU"
Well said BTR
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:49 - Mar 21 by StokieBlue
So we got there in the end, wanting a GE is nothing to do with resolving Brexit, it's about implementing domestic policy and using Brexit as a mechanism to get that power.
SB
Brexit has been resolved, we voted leave.
I'm all for Corbyn grabbing power. A ways back people on here accused corbyn of not manoeuvring to get power. Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't I guess.
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:55 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia
Brexit has been resolved, we voted leave.
I'm all for Corbyn grabbing power. A ways back people on here accused corbyn of not manoeuvring to get power. Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't I guess.
You were pushing for a GE in order to resolve Brexit about an hour ago. At least you’re being honest about your motives now and it’s a perfectly fair position to hold if it’s what you believe in.
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Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:59 - Mar 21 with 1916 views
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:57 - Mar 21 by StokieBlue
You were pushing for a GE in order to resolve Brexit about an hour ago. At least you’re being honest about your motives now and it’s a perfectly fair position to hold if it’s what you believe in.
SB
I mean, it's my belief that'd it'd kill two birds with one stone but thanks for the validation either way.
The last Labour manifesto didn't do very much to reduce austerity though did it? The signature policy was scrapping tuition fees to get the student vote.
I've been a persistent critic of austerity and the real damage it's done to the state. It was always an ideological project to shrink the state and Labour's failure to argue against the Tory view was the greatest failing of the Milliband era. I don't think that's merely a socialist position anymore, if it was in the first place, it's one shared by a large part of the country.
Style of leadership does matter though, most people aren't as interested in politics as you and I are and make judgements fairly quickly. That's less than optimal but it is reality.
"......most people aren't as interested in politics as you and IÂ ......."
."With the European Central Bank looming ominously over his shoulder, prime minister Mariano Rajoy has introduced labour reforms to make it much easier for businesses to sack their employees, quickly and with less compensation, and these new laws are now cutting swaths through the Spanish workforce, in private and public sectors alike." ......the EU is the European Central Bank...workers' rights (pah!)
"Sánchez Gordillo's philosophy, outlined in his 1980 book Andaluces, Levantaos and in countless speeches and interviews since, is one which is unique to him, though grounded firmly in the historic struggles and uprisings of the peasant pueblos of Andalusia, and their remarkably deep-seated tendency towards anarchism. These communities are striking for being against all authority. "I have never belonged to the communist party of the hammer and sickle, but I am a communist or communitarian," Sánchez Gordillo said in an interview in 2011, adding that his political beliefs were drawn from those of Jesus Christ, Gandhi, Marx, Lenin and Che."
"Our aim was not to create profit, but jobs," Sánchez Gordillo explained to me. This philosophy runs directly counter to the late-capitalist emphasis on "efficiency" — a word that has been elevated to almost holy status in the neoliberal lexicon, but in reality has become a shameful euphemism for the sacrifice of human dignity at the altar of share prices."
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:32 - Mar 21 by Herbivore
I'd be up for that if they are meaningful, free votes. See what sort of deal they would back, go back to the EU with it, then take it back to the people.
Nice edit by the way. I don't appreciate your lies though, but they speak of your character so I'll console myself with that.
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Which lie would that be?
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 11:04 - Mar 21 by ZedRodgers
The feeling is mutual.
Not sure if you missed the thread the other day but I put you in my dream cabinet as Secretary of State for International Trade.
Please don't try and take me down in a coup.
EDIT: By "the feeling is mutual" I mean my love for you, not that I think of you as my child.
[Post edited 21 Mar 2019 11:11]
Man cool Zed
By the way, Tuesday evening I made dinner with the ingredients that I purchased for your vegetarian dinner which you sadly couldn't attend. It was very nice.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 11:23 - Mar 21 by Lord_Lucan
Man cool Zed
By the way, Tuesday evening I made dinner with the ingredients that I purchased for your vegetarian dinner which you sadly couldn't attend. It was very nice.
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:49 - Mar 21 by Herbivore
There really won't be massive civil unrest. 70 people turned up for Farage's march the other day. The profile of the average Brexit voter is an 83 year old white male from South Norfolk. There will be lots of tutting and people saying they won't vote again.
....you forgot 'thick' and 'racist' this time but oh well. Just maybe there are millions of working class leavers that wouldn't want to be seen within a million miles of Farage but who are still pretty handy with a molotov cocktail.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
....you forgot 'thick' and 'racist' this time but oh well. Just maybe there are millions of working class leavers that wouldn't want to be seen within a million miles of Farage but who are still pretty handy with a molotov cocktail.
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:49 - Mar 21 by StokieBlue
So we got there in the end, wanting a GE is nothing to do with resolving Brexit, it's about implementing domestic policy and using Brexit as a mechanism to get that power.
SB
But you stated earlier that GE would be all about Brexit.....which is it?
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
."With the European Central Bank looming ominously over his shoulder, prime minister Mariano Rajoy has introduced labour reforms to make it much easier for businesses to sack their employees, quickly and with less compensation, and these new laws are now cutting swaths through the Spanish workforce, in private and public sectors alike." ......the EU is the European Central Bank...workers' rights (pah!)
"Sánchez Gordillo's philosophy, outlined in his 1980 book Andaluces, Levantaos and in countless speeches and interviews since, is one which is unique to him, though grounded firmly in the historic struggles and uprisings of the peasant pueblos of Andalusia, and their remarkably deep-seated tendency towards anarchism. These communities are striking for being against all authority. "I have never belonged to the communist party of the hammer and sickle, but I am a communist or communitarian," Sánchez Gordillo said in an interview in 2011, adding that his political beliefs were drawn from those of Jesus Christ, Gandhi, Marx, Lenin and Che."
"Our aim was not to create profit, but jobs," Sánchez Gordillo explained to me. This philosophy runs directly counter to the late-capitalist emphasis on "efficiency" — a word that has been elevated to almost holy status in the neoliberal lexicon, but in reality has become a shameful euphemism for the sacrifice of human dignity at the altar of share prices."
Interestingly the new far right party Vox made substantial gains in the recent local election in AndalucÃa. It is possibly true that Spaniards are more politically engaged than the British, but this is probably due to huge corruption cases being tried which badly damaged both PP and PSOE.
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Corbyn you cretin.nm on 11:42 - Mar 21 with 1853 views
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 11:33 - Mar 21 by Herbivore
There you go, making stuff up again. Fantasist.
"Just for a minute let it sink in that the past 3 years (at least) of UK politics has been all about pandering to feckless w@nkpuffins like him. Let that sink in."
.....intelligent w@nkpuffins?...I count you amongst the 'kings of sneer' on this forum.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
"Just for a minute let it sink in that the past 3 years (at least) of UK politics has been all about pandering to feckless w@nkpuffins like him. Let that sink in."
.....intelligent w@nkpuffins?...I count you amongst the 'kings of sneer' on this forum.
I call it as I see it. If I see a feckless w@nkpuffin I'm going to call it a feckless w@nkpuffin. Clearly this upsets you as you think by implication you might also be a feckless w@nkpuffin for voting leave, but that's your inference, not mine.
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 12:01 - Mar 21 by Herbivore
I call it as I see it. If I see a feckless w@nkpuffin I'm going to call it a feckless w@nkpuffin. Clearly this upsets you as you think by implication you might also be a feckless w@nkpuffin for voting leave, but that's your inference, not mine.
17.2 million of them.....welcome to your world.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Corbyn you cretin.nm on 11:34 - Mar 21 by blueislander
Interestingly the new far right party Vox made substantial gains in the recent local election in AndalucÃa. It is possibly true that Spaniards are more politically engaged than the British, but this is probably due to huge corruption cases being tried which badly damaged both PP and PSOE.
The far right seem to be doing rather well throughout Europe under the European Central Bank's, I mean EU's, watch!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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