| No Deal..... 11:01 - Mar 29 with 13737 views | hampstead_blue |
Mervyn King on this morning's Today program put together a really interesting case for No Deal.
Take out the words 'crashing' and 'we're all doomed' and he talks sense. He was the Gov og the BoE FGS!
If the EU won't open the deal then we get an extension for 6 months and plan more for no deal.
He says that much of the work has been done.
He also accepts some short term minor shocks but points out a number of credible metrics as to how the economy has performed against Osbourne, Carney et all's prediction of recession and doom.
I'm a Lever, dead right, but am not for burning the house down. I do think he's got a lot of good points but doubt he will get much airtime as the media is bias to Remain (light tough paper)..........
I'm sure many will jump all over this but it's come from a highly regarded source AND HE LOVES CRICKET!!!! Can't be bad.......
Oh, it's a lovely sunny day in Wilts. All happy.
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| No Deal..... on 11:04 - Mar 29 with 4872 views | Lord_Lucan |
I'm the opposite to you.
I'm a remainer but if we leave I'm happy to "Crash out" |  |
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| No Deal..... on 11:05 - Mar 29 with 4864 views | Dyland |
I can't be alone as someone who voted remain who would rather see no deal as well. |  |
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| snap (n/t) on 11:06 - Mar 29 with 4853 views | Dyland |
| No Deal..... on 11:04 - Mar 29 by Lord_Lucan |
I'm the opposite to you.
I'm a remainer but if we leave I'm happy to "Crash out" |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:10 - Mar 29 with 4841 views | BlueBadger |
| No Deal..... on 11:05 - Mar 29 by Dyland |
I can't be alone as someone who voted remain who would rather see no deal as well. |
Well, if there's one thing that this whoel farce has demonstrated it's that there's plenty of f*cking idiots who think that total and utter ruin is a price worth paying for a blue passport. [Post edited 29 Mar 2019 11:12]
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| No Deal..... on 11:13 - Mar 29 with 4819 views | BlueBadger |
| No Deal..... on 11:04 - Mar 29 by Lord_Lucan |
I'm the opposite to you.
I'm a remainer but if we leave I'm happy to "Crash out" |
Because more expensive imports, more difficult travel, the very real potential for resurgance of violence in NI, a tanking pound and public services facing shortages and increased cost of vital supplies is price worth paying for a blue passport? | |
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| No Deal..... on 11:14 - Mar 29 with 4817 views | giant_stow |
| No Deal..... on 11:05 - Mar 29 by Dyland |
I can't be alone as someone who voted remain who would rather see no deal as well. |
Its better than the May's servitude deal as an option and would settle the arguing, so know what you mean. Give the pricks what they want and be done with it - if it goes wrong, then we know who to blame.
I'd still prefer another vote above either of those options though. |  |
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| No Deal..... on 11:18 - Mar 29 with 4792 views | Dyland |
| No Deal..... on 11:13 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
Because more expensive imports, more difficult travel, the very real potential for resurgance of violence in NI, a tanking pound and public services facing shortages and increased cost of vital supplies is price worth paying for a blue passport? |
A short sharp shock, for sure. But with the ability (yeh yeh I know) to sort out the deals over the coming years, instead of tying us to unfavourable terms now.
Emphasis on "short"... which is subjective... but I accept if we're leaving there will be a few years of rockiness. | |
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| No Deal..... on 11:20 - Mar 29 with 4780 views | BlueBadger |
| No Deal..... on 11:18 - Mar 29 by Dyland |
A short sharp shock, for sure. But with the ability (yeh yeh I know) to sort out the deals over the coming years, instead of tying us to unfavourable terms now.
Emphasis on "short"... which is subjective... but I accept if we're leaving there will be a few years of rockiness. |
Are we talking 'short' in the goelogical sense here? Because the following mass deregulation, privatisation and 'liberalisation'(read:removal of rights and protections) will be nigh-on impossible to walk back. As will the loss of long-establihed industries. | |
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| No Deal..... on 11:20 - Mar 29 with 4775 views | Herbivore |
| No Deal..... on 11:18 - Mar 29 by Dyland |
A short sharp shock, for sure. But with the ability (yeh yeh I know) to sort out the deals over the coming years, instead of tying us to unfavourable terms now.
Emphasis on "short"... which is subjective... but I accept if we're leaving there will be a few years of rockiness. |
Most predictions see the economy still being weaker in 10 years under a no deal scenario. Would you trust this shower to negotiate favourable deals to mitigate the impact? |  |
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| No Deal..... on 11:20 - Mar 29 with 4776 views | Lord_Lucan |
| No Deal..... on 11:13 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
Because more expensive imports, more difficult travel, the very real potential for resurgance of violence in NI, a tanking pound and public services facing shortages and increased cost of vital supplies is price worth paying for a blue passport? |
There is no point in discussing this with you Badger so let's leave it there eh.
Nice to see your polite response on your previous post by the way.
I bid you good day. | |
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| I was pretty clear about what I meant on 11:23 - Mar 29 with 4760 views | Dyland |
| No Deal..... on 11:20 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
Are we talking 'short' in the goelogical sense here? Because the following mass deregulation, privatisation and 'liberalisation'(read:removal of rights and protections) will be nigh-on impossible to walk back. As will the loss of long-establihed industries. |
Not gonna argue the toss though, cos we're actually pretty much aligned on this matter, when all is said and done. | |
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| No Deal..... on 11:23 - Mar 29 with 4759 views | BlueBadger |
| No Deal..... on 11:20 - Mar 29 by Lord_Lucan |
There is no point in discussing this with you Badger so let's leave it there eh.
Nice to see your polite response on your previous post by the way.
I bid you good day. |
...because I'm right. No deal is utter clusterf*ck and nobody sane, particularly running a business, should be seriously advocating for it. [Post edited 29 Mar 2019 11:41]
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| No Deal..... on 11:26 - Mar 29 with 4736 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| No Deal..... on 11:18 - Mar 29 by Dyland |
A short sharp shock, for sure. But with the ability (yeh yeh I know) to sort out the deals over the coming years, instead of tying us to unfavourable terms now.
Emphasis on "short"... which is subjective... but I accept if we're leaving there will be a few years of rockiness. |
Do people realise that May's deal in not actually the end state of our relationship with the EU? It's just the point that allows us to withdraw from the EU and do trade deals with other countries, whilst at the same time opening up trade talks covering the long term relationship between Britain and the EU. Once those trade talks are concluded (probably within another 18-24 months or so) , then we are out |  |
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| No Deal..... on 11:31 - Mar 29 with 4717 views | soupytwist |
| No Deal..... on 11:13 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
Because more expensive imports, more difficult travel, the very real potential for resurgance of violence in NI, a tanking pound and public services facing shortages and increased cost of vital supplies is price worth paying for a blue passport? |
No, but maybe that will be what it takes to expose the far right of the Tory party for the venal, self serving bellends that they are and we can start a different way of running this country. |  | | |
| No Deal..... on 11:33 - Mar 29 with 4709 views | BlueBadger |
| No Deal..... on 11:31 - Mar 29 by soupytwist |
No, but maybe that will be what it takes to expose the far right of the Tory party for the venal, self serving bellends that they are and we can start a different way of running this country. |
I'm sure that 'we must make sacrifices for the greater good' is a wholly noble aim, either. It's practically a supervillain plan. | |
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| No Deal..... on 11:36 - Mar 29 with 4698 views | SWGF |
The darts player? What does he know? |  |
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| No Deal..... on 11:40 - Mar 29 with 4693 views | Guthrum |
Thing is, that's tantamount to leaving with a deal. Involves agreeing with the EU a six-month grace period to make preparations - presumably including arrangements for trade, travel, finances and so forth (not to mention participation or otherwise in EU parliamentary elections). That is just a truncated and greatly simplified version of the Withdrawal Agreement May negotiated. It's just a different deal.
No Deal means no deal, departing the EU without any preparations or agreements in place. [Post edited 29 Mar 2019 11:41]
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| No Deal..... on 11:40 - Mar 29 with 4680 views | Ryorry |
From the sound of it, a 0.1 Lever*
*Sorry, just had keys cut, so have locks on my mind  |  |
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| No Deal..... on 11:42 - Mar 29 with 4662 views | Lord_Lucan |
| No Deal..... on 11:26 - Mar 29 by Ewan_Oozami |
Do people realise that May's deal in not actually the end state of our relationship with the EU? It's just the point that allows us to withdraw from the EU and do trade deals with other countries, whilst at the same time opening up trade talks covering the long term relationship between Britain and the EU. Once those trade talks are concluded (probably within another 18-24 months or so) , then we are out |
There are a few things very wrong with the deal but to address your main point doesn't her deal stop us from doing any international trade deals until after the transition period?
Unless of course it's been changed. | |
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| No Deal..... on 11:43 - Mar 29 with 4655 views | MattinLondon |
Just out of interest what media is bias towards remain? Murdochs rags? The express? The mail? |  | | |
| No Deal..... on 11:53 - Mar 29 with 4623 views | Darth_Koont |
"He also accepts some short term minor shocks but points out a number of credible metrics as to how the economy has performed against Osbourne, Carney et all's prediction of recession and doom."
Be interested to see what those metrics are. Because our economic performance is within the context of still being in the EU and a massive QE injection. Leaving the EU would need to be the new base we're looking at where we need to develop new relationships all the way down to individual companies needing to change their processes and potentially their business model and markets which all costs money before tariffs or border restrictions even come into it. And all without the Bank of England pumping in money to keep things working - or is that part of the plan? |  |
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| No Deal..... on 12:00 - Mar 29 with 4591 views | pickles110564 |
| No Deal..... on 11:13 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
Because more expensive imports, more difficult travel, the very real potential for resurgance of violence in NI, a tanking pound and public services facing shortages and increased cost of vital supplies is price worth paying for a blue passport? |
Have you seen how high the pound has jumped? Is not because there is problems with the EURO? |  | | |
| No Deal..... on 12:05 - Mar 29 with 4561 views | hampstead_blue |
| No Deal..... on 11:23 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
...because I'm right. No deal is utter clusterf*ck and nobody sane, particularly running a business, should be seriously advocating for it. [Post edited 29 Mar 2019 11:41]
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your replies are what makes the debate often pointless.
You can throw insults at those with the opposite view. It does look poor and isn't needed.
Would you like to debate or throw insults? If the latter then, as has been said, Good day. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| No Deal..... on 12:06 - Mar 29 with 4551 views | Guthrum |
| No Deal..... on 11:42 - Mar 29 by Lord_Lucan |
There are a few things very wrong with the deal but to address your main point doesn't her deal stop us from doing any international trade deals until after the transition period?
Unless of course it's been changed. |
Certainly it does not prevent us from negotiating them, even if they perhaps cannot be enacted until the transition is finished. Once the WA is in force, we are no longer within the EU.
The whole point of the WA is as a grace period to get things sorted out (with the EU and others) for afterwards. | |
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| No Deal..... on 12:08 - Mar 29 with 4546 views | hampstead_blue |
| No Deal..... on 11:40 - Mar 29 by Guthrum |
Thing is, that's tantamount to leaving with a deal. Involves agreeing with the EU a six-month grace period to make preparations - presumably including arrangements for trade, travel, finances and so forth (not to mention participation or otherwise in EU parliamentary elections). That is just a truncated and greatly simplified version of the Withdrawal Agreement May negotiated. It's just a different deal.
No Deal means no deal, departing the EU without any preparations or agreements in place. [Post edited 29 Mar 2019 11:41]
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well said Sir.
I think it's one of the most sensible ideas for a long time. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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