| Blimey! on 15:26 - Apr 17 with 4123 views | J2BLUE |
Not surprised by that. Disappointed, but not surprised. |  |
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| Blimey! on 15:28 - Apr 17 with 4116 views | Steve_M |
Slight caveat that that is a poll on the back of a Farage campaign launch and heavy media coverage but there is a definite need for the Remain parties to step up given their current approach is self-defeating:
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/04/17/remainers-are-making-a-pig-s-ear-of-
The limits of Labour's 'constructive ambiguity' has clearly been reached too. Not much point for a party dangling a mild promise of a second referendum only for that vote to be claimed by the party's front bench as one for Brexit. |  |
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| Blimey! on 15:34 - Apr 17 with 4075 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Blimey! on 15:28 - Apr 17 by Steve_M |
Slight caveat that that is a poll on the back of a Farage campaign launch and heavy media coverage but there is a definite need for the Remain parties to step up given their current approach is self-defeating:
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/04/17/remainers-are-making-a-pig-s-ear-of-
The limits of Labour's 'constructive ambiguity' has clearly been reached too. Not much point for a party dangling a mild promise of a second referendum only for that vote to be claimed by the party's front bench as one for Brexit. |
Even so, the only parties of remain are all polling poorly. Greens 10%, Lib Dems 9% and CHUK 6%.
Of those remain parties the only single issue party are CHUK who are bottom. Of the Brexit parties, the only single issue party BREXIT are top.
You would expect the EU elections to used to by remainers and leavers alike to express their preference and remainers are severely lacking. |  |
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| Blimey! on 15:37 - Apr 17 with 4045 views | BOjK |
| Blimey! on 15:28 - Apr 17 by Steve_M |
Slight caveat that that is a poll on the back of a Farage campaign launch and heavy media coverage but there is a definite need for the Remain parties to step up given their current approach is self-defeating:
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/04/17/remainers-are-making-a-pig-s-ear-of-
The limits of Labour's 'constructive ambiguity' has clearly been reached too. Not much point for a party dangling a mild promise of a second referendum only for that vote to be claimed by the party's front bench as one for Brexit. |
I disagree with the conclusions of that blog. I can't see how it helps remainers to work together. It is important for ChangeUK and the LibDems to get all the votes they can each.
ChangeUK needs to make a statement that it is a plausible party, able to get MPs elected into parliament, and the LibDems need to ensure that it isn't.
What everyone analysing that vote will do is add up the tories, brexit party and UKIP, and put them as 'LEAVE', and on the other side they'll add the SNP, Greens, LDs and ChangeUK, and make that 'REMAIN'. Some will include Labour, in the remain total, and some won't.
That said it is a hugely impressive achievement for Farage to get his lot to top of the poll in virtually no time. He's a massively influential politician, for good or ill. It is doubtful Brexit would have happened without him. |  |
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| Blimey! on 15:49 - Apr 17 with 3970 views | GavTWTD |
Can you explain why it matters how we vote in the European Parliament? I'm asking for a friend. |  |
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| Blimey! on 15:50 - Apr 17 with 3958 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Blimey! on 15:49 - Apr 17 by GavTWTD |
Can you explain why it matters how we vote in the European Parliament? I'm asking for a friend. |
As they won't be serving there very long, the main reason would be to lodge your protest either for or against Brexit this time around. [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 15:55]
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| Blimey! on 15:58 - Apr 17 with 3896 views | Guthrum |
| Blimey! on 15:50 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue |
As they won't be serving there very long, the main reason would be to lodge your protest either for or against Brexit this time around. [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 15:55]
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* might not be serving there very long ...
Who knows what's going to happen in six months' time? |  |
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| Blimey! on 16:01 - Apr 17 with 3879 views | GlasgowBlue |
"Don't knows" and "won't votes" have traditionally been spread in proportion with the polls after an election. [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 16:05]
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| Blimey! on 16:13 - Apr 17 with 3813 views | Guthrum |
| Blimey! on 16:01 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue |
"Don't knows" and "won't votes" have traditionally been spread in proportion with the polls after an election. [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 16:05]
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To an extent, but we are at a very early stage yet. For a start, there may be a reaction to the publication of the results of this poll. | |
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| Blimey! on 16:18 - Apr 17 with 3787 views | No9 |
| Blimey! on 16:13 - Apr 17 by Guthrum |
To an extent, but we are at a very early stage yet. For a start, there may be a reaction to the publication of the results of this poll. |
Not to mention how bad poll predictions have been in recent years |  | | |
| Blimey! on 16:36 - Apr 17 with 3744 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey! on 15:49 - Apr 17 by GavTWTD |
Can you explain why it matters how we vote in the European Parliament? I'm asking for a friend. |
Indeed. It was bad enough how the Eurosceptics wasted votes to elect UKIP who didn't want to engage. Now in the middle of Brexit shenanigans these protest votes and the people they'll elect are even more meaningless. |  |
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| Blimey! on 16:50 - Apr 17 with 3710 views | m14_blue |
It would seem that support for a no deal Brexit is far lower than has been suggested then.
Good news. | | | |
| Blimey! on 17:14 - Apr 17 with 3638 views | pickles110564 |
| Blimey! on 15:26 - Apr 17 by J2BLUE |
Not surprised by that. Disappointed, but not surprised. |
Why are you disappointed? We are still fuming with how the Tories and labour have let us all down. |  | | |
| Blimey! on 17:16 - Apr 17 with 3627 views | pickles110564 |
| Blimey! on 16:18 - Apr 17 by No9 |
Not to mention how bad poll predictions have been in recent years |
Now you say the polls don't matter, make me laugh you do. | | | |
| Blimey! on 17:18 - Apr 17 with 3620 views | pickles110564 |
| Blimey! on 16:50 - Apr 17 by m14_blue |
It would seem that support for a no deal Brexit is far lower than has been suggested then.
Good news. |
LOL. clutching at straws again. 34% for no deal parties without count the Tories & Labour votes that want no deal too. | | | |
| Blimey! on 17:32 - Apr 17 with 3597 views | StokieBlue |
| Blimey! on 17:18 - Apr 17 by pickles110564 |
LOL. clutching at straws again. 34% for no deal parties without count the Tories & Labour votes that want no deal too. |
Surely a Tory or Labour vote who wanted no deal would vote for the brexit party. It's not a general election.
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| Blimey! on 17:46 - Apr 17 with 3565 views | pickles110564 |
| Blimey! on 17:32 - Apr 17 by StokieBlue |
Surely a Tory or Labour vote who wanted no deal would vote for the brexit party. It's not a general election.
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How would that be, the remoaners say we are all thick, how would be realise and vote that way? | | | |
| Blimey! on 17:47 - Apr 17 with 3564 views | chicoazul |
Why blimey? Nothing surprising here, other than people still not getting it. |  |
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| Blimey! on 17:48 - Apr 17 with 3552 views | J2BLUE |
| Blimey! on 17:14 - Apr 17 by pickles110564 |
Why are you disappointed? We are still fuming with how the Tories and labour have let us all down. |
Because I hope we don't leave and if we eventually do decide to stay we're going to have MEPs who are just out to cause maximum disruption if this poll is accurate. | |
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| Blimey! on 17:51 - Apr 17 with 3537 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Blimey! on 17:32 - Apr 17 by StokieBlue |
Surely a Tory or Labour vote who wanted no deal would vote for the brexit party. It's not a general election.
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or UKip who add 7% to the no deal total. Plus you will have dyed in the wool Tories who will only vote Tory. Just as you have dyed in the wool Labour voters who will only vote Labour.
Not that I'm advocating No Deal. But based on party policy we have
34% No Deal Brexit
22% Labour's unicorn Brexit
15% Mays deal Brexit
Some form of Brexit 71% VS 25% Remain | |
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| Blimey! on 17:53 - Apr 17 with 3530 views | lowhouseblue |
| Blimey! on 15:37 - Apr 17 by BOjK |
I disagree with the conclusions of that blog. I can't see how it helps remainers to work together. It is important for ChangeUK and the LibDems to get all the votes they can each.
ChangeUK needs to make a statement that it is a plausible party, able to get MPs elected into parliament, and the LibDems need to ensure that it isn't.
What everyone analysing that vote will do is add up the tories, brexit party and UKIP, and put them as 'LEAVE', and on the other side they'll add the SNP, Greens, LDs and ChangeUK, and make that 'REMAIN'. Some will include Labour, in the remain total, and some won't.
That said it is a hugely impressive achievement for Farage to get his lot to top of the poll in virtually no time. He's a massively influential politician, for good or ill. It is doubtful Brexit would have happened without him. |
you would have to put labour down as can't decide / won't say. |  |
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| Blimey! on 17:57 - Apr 17 with 3516 views | J2BLUE |
| Blimey! on 17:51 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue |
or UKip who add 7% to the no deal total. Plus you will have dyed in the wool Tories who will only vote Tory. Just as you have dyed in the wool Labour voters who will only vote Labour.
Not that I'm advocating No Deal. But based on party policy we have
34% No Deal Brexit
22% Labour's unicorn Brexit
15% Mays deal Brexit
Some form of Brexit 71% VS 25% Remain |
I don't think anyone can read anything into these results. If we look at the European elections where UKIP won you would think leave would have won with a landslide. I'm sure there are plenty of remainers who are also diehard Tories. | |
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| Blimey! on 17:59 - Apr 17 with 3507 views | m14_blue |
| Blimey! on 17:18 - Apr 17 by pickles110564 |
LOL. clutching at straws again. 34% for no deal parties without count the Tories & Labour votes that want no deal too. |
Well it was tongue in cheek really but I think it’s fair to assume that anyone who’s maniac enough to want no deal is almost certain to vote UKIP or Chairman Nige.
That’s 34%, nothing like what the no deal proponents would have us believe. | | | |
| Blimey! on 18:03 - Apr 17 with 3484 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Maybe the People's vote thing isn't such a good idea.......perhaps 'populism' would be a good excuse to skip democracy and just hand power to clever experts and technocrats! |  |
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