| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age 07:51 - Apr 21 with 4266 views | Dubtractor |
The view being that they are past it because they are 33. This is a bit odd to me, as 33 is not exactly over the hill for the positions they play in.
For example, Mowbray was much older when we went up in 2000, and Venus was 33 and played 2 seasons in the premier league.
I'll take some convincing that a DM and CB can't perform in league one aged 33. |  |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 08:01 - Apr 21 with 3884 views | TractorWood |
So arbitrary references to 20 years ago are enough to convince you? What about Gary Neville who at the start of his last season realised he just couldn't keep up anymore. The way Skuse got turned at Preston was shades of the same. What about Douglas getting released by Brentford for the same reason? Again, just arbitrary references. Best to say what you see and both look obviously done.
Tough to watch and both been great servants. I think Chambers would be more help on the coaching staff. His attitude and professionalism are what we need and that doesn't have to involve playing. [Post edited 21 Apr 2019 8:04]
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 08:23 - Apr 21 with 3829 views | textbackup |
I’ve been of the opinion that they are important for the development of the kids, however on the face of it, defensively we have been sht for a few years, midfield overran for a few years.... 2 players key in those roles are those you mention.
I’m just not too sure anymore, watching those Preston goals was painful |  |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 08:56 - Apr 21 with 3769 views | christiand |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 08:23 - Apr 21 by textbackup |
I’ve been of the opinion that they are important for the development of the kids, however on the face of it, defensively we have been sht for a few years, midfield overran for a few years.... 2 players key in those roles are those you mention.
I’m just not too sure anymore, watching those Preston goals was painful |
A big 'IF' I know, but there is a huge chasm of an opportunity for Huws and Adeyemi in our midfield, if they want to grab it. If we could get them both fit and firing they'd be huge additions in League One. Huws is still contracted to us, but Adeyemi is a completely different story. I'd invite Adeyemi back for pre-season, which some on here have suggested, see how things develop. Both players need to be playing to prove their worth and prove to themselves they can still do it. Who knows whether that's long term with us or looking to get a move to another club? I'm not sure many clubs would want to take a risk on either of them currently, so this might be their best opportunity, which could work in our favour as beggars can't be choosers? [Post edited 21 Apr 2019 9:09]
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 09:01 - Apr 21 with 3744 views | RegencyBlue |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 08:23 - Apr 21 by textbackup |
I’ve been of the opinion that they are important for the development of the kids, however on the face of it, defensively we have been sht for a few years, midfield overran for a few years.... 2 players key in those roles are those you mention.
I’m just not too sure anymore, watching those Preston goals was painful |
To be fair they haven’t exactly had quality around them.
Having said that Chambers has had a very poor season from what I’ve seen.
Skuse was rushed back too soon from injury and hasn’t performed well at all.
I think both have a part to play next season but I wouldn’t be building a team around them. |  | | |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 09:12 - Apr 21 with 3699 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 08:01 - Apr 21 by TractorWood |
So arbitrary references to 20 years ago are enough to convince you? What about Gary Neville who at the start of his last season realised he just couldn't keep up anymore. The way Skuse got turned at Preston was shades of the same. What about Douglas getting released by Brentford for the same reason? Again, just arbitrary references. Best to say what you see and both look obviously done.
Tough to watch and both been great servants. I think Chambers would be more help on the coaching staff. His attitude and professionalism are what we need and that doesn't have to involve playing. [Post edited 21 Apr 2019 8:04]
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Couldn’t agree more. Both are massively on the decline and should be cover, no more.
Dubs, 33 isn’t an issue, form is. |  | | |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 09:26 - Apr 21 with 3654 views | Guthrum |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 08:01 - Apr 21 by TractorWood |
So arbitrary references to 20 years ago are enough to convince you? What about Gary Neville who at the start of his last season realised he just couldn't keep up anymore. The way Skuse got turned at Preston was shades of the same. What about Douglas getting released by Brentford for the same reason? Again, just arbitrary references. Best to say what you see and both look obviously done.
Tough to watch and both been great servants. I think Chambers would be more help on the coaching staff. His attitude and professionalism are what we need and that doesn't have to involve playing. [Post edited 21 Apr 2019 8:04]
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Neville was 36 and playing in the Prem. Douglas was in the Championship.
We're talking about League One, not noted for being faster and more athletic than the divisions above. Indeed, Chambers' physicality and toughness could be a real advantage. |  |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 09:29 - Apr 21 with 3638 views | Pendejo |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 08:01 - Apr 21 by TractorWood |
So arbitrary references to 20 years ago are enough to convince you? What about Gary Neville who at the start of his last season realised he just couldn't keep up anymore. The way Skuse got turned at Preston was shades of the same. What about Douglas getting released by Brentford for the same reason? Again, just arbitrary references. Best to say what you see and both look obviously done.
Tough to watch and both been great servants. I think Chambers would be more help on the coaching staff. His attitude and professionalism are what we need and that doesn't have to involve playing. [Post edited 21 Apr 2019 8:04]
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I feel that Chambers' decline massively influenced the relegation, which is a real shame as I see him as "one of us"
To clarify, not an Ipswich fan as such but a fan who made the grade as a footballer, someone who has a connection with the fans - as demonstrated by way of the sadly [last season] under used fist pump. Excellent rapport with the fans, and, seemingly someone who will stay in the area beyond his career.
The other aspect is bodily wear & tear is more of an issue if they are having to work harder to cover the inexperience, incompetence or simple insouciance of others. |  |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 10:23 - Apr 21 with 3548 views | No9 |
33 isn't too old for a Centre half but it is for a RB or someone having to cover two positions as the Skipper has had to. He has been a driving force for the team but sings are he is struggling.
33 is too old for a good midfielder who has to support the attack + cover for FB's goign forward.
CS hasn't looked the part for several seasons now & it is easy to see what he was marmite at the titties
GK's can go on for a while as long as they have a defence they can rely on for consistency. BB has had many problems this season which has coincided with the midfield defence being as strong as tissue and a defence that has often been absent. | | | |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 11:52 - Apr 21 with 3473 views | Bluefish |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 09:26 - Apr 21 by Guthrum |
Neville was 36 and playing in the Prem. Douglas was in the Championship.
We're talking about League One, not noted for being faster and more athletic than the divisions above. Indeed, Chambers' physicality and toughness could be a real advantage. |
You are going to need to explain to these lot that 36 is a bigger number than 33 |  |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 12:03 - Apr 21 with 3458 views | PJH |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 11:52 - Apr 21 by Bluefish |
You are going to need to explain to these lot that 36 is a bigger number than 33 |
Bit like 24 being a bigger number than 12. |  | | |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 13:00 - Apr 21 with 3378 views | textbackup |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 09:26 - Apr 21 by Guthrum |
Neville was 36 and playing in the Prem. Douglas was in the Championship.
We're talking about League One, not noted for being faster and more athletic than the divisions above. Indeed, Chambers' physicality and toughness could be a real advantage. |
I beg that people don’t think L1 is just a punch up on the pitch for 90mins, young lads with pace worry me against LC and CS | |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 13:06 - Apr 21 with 3365 views | BlueBadger |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 12:03 - Apr 21 by PJH |
Bit like 24 being a bigger number than 12. |
Yes, but look how many teams we're propping up. |  |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 13:26 - Apr 21 with 3318 views | reusersfreekicks |
Bit out there i know but why not see how they get on in the first few games and take it from there. As has been said Skuse was playing well until his injury, so a rest may see him come back. Chambers has not been good enough this season but in a lower std with an overall improved team may well be ok next season. Balance people... |  | | |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 13:29 - Apr 21 with 3313 views | JETPower |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 11:52 - Apr 21 by Bluefish |
You are going to need to explain to these lot that 36 is a bigger number than 33 |
never mind that, someone's going to have to explain to me 'marmite at the titties'... |  | | |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 13:30 - Apr 21 with 3314 views | LovelyGeorge |
Mowbray had a footballing brain to cover up for his lack of pace, as did Venus.
Chambers does not. Pace becomes more of an asset in League One - look at the success Kaiden Jackson had. Chambers will be a liability as he has been this season. Undoubtedly a good bloke, full of effort and wants the best for the club, but he will be far better used off the pitch rather than on it.
The idea that somehow this squad will suddenly become world beaters in League One is baffling. Will be mid table at best. Lambert needs to start getting results on the pitch, not just succeeding will his impressive PR off it. |  |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 13:41 - Apr 21 with 3292 views | BlueBadger |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 13:30 - Apr 21 by LovelyGeorge |
Mowbray had a footballing brain to cover up for his lack of pace, as did Venus.
Chambers does not. Pace becomes more of an asset in League One - look at the success Kaiden Jackson had. Chambers will be a liability as he has been this season. Undoubtedly a good bloke, full of effort and wants the best for the club, but he will be far better used off the pitch rather than on it.
The idea that somehow this squad will suddenly become world beaters in League One is baffling. Will be mid table at best. Lambert needs to start getting results on the pitch, not just succeeding will his impressive PR off it. |
Point of order: Kayden Jackson has never scored a goal in League One.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayden_Jackson#Career_statistics | |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 13:43 - Apr 21 with 3285 views | clive_baker |
Yeah it would be a shame to see Skuse lose all that pace he’s got... |  |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 13:43 - Apr 21 with 3284 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 09:12 - Apr 21 by OsborneOneNil |
Couldn’t agree more. Both are massively on the decline and should be cover, no more.
Dubs, 33 isn’t an issue, form is. |
Exactly the form is an issue.
Some people have been desperate for any kind of excuses for Chambers and Skuse. Just because they say nice things in the interviews that people want to hear and they've been at the club for a while.
'Their experience will be vital for young players next season'. First, their experience WAS NOT vital at all this season for the lower leagues' players we had signed last summer so why assuming it will be vital next season for the younger ones? Second, we need an experience that DOES INFLUENCE games in a positive way. And third, any League One player with a bit of pace will go past them easily.
We have had a few decent games last February/March where Skuse was either missing or playing a little part. And no coincidence the performances were much better.
As you say they both should be a cover at best. |  | | |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 13:46 - Apr 21 with 3276 views | LovelyGeorge |
Sorry. Stand corrected! But my point is that pace becomes just as much, if not more of an asset in the lower leagues | |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 14:35 - Apr 21 with 3205 views | Bluefish |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 13:43 - Apr 21 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Exactly the form is an issue.
Some people have been desperate for any kind of excuses for Chambers and Skuse. Just because they say nice things in the interviews that people want to hear and they've been at the club for a while.
'Their experience will be vital for young players next season'. First, their experience WAS NOT vital at all this season for the lower leagues' players we had signed last summer so why assuming it will be vital next season for the younger ones? Second, we need an experience that DOES INFLUENCE games in a positive way. And third, any League One player with a bit of pace will go past them easily.
We have had a few decent games last February/March where Skuse was either missing or playing a little part. And no coincidence the performances were much better.
As you say they both should be a cover at best. |
Don't panic mate Lambert has lined up Elder and Dawkins to replace them | |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 15:55 - Apr 21 with 3146 views | MrTown |
They’re past it because they aren’t good enough. |  |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 19:34 - Apr 21 with 3005 views | braveblue |
Mowbray and Venus were good players. | | | |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 19:34 - Apr 21 with 3005 views | Radlett_blue |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 09:12 - Apr 21 by OsborneOneNil |
Couldn’t agree more. Both are massively on the decline and should be cover, no more.
Dubs, 33 isn’t an issue, form is. |
They have both had poor seasons and they, along with Bart, should have been the experienced spine from which Hurst's signings could learn. Skuse seemed incapable of playing further forward, which was what Hurst wanted him to do in his favoured 4-1-4-1 formation. Lambert seems to want to play 4-3-3 and I'm not sure an ageing Skuse fits into that. Chambers is supposed to be the experienced head who guides Nsiala; maybe, but Woolfenden might have something to say about that. |  |
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| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 23:09 - Apr 21 with 2872 views | Blue_Moses |
You're not comparing Mowbray to Chambers are you? | | | |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 08:05 - Apr 22 with 2770 views | Dubtractor |
| Lots of comments about Chambers and Skuse age on 23:09 - Apr 21 by Blue_Moses |
You're not comparing Mowbray to Chambers are you? |
No, no I'm not.
Also, for the view that Mogga and Venus are not relevant as too long ago, what about Delaney and McAuley (players a lot were happy to see leave), who were still playing in the premier league last season aged 36 and 38?
I stick by my point, 33 is no problem for positions that do not rely on pace. If they are not good enough then so be it, but I don't think its about age, more about form - and in fairness if you are part of a team playing poorly most weeks then it is difficult to shine! [Post edited 22 Apr 2019 8:07]
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