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2nd referendum 09:14 - May 12 with 8292 viewsgazzer1999

For all those that are seeking a 2nd referendum are you using the upcoming euro elections as just that?. It would be a good way for you to prove a point by not voting Labour or Conservative, and instead voting Libdems as they are the only party that have said they want to stay in the EU and have a clear way forward.
On the other hand if the Brexit Party get the most votes will they accept that they could not win a 2nd referendum?
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2nd referendum on 09:17 - May 12 with 2984 viewsDubtractor

In answer to the first question yes.

For the second, it isn't quite that simple, much as the local election last week didn't mean we all want to stay after all.

That said, if Brexit party storm it, I've no doubt that the main parties will see it as proof that they need to deliver brexit.

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2nd referendum on 09:26 - May 12 with 2958 viewsWeWereZombies

Nine O'clock news just said that The Brexit Party are likely to be the biggest winners in the EU elections.

Also an item of on the rise of organised crime and how it is now responsible for more deaths than war and famine put together as criminals use ever more sophisticated ways of practising crime.

Just saying...

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2nd referendum on 09:52 - May 12 with 2914 viewsSteveMcCallsTeeth

They will never allow another referendum. You cant dismiss 17 million votes just like that. It would cripple democracy in this country forever.
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2nd referendum on 09:56 - May 12 with 2902 viewsgazzer1999

2nd referendum on 09:26 - May 12 by WeWereZombies

Nine O'clock news just said that The Brexit Party are likely to be the biggest winners in the EU elections.

Also an item of on the rise of organised crime and how it is now responsible for more deaths than war and famine put together as criminals use ever more sophisticated ways of practising crime.

Just saying...


So are you saying being in the EU is the reason behind the rise of organised crime?
As we have not currently left that is how your view is coming across, and that the EU are doing nothing to stamp it out.
Perhaps individual countries should take more responsibility, rather than hiding behind a curtain of the EU which in your words is clearly failing.
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2nd referendum on 09:56 - May 12 with 2895 viewsHerbivore

2nd referendum on 09:52 - May 12 by SteveMcCallsTeeth

They will never allow another referendum. You cant dismiss 17 million votes just like that. It would cripple democracy in this country forever.


Those 17m can still vote in a second referendum.

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2nd referendum on 09:56 - May 12 with 2895 viewsRocky

2nd referendum on 09:52 - May 12 by SteveMcCallsTeeth

They will never allow another referendum. You cant dismiss 17 million votes just like that. It would cripple democracy in this country forever.


What crippled democracy was the lies told by the Brexiteers.
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2nd referendum on 10:03 - May 12 with 2879 viewsOldsmoker

The Green party, SNP, Plaid Cymru and Change UK have also said that they want to stay in the EU.
That bit about "a clear way forward" is actually going back - to the way it was before the referendum.
The Brexit party is a "single issue" party. They have no other policies so a vote for them is an unambiguos vote for Brexit.
It's rather clever of Farage to keep it one-dimensionable.
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I'm voting Green ..... or Lib Dems or........anyone but Farage.

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2nd referendum on 10:04 - May 12 with 2875 viewsSteveMcCallsTeeth

2nd referendum on 09:56 - May 12 by Rocky

What crippled democracy was the lies told by the Brexiteers.


There were lies from both sides.
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2nd referendum on 10:07 - May 12 with 2863 viewsSteveMcCallsTeeth

2nd referendum on 09:56 - May 12 by Herbivore

Those 17m can still vote in a second referendum.


They dont need to. Its already happened once. Thats democracy. Keep voting because you dont like the outcome isnt how it works. Shall we keep playing the liverpool and man city games today, until everyone gets the outcome they want?
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2nd referendum on 10:09 - May 12 with 2848 viewscatch74

2nd referendum on 10:04 - May 12 by SteveMcCallsTeeth

There were lies from both sides.


That’s fine then, if the lies even out the democracy has clearly won.

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2nd referendum on 10:12 - May 12 with 2841 viewsitfc_bucks

2nd referendum on 10:04 - May 12 by SteveMcCallsTeeth

There were lies from both sides.


Name those remain lies.

Let's see if they were quite as monumental as, say 350m per week for the NHS.
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2nd referendum on 10:16 - May 12 with 2829 viewsSteveMcCallsTeeth

2nd referendum on 10:12 - May 12 by itfc_bucks

Name those remain lies.

Let's see if they were quite as monumental as, say 350m per week for the NHS.


Knew that one would get dragged up. Hasnt stopped a hell of a lot of support for brexit though. As you will see in the EU election
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2nd referendum on 10:18 - May 12 with 2821 viewsSteveMcCallsTeeth

2nd referendum on 10:09 - May 12 by catch74

That’s fine then, if the lies even out the democracy has clearly won.


Correct
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2nd referendum on 10:18 - May 12 with 2817 viewstomo

2nd referendum on 10:07 - May 12 by SteveMcCallsTeeth

They dont need to. Its already happened once. Thats democracy. Keep voting because you dont like the outcome isnt how it works. Shall we keep playing the liverpool and man city games today, until everyone gets the outcome they want?


No point, Liverpool and City can both go for the title again next season.
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2nd referendum on 10:18 - May 12 with 2819 viewsTractorWood

Cameron's naïve approach was the issue. Public opinion on capital punishment has been generally been in favour of limited reintroduction since the mid-60's. However, whenever it gets remotely close to the legislature it gets slapped down with condescension.

Direct democracy only works if people understand the complexity of the issue. Which, in both cases the electorate does not. It should never have been a binding referendum.

I know that was then, but it could be again..
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2nd referendum on 10:19 - May 12 with 2816 viewsSwansea_Blue

2nd referendum on 10:07 - May 12 by SteveMcCallsTeeth

They dont need to. Its already happened once. Thats democracy. Keep voting because you dont like the outcome isnt how it works. Shall we keep playing the liverpool and man city games today, until everyone gets the outcome they want?


Sh*t analogy. They’ll get the chance to replay them all again next season.



I’d recommend people watch Brexit Behind Closed Doors (on BBC4 I think). It’s a fascinating insight into the farce. We know from having watched the disaster unfolding over the last 3 years that we were woefully ill prepared to take this to Europe. Seeing the reactions from the EU side as this all played out is compelling viewing. Our government are political pygmies in comparison.

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2nd referendum on 10:19 - May 12 with 2811 viewsHerbivore

2nd referendum on 10:07 - May 12 by SteveMcCallsTeeth

They dont need to. Its already happened once. Thats democracy. Keep voting because you dont like the outcome isnt how it works. Shall we keep playing the liverpool and man city games today, until everyone gets the outcome they want?


You have a really odd view of democracy.

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2nd referendum on 10:20 - May 12 with 2809 viewsSteveMcCallsTeeth

2nd referendum on 10:18 - May 12 by tomo

No point, Liverpool and City can both go for the title again next season.


Shame in a democratic vote you cant then isnt it?
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2nd referendum on 10:22 - May 12 with 2809 viewsgazzer1999

2nd referendum on 10:12 - May 12 by itfc_bucks

Name those remain lies.

Let's see if they were quite as monumental as, say 350m per week for the NHS.


You do realise that when yo add in the tariffs that the EU levy on goods coming into the UK, which we collect then hand over to the EU to spend as it sees fit. The £350 million a week was untrue, the real figure is probably 3 to 4 times that amount.
"The lie" you refer to is was only a suggestion what we could do with the £350 million, pretty much what Labour says at every general election at how they will spend on the NHS, but in reality never do so.
Funny how the very tactic Labour drags out every time is the one that gets up the noses more than any. But as I pointed out earlier the reality with regards money is vastly higher than the £350 million. And we as consumers are paying the price with over the odds higher prices.
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2nd referendum on 10:22 - May 12 with 2804 viewsSteveMcCallsTeeth

2nd referendum on 10:19 - May 12 by Swansea_Blue

Sh*t analogy. They’ll get the chance to replay them all again next season.



I’d recommend people watch Brexit Behind Closed Doors (on BBC4 I think). It’s a fascinating insight into the farce. We know from having watched the disaster unfolding over the last 3 years that we were woefully ill prepared to take this to Europe. Seeing the reactions from the EU side as this all played out is compelling viewing. Our government are political pygmies in comparison.


Shall we replay the referendum every year then too?
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2nd referendum on 10:24 - May 12 with 2791 viewsBlueBadger

2nd referendum on 10:16 - May 12 by SteveMcCallsTeeth

Knew that one would get dragged up. Hasnt stopped a hell of a lot of support for brexit though. As you will see in the EU election


So what WERE the lies told by the Remain campaign?

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2nd referendum on 10:25 - May 12 with 2787 viewskeebsdad

2nd referendum on 09:52 - May 12 by SteveMcCallsTeeth

They will never allow another referendum. You cant dismiss 17 million votes just like that. It would cripple democracy in this country forever.


Is that like winning a general election to the paramount democratic body in the UK, The House of Commons, and then saying it will cripple democracy in this country if we have another general election in five years time?
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2nd referendum on 10:26 - May 12 with 2784 viewsBlueBadger

2nd referendum on 10:07 - May 12 by SteveMcCallsTeeth

They dont need to. Its already happened once. Thats democracy. Keep voting because you dont like the outcome isnt how it works. Shall we keep playing the liverpool and man city games today, until everyone gets the outcome they want?


It's exactly how democracy works. That's why governments change every few years.
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These people are called idiots and BB is their leader.
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2nd referendum on 10:26 - May 12 with 2785 viewsgazzer1999

2nd referendum on 10:12 - May 12 by itfc_bucks

Name those remain lies.

Let's see if they were quite as monumental as, say 350m per week for the NHS.


What like the budget the next day, rising unemployment, higher interest rates, recession. Oh yes I remember them well. All those things were going to happen, 3 years later I am still waiting.
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2nd referendum on 10:26 - May 12 with 2783 viewsDarth_Koont

Surely this also depends on whether you see this being a short-term gig until we leave or that we're not going to leave?

So there are your own priorities but then seen through the prism of what you think will play out on a national level. That's where your vote has meaning.

By all means, people can vote on a one-off situation like Brexit or as a protest vote, but too many people doing that is what's got us into our current mess.
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