| More bad news for UK car manufacturing 08:14 - Jun 6 with 2668 views | Herbivore |
Ford's Bridgend plant is set to close, around 1500 job losdes: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/06/thursday-briefing-young-people-loc
Working class areas are getting hit badly by these thousands of jobs being lost in manufacturing, add in British Steel to the losses in the car industry and then associated losses that will happen as a result and it adds up to tens of thousands. Hard to see how those jobs will be replaced. Poor areas will get poorer. |  |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:20 - Jun 6 with 2663 views | homer_123 |
Always going to be somewhat inevitable.
As these types of jobs become both more and more automated, the rise and increase in AI and also the fact that companies like Ford can produce their cars more cheaply elsewhere.
Factor in that it's cheaper and less complicated to manufacture electric cars, the car industry is going to see huge changes in the next decade anyway - as it should, given the need to sort our climate situation out.
More interesting is the fact less people can now afford to move to cities to earn money.
Quoted on Radio 4 this morning. Moving from Scarborough to Leeds yielded a 24% increase in wages, after Rent. Now - it's only a 4% increase in wages after rent. As rental prices have increased dramatically.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48533109
This affects far more people that the closure of manufacturing plants (not to say that it isn't important but that situ was always going to play out). [Post edited 6 Jun 2019 8:21]
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:26 - Jun 6 with 2644 views | Herbivore |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:20 - Jun 6 by homer_123 |
Always going to be somewhat inevitable.
As these types of jobs become both more and more automated, the rise and increase in AI and also the fact that companies like Ford can produce their cars more cheaply elsewhere.
Factor in that it's cheaper and less complicated to manufacture electric cars, the car industry is going to see huge changes in the next decade anyway - as it should, given the need to sort our climate situation out.
More interesting is the fact less people can now afford to move to cities to earn money.
Quoted on Radio 4 this morning. Moving from Scarborough to Leeds yielded a 24% increase in wages, after Rent. Now - it's only a 4% increase in wages after rent. As rental prices have increased dramatically.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48533109
This affects far more people that the closure of manufacturing plants (not to say that it isn't important but that situ was always going to play out). [Post edited 6 Jun 2019 8:21]
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It affects more people, sure. However only increasing your wage by 4% by moving to a big city when rent is factored in isn't really on the same impact scale as losing your livelihood and having very limited prospects for replacing it.
The fact that manufacturing losses are inevitable doesn't really cushion the blow. What would cushion the blown is significant and genuine investment in alternative employment and skills training in those areas most dependent on manufacturing so that when losses do occur the impact isn't so drastic. More radical solutions like a citizens wage should also be seriously looked at to cushion the impact of automation, particularly on the low skilled workforce. | |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:39 - Jun 6 with 2617 views | Pinewoodblue |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:26 - Jun 6 by Herbivore |
It affects more people, sure. However only increasing your wage by 4% by moving to a big city when rent is factored in isn't really on the same impact scale as losing your livelihood and having very limited prospects for replacing it.
The fact that manufacturing losses are inevitable doesn't really cushion the blow. What would cushion the blown is significant and genuine investment in alternative employment and skills training in those areas most dependent on manufacturing so that when losses do occur the impact isn't so drastic. More radical solutions like a citizens wage should also be seriously looked at to cushion the impact of automation, particularly on the low skilled workforce. |
Bridgend will clearly be affected by the closure of the Ford plant but wouldn't describe it as a poor area nor would it be reasonable to describe the workforce at Fords as low skilled. |  |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:45 - Jun 6 with 2597 views | Herbivore |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:39 - Jun 6 by Pinewoodblue |
Bridgend will clearly be affected by the closure of the Ford plant but wouldn't describe it as a poor area nor would it be reasonable to describe the workforce at Fords as low skilled. |
Bridgend is the latest example but I'm talking generally about the losses in manufacturing. Anything to add to the debate on that, friend? What would you like to see happen to reduce the impact of thousands of job losses? [Post edited 6 Jun 2019 9:00]
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:59 - Jun 6 with 2571 views | homer_123 |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:26 - Jun 6 by Herbivore |
It affects more people, sure. However only increasing your wage by 4% by moving to a big city when rent is factored in isn't really on the same impact scale as losing your livelihood and having very limited prospects for replacing it.
The fact that manufacturing losses are inevitable doesn't really cushion the blow. What would cushion the blown is significant and genuine investment in alternative employment and skills training in those areas most dependent on manufacturing so that when losses do occur the impact isn't so drastic. More radical solutions like a citizens wage should also be seriously looked at to cushion the impact of automation, particularly on the low skilled workforce. |
You need think bigger though Herbs. 10s and even 100s of thousands of younger people are affected by this, has a huge affect on social mobility which in the longer term has a much more wide ranging and damaging effect on those individuals and the wider economy etc.
You are right, it's not the same scale, it's of a magnitude more.
I agree you last paragraph but, we, as a nation are choose not to, very much in the same way we choose not to grasp the nettle that is health and social care or policing or education. | |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:05 - Jun 6 with 2556 views | Herbivore |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:59 - Jun 6 by homer_123 |
You need think bigger though Herbs. 10s and even 100s of thousands of younger people are affected by this, has a huge affect on social mobility which in the longer term has a much more wide ranging and damaging effect on those individuals and the wider economy etc.
You are right, it's not the same scale, it's of a magnitude more.
I agree you last paragraph but, we, as a nation are choose not to, very much in the same way we choose not to grasp the nettle that is health and social care or policing or education. |
It's the nature of capitalism. Whatever anyone might seek to tell you it's a system that is and always has been predicated on millions of people producing vast wealth for a privileged few whilst living on a subsistence income. The rent issue is an example of that, the minute wages rise somewhere the costs of living rise to match it, usually so someone with wealth can skim some more off the top. Trickle down economics simply doesn't work, it's a charade that helps keep the wealthy in power.
It is of course a worry that the financial benefit of moving to a city is less than it used to be but those figures suggest there is still a benefit. I'd like to see more controls on the private rental market to address the issue though.
That said, thousands of immediate job losses, tens of thousands in fact, is a huge concern. What is going to replace these losses? How will the families and communities affected cope? There's no planning or strategy from the government as far as I can see. | |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:07 - Jun 6 with 2549 views | itfcjoe |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:26 - Jun 6 by Herbivore |
It affects more people, sure. However only increasing your wage by 4% by moving to a big city when rent is factored in isn't really on the same impact scale as losing your livelihood and having very limited prospects for replacing it.
The fact that manufacturing losses are inevitable doesn't really cushion the blow. What would cushion the blown is significant and genuine investment in alternative employment and skills training in those areas most dependent on manufacturing so that when losses do occur the impact isn't so drastic. More radical solutions like a citizens wage should also be seriously looked at to cushion the impact of automation, particularly on the low skilled workforce. |
Amazes me that the Government and local councils keeps giving land away at knock down prices so that developers can make money hand over fist and not supply the right houses for a housing crisis.
They should be training and upskilling people to build these houses for UK PLC |  |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:13 - Jun 6 with 2537 views | Herbivore |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:07 - Jun 6 by itfcjoe |
Amazes me that the Government and local councils keeps giving land away at knock down prices so that developers can make money hand over fist and not supply the right houses for a housing crisis.
They should be training and upskilling people to build these houses for UK PLC |
Agree with that. I worked for a local authority when austerity hit and they were selling off property and land below market value to private companies just to make a quick buck and address part of their budget shortfall. A longer term strategy would have ultimately yielded more of an income and benefited the community. | |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:14 - Jun 6 with 2531 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:05 - Jun 6 by Herbivore |
It's the nature of capitalism. Whatever anyone might seek to tell you it's a system that is and always has been predicated on millions of people producing vast wealth for a privileged few whilst living on a subsistence income. The rent issue is an example of that, the minute wages rise somewhere the costs of living rise to match it, usually so someone with wealth can skim some more off the top. Trickle down economics simply doesn't work, it's a charade that helps keep the wealthy in power.
It is of course a worry that the financial benefit of moving to a city is less than it used to be but those figures suggest there is still a benefit. I'd like to see more controls on the private rental market to address the issue though.
That said, thousands of immediate job losses, tens of thousands in fact, is a huge concern. What is going to replace these losses? How will the families and communities affected cope? There's no planning or strategy from the government as far as I can see. |
Not sure you are looking at workforces living in cities the right way around. Millions move away from cities and commute. They don't get much financial benefit - and never have. But in the summer and at weekends they have a bit more quality time in daylight and their kids don't get stabbed.
The engine makers from Bridgend are suffering more from middle class idiocy paying through the nose to be inconvenienced by useless electric cars and hybrids, whose engines will be made elsewhere - and the earlier middle class idiocy of buying overpriced german cars instead of trusty fords. The car industry, such as it is was never going to survive the economic idiocy of Brexit anyway, so their demise was inevitable on a double whammy. As Farage says - there will be winners and losers. |  |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:19 - Jun 6 with 2508 views | Herbivore |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:14 - Jun 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not sure you are looking at workforces living in cities the right way around. Millions move away from cities and commute. They don't get much financial benefit - and never have. But in the summer and at weekends they have a bit more quality time in daylight and their kids don't get stabbed.
The engine makers from Bridgend are suffering more from middle class idiocy paying through the nose to be inconvenienced by useless electric cars and hybrids, whose engines will be made elsewhere - and the earlier middle class idiocy of buying overpriced german cars instead of trusty fords. The car industry, such as it is was never going to survive the economic idiocy of Brexit anyway, so their demise was inevitable on a double whammy. As Farage says - there will be winners and losers. |
That first paragraph is a bit odd. City populations aren't declining.
That second paragraph is also a bit odd. Why is it idiocy to buy a car with a less damaging environmental impact? | |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:29 - Jun 6 with 2496 views | Swansea_Blue |
Agree Herb, this is going to be devastating for the region. They estimate this will have a knock on effect to about 10,000 people who are either in the supply chain or provide other services to the factory. South Wales is one of the poorer regions of the UK, there's little else down here so those jobs won't be easy to replace.
There were always plans to scale back production as the current generation engine was coming to the end of its life cycle and JLR were moving out their operation from within the Ford plant. I thought the intention was to carry on and produce the new generation petrol engines there (they beat off competition from around the globe in 2015). They'd secured significant Welsh Government funding to help with that shift too.
Edit - seems like the demand for the new engine wasn't there as expected, based on their CEO's statement this afternoon. [Post edited 6 Jun 2019 15:25]
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:51 - Jun 6 with 2455 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:19 - Jun 6 by Herbivore |
That first paragraph is a bit odd. City populations aren't declining.
That second paragraph is also a bit odd. Why is it idiocy to buy a car with a less damaging environmental impact? |
If reality is odd so be it. Cities tend to trap the poor and a mobile younger work force many of whom move away as soon as they can. Increasing the underclass obviously increases population
Mindlessly lapping up electric cars which cannot fulfill their function is idiocy of the worst kind. Most if not all middle class buffoons buy these as second 'hobby cars' for the commute and to feel good about themselves - so the entire purchase is largely unnecessary and daft. The car itself is damaging the environment as you need a second car to actually perform the function of a car, as is the electricity. In this country both nuclear power and burning wood chips from virgin US forests is considered green - and that's before we get onto the global impact of producing inefficient electric cars that nobody in their right mind will buy second hand. Efficient diesel is currently the most environment friendly transport option followed by petrol - hybrids cars come way behind - electric cars are just a hobby at present. But don't let reality impinge on your right on world. | |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:03 - Jun 6 with 2433 views | Herbivore |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:51 - Jun 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
If reality is odd so be it. Cities tend to trap the poor and a mobile younger work force many of whom move away as soon as they can. Increasing the underclass obviously increases population
Mindlessly lapping up electric cars which cannot fulfill their function is idiocy of the worst kind. Most if not all middle class buffoons buy these as second 'hobby cars' for the commute and to feel good about themselves - so the entire purchase is largely unnecessary and daft. The car itself is damaging the environment as you need a second car to actually perform the function of a car, as is the electricity. In this country both nuclear power and burning wood chips from virgin US forests is considered green - and that's before we get onto the global impact of producing inefficient electric cars that nobody in their right mind will buy second hand. Efficient diesel is currently the most environment friendly transport option followed by petrol - hybrids cars come way behind - electric cars are just a hobby at present. But don't let reality impinge on your right on world. |
Any evidence to support these claims, friend? I'd be interested to read it, particularly in respect of your ranking of environmentally friendly modes of transport. You've also used underclass and middle class in quite pejorative ways. What's that all about? I find the term underclass quite problematic personally. | |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:12 - Jun 6 with 2411 views | WD19 |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 08:26 - Jun 6 by Herbivore |
It affects more people, sure. However only increasing your wage by 4% by moving to a big city when rent is factored in isn't really on the same impact scale as losing your livelihood and having very limited prospects for replacing it.
The fact that manufacturing losses are inevitable doesn't really cushion the blow. What would cushion the blown is significant and genuine investment in alternative employment and skills training in those areas most dependent on manufacturing so that when losses do occur the impact isn't so drastic. More radical solutions like a citizens wage should also be seriously looked at to cushion the impact of automation, particularly on the low skilled workforce. |
The impact of AI is going to be much more profound on many middle ranking/professional jobs than it is on low-skilled ones.
Take lawyers for example. Much of what they do involves going over old cases, digging out precedents, drawing out themes and key points etc. All of this will be automated away. |  | | |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:12 - Jun 6 with 2410 views | No9 |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:14 - Jun 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not sure you are looking at workforces living in cities the right way around. Millions move away from cities and commute. They don't get much financial benefit - and never have. But in the summer and at weekends they have a bit more quality time in daylight and their kids don't get stabbed.
The engine makers from Bridgend are suffering more from middle class idiocy paying through the nose to be inconvenienced by useless electric cars and hybrids, whose engines will be made elsewhere - and the earlier middle class idiocy of buying overpriced german cars instead of trusty fords. The car industry, such as it is was never going to survive the economic idiocy of Brexit anyway, so their demise was inevitable on a double whammy. As Farage says - there will be winners and losers. |
Where in the countryside can you provide work for people with pay to enable them to live rather tahn exist? I live in a very rural area despite the fact there are very few services and transport is necessary, just to get to shop - farm or otherwise. I chose to do this 40 years ago. Young people don't have that choice, living in rural areas is now for the rich.
As fas as Bridgend is concerned this is an obvious example of a Non UK Company looking at its options. With the proposals of the right to leave the EU with no deal & all the difficulties that will bring Ford & others are reviewing their investments and where their oportunities are best, that isn't new the tory government in the 80's paid handsomely for overseas companies to set up in the UK, often controversialy. Look around you, it isn't just cars is it?
It is not difficult to see why the move is to new types of motive power the environment is a big factor but, Man is an inventor and will always be investigating new methods and to improve the lot of humanity. Since the end of the 70's the UK has not oved forward as many countries around us have, we have a lot of catching up to do in all induustries.
Leaving the EU is going to make things difficult and presently the right are offering no solutions and no progress just negatives about others who look for success. Leave it to the brexiteers and we shall be back to the 19th C. | | | |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:19 - Jun 6 with 2393 views | Swansea_Blue |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:51 - Jun 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
If reality is odd so be it. Cities tend to trap the poor and a mobile younger work force many of whom move away as soon as they can. Increasing the underclass obviously increases population
Mindlessly lapping up electric cars which cannot fulfill their function is idiocy of the worst kind. Most if not all middle class buffoons buy these as second 'hobby cars' for the commute and to feel good about themselves - so the entire purchase is largely unnecessary and daft. The car itself is damaging the environment as you need a second car to actually perform the function of a car, as is the electricity. In this country both nuclear power and burning wood chips from virgin US forests is considered green - and that's before we get onto the global impact of producing inefficient electric cars that nobody in their right mind will buy second hand. Efficient diesel is currently the most environment friendly transport option followed by petrol - hybrids cars come way behind - electric cars are just a hobby at present. But don't let reality impinge on your right on world. |
Or in other words early adoption of technology. There's no reason at all* why we can't move towards a position where the vast majority of private vehicles (and smaller commercial ones) are running off electricity generated from renewables. LAst year 28% of all the UK's electricity was produced from solar and wind power. One day last month 25% was produced from solar alone.
If someone is going to buy a second car for running around local, that's going to get bought anyway, far better to switch to electric imo. Improved battery performance and distances will come with time.
*except for current Tory policy which is having an adverse impact on the sector. [Post edited 6 Jun 2019 10:21]
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:24 - Jun 6 with 2385 views | Herbivore |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:12 - Jun 6 by WD19 |
The impact of AI is going to be much more profound on many middle ranking/professional jobs than it is on low-skilled ones.
Take lawyers for example. Much of what they do involves going over old cases, digging out precedents, drawing out themes and key points etc. All of this will be automated away. |
Yeah agree on AI, hadn't considered that in my original post. I think it'll take longer for the impact of that to fully hit, lawyers also have to construct compelling and convincing verbal and written arguments and we're a way off AI being able to do that for example. That said it will start to have an impact at some point and I'm not sure society is really prepared for it. They really need to start seriously looking at things like a citizens income and other more radical solutions as the market alone ain't going to take care of people. | |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:36 - Jun 6 with 2338 views | itfcjoe |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:12 - Jun 6 by No9 |
Where in the countryside can you provide work for people with pay to enable them to live rather tahn exist? I live in a very rural area despite the fact there are very few services and transport is necessary, just to get to shop - farm or otherwise. I chose to do this 40 years ago. Young people don't have that choice, living in rural areas is now for the rich.
As fas as Bridgend is concerned this is an obvious example of a Non UK Company looking at its options. With the proposals of the right to leave the EU with no deal & all the difficulties that will bring Ford & others are reviewing their investments and where their oportunities are best, that isn't new the tory government in the 80's paid handsomely for overseas companies to set up in the UK, often controversialy. Look around you, it isn't just cars is it?
It is not difficult to see why the move is to new types of motive power the environment is a big factor but, Man is an inventor and will always be investigating new methods and to improve the lot of humanity. Since the end of the 70's the UK has not oved forward as many countries around us have, we have a lot of catching up to do in all induustries.
Leaving the EU is going to make things difficult and presently the right are offering no solutions and no progress just negatives about others who look for success. Leave it to the brexiteers and we shall be back to the 19th C. |
And the uncertainty over Brexit is just accelerating the decline - industries that were happy to wait and see it out are now making decisions to move and shut down because we are embarrassing ourselves on a global stage with Brexit. | |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:49 - Jun 6 with 2303 views | No9 |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:36 - Jun 6 by itfcjoe |
And the uncertainty over Brexit is just accelerating the decline - industries that were happy to wait and see it out are now making decisions to move and shut down because we are embarrassing ourselves on a global stage with Brexit. |
You are correct & the effect is spreading.
For our politicians not to see the serious downside of being so reliant on EU companies is scary simply because it indicates they are taking us into a very serious unknown.
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:53 - Jun 6 with 2301 views | Pinewoodblue |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 09:29 - Jun 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Agree Herb, this is going to be devastating for the region. They estimate this will have a knock on effect to about 10,000 people who are either in the supply chain or provide other services to the factory. South Wales is one of the poorer regions of the UK, there's little else down here so those jobs won't be easy to replace.
There were always plans to scale back production as the current generation engine was coming to the end of its life cycle and JLR were moving out their operation from within the Ford plant. I thought the intention was to carry on and produce the new generation petrol engines there (they beat off competition from around the globe in 2015). They'd secured significant Welsh Government funding to help with that shift too.
Edit - seems like the demand for the new engine wasn't there as expected, based on their CEO's statement this afternoon. [Post edited 6 Jun 2019 15:25]
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JLR opening an engine production facility in Wolverhampton and planning to close their factory within a factory in Bridgrnd is clearly of benefit to West Midlands but may have hastened the Bridgend closure. Wasn't there rumours a few months ago of 900 job loses in Bridgend, rather than full closure?
Wonder which Ford plant will produce the new petrol engine now, suspect it will be somewhere like Romania with a degree of EU funding. | |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 11:08 - Jun 6 with 2278 views | No9 |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:53 - Jun 6 by Pinewoodblue |
JLR opening an engine production facility in Wolverhampton and planning to close their factory within a factory in Bridgrnd is clearly of benefit to West Midlands but may have hastened the Bridgend closure. Wasn't there rumours a few months ago of 900 job loses in Bridgend, rather than full closure?
Wonder which Ford plant will produce the new petrol engine now, suspect it will be somewhere like Romania with a degree of EU funding. |
"Wonder which Ford plant will produce the new petrol engine now, suspect it will be somewhere like Romania with a degree of EU funding."
Maybe this is a part of Trumps demand that US car makers do so in the USA? | | | |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 11:21 - Jun 6 with 2265 views | Swansea_Blue |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 10:53 - Jun 6 by Pinewoodblue |
JLR opening an engine production facility in Wolverhampton and planning to close their factory within a factory in Bridgrnd is clearly of benefit to West Midlands but may have hastened the Bridgend closure. Wasn't there rumours a few months ago of 900 job loses in Bridgend, rather than full closure?
Wonder which Ford plant will produce the new petrol engine now, suspect it will be somewhere like Romania with a degree of EU funding. |
Yep, the intention was to scale back. Ford have recently announced job losses in Germany too, around a restructuring plan. The UK was part of that from what I’ve read. This change to a full closure is new and a bit of a shock, and will bite deep.
Wales has never really recovered from Thatcher’s legacy, strange as it seems to say that after all these years. Poverty’s on the rise (25% I think), I think life expectancy is below the UK average and is now falling. This won’t help. | |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 14:57 - Jun 6 with 2155 views | Whymarkmariner |
In many ways those that work for the car industry in this Country have been their own worst enemies. Go back to the days of the powerful unions and a car producer couldn't move a switch or a dial a couple of inches without the union wanting to re-negotiate the whole package of producing that car. There was a time when British Leyland had an agreement with the union that for, I believe, a period of three years when the security wasn't allowed to search anybodies car. Forward to today we have Brexit and we need wages to pay for food, clothing and in many cases rent and now to a lesser extent a mortgage. This all needs an average income of about £26,000. Or if you live in London probably double or treble that. When we are competing against Countries that pay much less than that and produce more then you end up with jobs going abroad or in the case of diesel producing plants, due to Governments one minute saying diesel is more enviiromentally friendly and then next thing saying it's not you end up with diesel being deserted and those plants closing. Sad for those at Bridgend but as a Country we are on a slippery slope. If anyone watched Panorama last night the care systems in crisis and if people are having to sell their homes to supplement their care what happens when, because of people not being able to get on the housing ladder there will be no homes to use for propping up the system the whole thing will collapse. Bet no one in Government takes that into consideration, just the same as no one took in to consideration the fact that we have so many elderly from the baby Boomer years. | | | |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 18:06 - Jun 6 with 2091 views | TractorWood |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 14:57 - Jun 6 by Whymarkmariner |
In many ways those that work for the car industry in this Country have been their own worst enemies. Go back to the days of the powerful unions and a car producer couldn't move a switch or a dial a couple of inches without the union wanting to re-negotiate the whole package of producing that car. There was a time when British Leyland had an agreement with the union that for, I believe, a period of three years when the security wasn't allowed to search anybodies car. Forward to today we have Brexit and we need wages to pay for food, clothing and in many cases rent and now to a lesser extent a mortgage. This all needs an average income of about £26,000. Or if you live in London probably double or treble that. When we are competing against Countries that pay much less than that and produce more then you end up with jobs going abroad or in the case of diesel producing plants, due to Governments one minute saying diesel is more enviiromentally friendly and then next thing saying it's not you end up with diesel being deserted and those plants closing. Sad for those at Bridgend but as a Country we are on a slippery slope. If anyone watched Panorama last night the care systems in crisis and if people are having to sell their homes to supplement their care what happens when, because of people not being able to get on the housing ladder there will be no homes to use for propping up the system the whole thing will collapse. Bet no one in Government takes that into consideration, just the same as no one took in to consideration the fact that we have so many elderly from the baby Boomer years. |
I'd hate to be in Government or opposition. Everything seems to always be in constant crisis.
I think your point on the housing market is spot on. There is a huge abundance of high value properties with very few people in them. In theory these houses are worth huge sums but I reckon they must be pretty neglected and the middle aged families can't afford to move into them, old people don't want to get the necessary care until the latest possible time due to the poor system and ridiculous rates. Then subsequently first time buyers have nowhere to acquire so are left to rent dross for vastly inflated rents.
I think the housing market would be due a massive correction if it wasn't for the sheer lack of new housing stock getting drip fed onto the market at again, huge cost compared to average salaries. |  |
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| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 18:21 - Jun 6 with 2085 views | Herbivore |
| More bad news for UK car manufacturing on 18:06 - Jun 6 by TractorWood |
I'd hate to be in Government or opposition. Everything seems to always be in constant crisis.
I think your point on the housing market is spot on. There is a huge abundance of high value properties with very few people in them. In theory these houses are worth huge sums but I reckon they must be pretty neglected and the middle aged families can't afford to move into them, old people don't want to get the necessary care until the latest possible time due to the poor system and ridiculous rates. Then subsequently first time buyers have nowhere to acquire so are left to rent dross for vastly inflated rents.
I think the housing market would be due a massive correction if it wasn't for the sheer lack of new housing stock getting drip fed onto the market at again, huge cost compared to average salaries. |
You kind of have to ask why it's always in such crisis though. We're one of the wealthiest nations in the world, the number of high, indeed VERY high, net worth individuals in the UK is quite staggering. And yet society is not working for millions of people. How can that be right? | |
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