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How long will it be... 08:13 - Jun 14 with 2702 viewschicoazul

....before shops and online retailers aren't allowed to use terms like "Men's" to indicate which clothes are intended for men, but have to use something else instead?
I say within 3 years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48628678

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How long will it be... on 08:14 - Jun 14 with 1515 viewsDanTheMan

I think you might be overreacting.

However, unisex clothes are becoming more popular.

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How long will it be... on 08:17 - Jun 14 with 1496 viewschicoazul

How long will it be... on 08:14 - Jun 14 by DanTheMan

I think you might be overreacting.

However, unisex clothes are becoming more popular.


Please, describe my reaction to me. I don't think I have offered an opinion?

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.

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How long will it be... on 08:18 - Jun 14 with 1484 viewsDanTheMan

How long will it be... on 08:17 - Jun 14 by chicoazul

Please, describe my reaction to me. I don't think I have offered an opinion?


You literally said in your opinion within 3 years mens clothing won't be labelled as mens...

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How long will it be... on 08:20 - Jun 14 with 1470 viewshampstead_blue

we are swiftly moving toward a world were simply identifying something will get you into deep trouble.

Fear of offence could paralize normal society.

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How long will it be... on 08:22 - Jun 14 with 1466 viewschicoazul

How long will it be... on 08:18 - Jun 14 by DanTheMan

You literally said in your opinion within 3 years mens clothing won't be labelled as mens...


But I havent offered an opinion, so how can I be said to be "overreacting"? If I was offering an opinion I might have said something like for e.g.I think this will lead inevitably to mixed changing rooms meaning my 73 yo mum will be getting changed in the same set of rooms as a 30 yo man and that is wrong.

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.

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How long will it be... on 08:22 - Jun 14 with 1446 viewsBackToRussia

How long will it be... on 08:18 - Jun 14 by DanTheMan

You literally said in your opinion within 3 years mens clothing won't be labelled as mens...


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How long will it be... on 08:25 - Jun 14 with 1447 viewsDanTheMan

How long will it be... on 08:22 - Jun 14 by chicoazul

But I havent offered an opinion, so how can I be said to be "overreacting"? If I was offering an opinion I might have said something like for e.g.I think this will lead inevitably to mixed changing rooms meaning my 73 yo mum will be getting changed in the same set of rooms as a 30 yo man and that is wrong.


Your opinion is that in 3 years time Mens clothing won't be labelled as Mens, as a reaction to a piece about Gender stereotypes in adverts.

It's right there.

Am I going mad?

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How long will it be... on 08:26 - Jun 14 with 1442 viewschicoazul

How long will it be... on 08:20 - Jun 14 by hampstead_blue

we are swiftly moving toward a world were simply identifying something will get you into deep trouble.

Fear of offence could paralize normal society.


The link I gave talks about "harmful" gender stereotypes. This implies people know what is harmful and what isnt, and further implies that therefore this harmfulness is a moving target that will develop with time.
I believe it won't be long before retailers arent allowed to use terms like men and women, toilets wont be labelled mens or womens, etc. For the hard of reading allow me to be clear; I don't yet know how I would feel about that.

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.

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How long will it be... on 08:27 - Jun 14 with 1440 viewsartsbossbeard

How long will it be... on 08:25 - Jun 14 by DanTheMan

Your opinion is that in 3 years time Mens clothing won't be labelled as Mens, as a reaction to a piece about Gender stereotypes in adverts.

It's right there.

Am I going mad?


You're most certainly the sane one here.

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How long will it be... on 08:28 - Jun 14 with 1432 viewsBlueBadger

Just before Brexit becomes a good idea.

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How long will it be... on 08:28 - Jun 14 with 1436 viewsdickie

I fail to see anything negative in this report. Clothing is usually specifically designed for differing body shapes based on gender, age, size etc so I'd very much doubt what you say will come to fruition. However, being a father of both a girl and a boy I would broadly welcome a ban on gender specific children's clothing as the majority seem to reinforce gender based stereotypes - "Cheeky monkey" for boys, "little princess" for girls etc
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How long will it be... on 08:28 - Jun 14 with 1434 viewssparks

How long will it be... on 08:22 - Jun 14 by chicoazul

But I havent offered an opinion, so how can I be said to be "overreacting"? If I was offering an opinion I might have said something like for e.g.I think this will lead inevitably to mixed changing rooms meaning my 73 yo mum will be getting changed in the same set of rooms as a 30 yo man and that is wrong.


1. You did offer an opinion as your question presupposes it will happen and asks how long it will be.

2. It does not inevitably mean mixed changing rooms

3. Why are mixed changing rooms wrong? I instinctively agree but is interesting to analyse the reasons for it...


I agree with the rule by the way. I also would object strongly to a rule that went so far as to deny difference.

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How long will it be... on 08:29 - Jun 14 with 1417 viewsBlueBadger

How long will it be... on 08:20 - Jun 14 by hampstead_blue

we are swiftly moving toward a world were simply identifying something will get you into deep trouble.

Fear of offence could paralize normal society.


Well, you can already be arrested and thrown in jail for saying you're English...

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How long will it be... on 08:30 - Jun 14 with 1408 viewschicoazul

How long will it be... on 08:25 - Jun 14 by DanTheMan

Your opinion is that in 3 years time Mens clothing won't be labelled as Mens, as a reaction to a piece about Gender stereotypes in adverts.

It's right there.

Am I going mad?


That's an opinion on what I think will happen, but I havent offered t a view on how I feel about it. So for me, you saying I am "overreacting" is, to me, a way to a) shut down debate and b) dismiss my opinion.

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.

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How long will it be... on 08:30 - Jun 14 with 1400 viewsnsblu1

How long will it be... on 08:25 - Jun 14 by DanTheMan

Your opinion is that in 3 years time Mens clothing won't be labelled as Mens, as a reaction to a piece about Gender stereotypes in adverts.

It's right there.

Am I going mad?


You didn’t just ASSUME his opinion did you. Don’t you know you can’t do that nowadays, one must not assume anything about another as if may cause offence.
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How long will it be... on 08:31 - Jun 14 with 1390 viewschicoazul

How long will it be... on 08:28 - Jun 14 by dickie

I fail to see anything negative in this report. Clothing is usually specifically designed for differing body shapes based on gender, age, size etc so I'd very much doubt what you say will come to fruition. However, being a father of both a girl and a boy I would broadly welcome a ban on gender specific children's clothing as the majority seem to reinforce gender based stereotypes - "Cheeky monkey" for boys, "little princess" for girls etc


Do you think gender based stereotypes are a bad thing? If so, why?

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.

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How long will it be... on 08:32 - Jun 14 with 1374 viewshampstead_blue

How long will it be... on 08:29 - Jun 14 by BlueBadger

Well, you can already be arrested and thrown in jail for saying you're English...


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How long will it be... on 08:34 - Jun 14 with 1371 viewsDanTheMan

How long will it be... on 08:30 - Jun 14 by chicoazul

That's an opinion on what I think will happen, but I havent offered t a view on how I feel about it. So for me, you saying I am "overreacting" is, to me, a way to a) shut down debate and b) dismiss my opinion.


It's neither.

You asked a question about how long it will be until you're no longer able to labels clothes as for Men.

You then said 3 years, which is an incredibly small amount of time.

Alongside this, you posted a piece about gender stereotypes in adverts.

I said I think you're overreacting if you think, given the opinion piece you've posted, you think in 3 years you won't be able to label clothes as for Men.

I can't believe I'm having to type this.

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How long will it be... on 08:35 - Jun 14 with 1366 viewschicoazul

How long will it be... on 08:28 - Jun 14 by sparks

1. You did offer an opinion as your question presupposes it will happen and asks how long it will be.

2. It does not inevitably mean mixed changing rooms

3. Why are mixed changing rooms wrong? I instinctively agree but is interesting to analyse the reasons for it...


I agree with the rule by the way. I also would object strongly to a rule that went so far as to deny difference.


It's an opinion on what will happen, I offered nothing on how I felt about it. To get told I am overreacting is I think quite telling. I am neither seething with bile about nor completely relaxed about my hypothetical scenario. I just thought it was an interesting talking point.

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.

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How long will it be... on 08:37 - Jun 14 with 1343 viewschicoazul

How long will it be... on 08:34 - Jun 14 by DanTheMan

It's neither.

You asked a question about how long it will be until you're no longer able to labels clothes as for Men.

You then said 3 years, which is an incredibly small amount of time.

Alongside this, you posted a piece about gender stereotypes in adverts.

I said I think you're overreacting if you think, given the opinion piece you've posted, you think in 3 years you won't be able to label clothes as for Men.

I can't believe I'm having to type this.


In that case why are you bothering, as you and others have already decided I am stupid/mad and i'm overreacting? You could tell me why you think i'm wrong, of course.

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.

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How long will it be... on 08:39 - Jun 14 with 1335 viewsBlueBadger

How long will it be... on 08:34 - Jun 14 by DanTheMan

It's neither.

You asked a question about how long it will be until you're no longer able to labels clothes as for Men.

You then said 3 years, which is an incredibly small amount of time.

Alongside this, you posted a piece about gender stereotypes in adverts.

I said I think you're overreacting if you think, given the opinion piece you've posted, you think in 3 years you won't be able to label clothes as for Men.

I can't believe I'm having to type this.


I've come to the conclusion that Chico finds and expresses his opinions like dogs chase cats. He flushes them out, then chases up them up a tree and stands there barking at them to the bemusement of others.
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How long will it be... on 08:41 - Jun 14 with 1317 viewsdickie

How long will it be... on 08:31 - Jun 14 by chicoazul

Do you think gender based stereotypes are a bad thing? If so, why?


First and foremost yes. And there have been many studies that have shown that gender based stereotypes can contribute to male suicide rates as well as body related issues in females. Also, unless you believe gender equality is a bad thing how can anyone think that gender based stereotypes can be positive at all seeing as they can only undermine the equality of male and female roles in society?
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How long will it be... on 08:50 - Jun 14 with 1273 viewschicoazul

How long will it be... on 08:41 - Jun 14 by dickie

First and foremost yes. And there have been many studies that have shown that gender based stereotypes can contribute to male suicide rates as well as body related issues in females. Also, unless you believe gender equality is a bad thing how can anyone think that gender based stereotypes can be positive at all seeing as they can only undermine the equality of male and female roles in society?


Interesting thanks. I dont think there is a good argument against what you say, other than to (as I have) imagine where this drive for equality eventually leads.

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.

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How long will it be... on 08:54 - Jun 14 with 1239 viewsBrixtonBlue

How long will it be... on 08:30 - Jun 14 by chicoazul

That's an opinion on what I think will happen, but I havent offered t a view on how I feel about it. So for me, you saying I am "overreacting" is, to me, a way to a) shut down debate and b) dismiss my opinion.


So you did offer an opinion then..

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How long will it be... on 08:56 - Jun 14 with 1231 viewsDanTheMan

How long will it be... on 08:37 - Jun 14 by chicoazul

In that case why are you bothering, as you and others have already decided I am stupid/mad and i'm overreacting? You could tell me why you think i'm wrong, of course.


Just because I think you are overreacting (which is my opinion) does not mean that you're stupid or mad, just that I thought it was an overreaction.

I think you're wrong because clothing and gender stereotypes in advertisement have relatively little to do with each other.

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