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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM 08:28 - Jun 15 with 3928 viewsHerbivore

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/15/boris-johnson-failed-to-prot

When in office he had the power to do something and just couldn't be arsed (this is far from the only suggestion that he didn't really do much as Foreign Secretary either). As soon as he's out of the job he's writing a column calling for exactly the thing he could have done himself whilst in office. He's a publicist and a blagger, that's all he is. He's fit to agitate from the sidelines but is utterly unfit for any kind of responsibility.

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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:19 - Jun 15 with 1405 viewsSpruceMoose

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:13 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue

Your getting confused between the different types of taxes, but still the answer is the same business drive a country. Unfortunately some people actually think a socialised nationalised can create businesses, so so wrong. The reason the US is so successful is they understand that, entrepreneurs create new businesses. No socialist government has ever created a new business all they do is nationalise them.

History has taught us left socialised governments equals increased unemployment, it shouldn't be like that if they work with businesses. I hate Blair with a passion but at least he understood that, with JC all businesses are seen as the "bad guys'. I've not got many years left on this planet but I'll try and hold on and if JC gets into power I can then post told you so as unemployment increases.


AI and automation will throw a spanner into all that. Mass unemployment is just round the corner and it'll be caused by your beloved businesses. That's why folk like Andrew Yang are discussing universal income ideas.

Take a look at the top five job areas in the US. All ripe for automation. Seeing as businesses only care about profit and don't care about the citizens of a country, or even care about the country itself, let's see how happy and successful the 3.5 million truck drivers in the US are when their jobs are automated away.

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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:21 - Jun 15 with 1397 viewsSwansea_Blue

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:13 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue

Your getting confused between the different types of taxes, but still the answer is the same business drive a country. Unfortunately some people actually think a socialised nationalised can create businesses, so so wrong. The reason the US is so successful is they understand that, entrepreneurs create new businesses. No socialist government has ever created a new business all they do is nationalise them.

History has taught us left socialised governments equals increased unemployment, it shouldn't be like that if they work with businesses. I hate Blair with a passion but at least he understood that, with JC all businesses are seen as the "bad guys'. I've not got many years left on this planet but I'll try and hold on and if JC gets into power I can then post told you so as unemployment increases.


That’s far too simplistic. Businesses funnelling wealth out of the country has little value to any of us. The Americans also understand this as their are many, many social enterprises and cooperatives over there, where businesses works for the many not the few.

I’ve no idea what Corbyn would do, but the current system is clearly broken (and we state subsidise already, e.g. failed rail operators, car industry, etc). We could snd should be doing so much better.

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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:34 - Jun 15 with 1372 viewseireblue

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:13 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue

Your getting confused between the different types of taxes, but still the answer is the same business drive a country. Unfortunately some people actually think a socialised nationalised can create businesses, so so wrong. The reason the US is so successful is they understand that, entrepreneurs create new businesses. No socialist government has ever created a new business all they do is nationalise them.

History has taught us left socialised governments equals increased unemployment, it shouldn't be like that if they work with businesses. I hate Blair with a passion but at least he understood that, with JC all businesses are seen as the "bad guys'. I've not got many years left on this planet but I'll try and hold on and if JC gets into power I can then post told you so as unemployment increases.


I would argue that the reason the US is so successful, is that venture capitalists have a different risk profile to UK venture capitalists, although this is starting to change.

For instance they are willing to back 10 entrepreneurial businesses hoping that one will be successful.

Business tax rates for small start up companies, are fairly meaningless. Again from my experience of US companies, the drive for the first 5-7ish years is not to make a profit, so there is nothing to tax.

Large successful companies, like Amazon are the ones that benefit from low taxes, and having the ability to avoid tax.

I was once acquired by a very large software company that did everything in its power to avoid tax. But decided to pay 1 Billion out to shareholders.

Nothing wrong with trying to get business that make large profits, pay back to help support the country where they make those profits.

You could even say it is a patriotic endeavour to get them to do so.
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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:43 - Jun 15 with 1364 viewsBloomBlue

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:21 - Jun 15 by Swansea_Blue

That’s far too simplistic. Businesses funnelling wealth out of the country has little value to any of us. The Americans also understand this as their are many, many social enterprises and cooperatives over there, where businesses works for the many not the few.

I’ve no idea what Corbyn would do, but the current system is clearly broken (and we state subsidise already, e.g. failed rail operators, car industry, etc). We could snd should be doing so much better.


The world is changing businesses can move anywhere, young people use Google, Netflix, Amazon etc they dont care if those companies pay corporation tax or not if they did they wouldn't use them.
We all need the big companies they reduce costs to the consumer Amazon is a perfect example.

But would you want a company who just sell here or a company who sell and employ people here, I prefer the latter.

All you do in today's world if you attack business is move the business out of the UK while still selling some goods here while costs increase for the consumer.

JC/Labour are already talking about nationalising water companies and not paying the market rate for shares only Venezuela has done that recently and look how successful that was.
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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 14:03 - Jun 15 with 1339 viewseireblue

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:43 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue

The world is changing businesses can move anywhere, young people use Google, Netflix, Amazon etc they dont care if those companies pay corporation tax or not if they did they wouldn't use them.
We all need the big companies they reduce costs to the consumer Amazon is a perfect example.

But would you want a company who just sell here or a company who sell and employ people here, I prefer the latter.

All you do in today's world if you attack business is move the business out of the UK while still selling some goods here while costs increase for the consumer.

JC/Labour are already talking about nationalising water companies and not paying the market rate for shares only Venezuela has done that recently and look how successful that was.


Businesses can’t necessarily move anywhere.

Amazon makes most of its profit from AWS.

The data centres need to be in particular countries and have a degree of political and economical stability, and reliable supporting infrastructure.

Taxes help pay for that.

Accepting and not doing anything about big business being able to influence a countries taxation is fundamentally un-democratic.

Of course a good solution for this is for very large markets to get together to cooperate, so that the large market > business.

Hmmm how could one do something like that I wonder?
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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 14:03 - Jun 15 with 1340 viewsKropotkin123

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:13 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue

Your getting confused between the different types of taxes, but still the answer is the same business drive a country. Unfortunately some people actually think a socialised nationalised can create businesses, so so wrong. The reason the US is so successful is they understand that, entrepreneurs create new businesses. No socialist government has ever created a new business all they do is nationalise them.

History has taught us left socialised governments equals increased unemployment, it shouldn't be like that if they work with businesses. I hate Blair with a passion but at least he understood that, with JC all businesses are seen as the "bad guys'. I've not got many years left on this planet but I'll try and hold on and if JC gets into power I can then post told you so as unemployment increases.


Successful... the US can't even provide healthcare for all citizens. What's the point of even having more money. Their country is an embarrassment.

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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 14:15 - Jun 15 with 1323 viewsBloomBlue

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 14:03 - Jun 15 by eireblue

Businesses can’t necessarily move anywhere.

Amazon makes most of its profit from AWS.

The data centres need to be in particular countries and have a degree of political and economical stability, and reliable supporting infrastructure.

Taxes help pay for that.

Accepting and not doing anything about big business being able to influence a countries taxation is fundamentally un-democratic.

Of course a good solution for this is for very large markets to get together to cooperate, so that the large market > business.

Hmmm how could one do something like that I wonder?


Amazon makes some via AWS but Azure is eating into its market, but the fact is Amazon has reduced costs to the UK Consumer and it's better to work with business not against it.
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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 14:33 - Jun 15 with 1311 viewsSwansea_Blue

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:43 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue

The world is changing businesses can move anywhere, young people use Google, Netflix, Amazon etc they dont care if those companies pay corporation tax or not if they did they wouldn't use them.
We all need the big companies they reduce costs to the consumer Amazon is a perfect example.

But would you want a company who just sell here or a company who sell and employ people here, I prefer the latter.

All you do in today's world if you attack business is move the business out of the UK while still selling some goods here while costs increase for the consumer.

JC/Labour are already talking about nationalising water companies and not paying the market rate for shares only Venezuela has done that recently and look how successful that was.


I agree, people don't care in the main because people have been conditioned to not care. Either they only care about cost or they've so little money they have no choice but to go with the cheapest.

I've lived and worked in other countries where things cost more, wages are higher and standard of living is better. It's certainly doable but we race to the bottom all the time.

As for water companies (and privatisation in general). It not really a big issue. It works on the continent. It already works here - N. Ireland Water is government owned and does well enough in consumer and regulator surveys. We don't have to have these open market models and foreign ownership. Dŵr Cymru is UK owned, not for profit, for example. That's another perfectly good funding model where the consumer rather than shareholer benefits.

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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 15:03 - Jun 15 with 1292 viewsRyorry

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 14:15 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue

Amazon makes some via AWS but Azure is eating into its market, but the fact is Amazon has reduced costs to the UK Consumer and it's better to work with business not against it.


Speaking as a mere mortal consumer who has often shopped at A ... ( ) - yes, they're often the lowest price for goods, but their delivery systems & customer service are rubbish, so I now prefer to pay a little more & shop at companies where those things are better. Just a small-scale individual endorsement of the points Swansea & others have made on the thread.

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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 15:05 - Jun 15 with 1289 viewscbower

Couldn't agree more. A liar, shallow, bandwagon populist with nothing of any substance to say, just glib remarks through manufactured mumbling and bumbling which seemingly endears him to some. It is a sad indictment of our times that a man who is so obviously devious, machiavellian and self obsessed is on the brink of the highest office is the land. Mind you, they do say when America sneezes, Britain gets a cold. Looks like this one is a nasty flu with a dose of diarrhoea.

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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 16:09 - Jun 15 with 1253 viewsjaykay

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 10:08 - Jun 15 by pickles110564

Just imagine how bad it would be with Corbyn in power, God help us.


yep imagine having a liar in charge.

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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 16:15 - Jun 15 with 1246 viewsbluejacko

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 09:43 - Jun 15 by PositivelyPortman

Rubbish. It’s the young voters that love Corbyn- he is offering something new.
It’s the over 60’s older Labour voters that don’t like him. They buy The Sun or Mail and believe them to be left wing papers.


The young voters love to hear how they will get everything like their education free.
Is usually the old ones looking back to the good old days but it would seem it is the young ones who want to go back to nationalising everything! Bit like the 60s/70s when communism seemed a good thing and we have seen how that turned out.
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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 16:24 - Jun 15 with 1232 viewsPinewoodblue

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 16:15 - Jun 15 by bluejacko

The young voters love to hear how they will get everything like their education free.
Is usually the old ones looking back to the good old days but it would seem it is the young ones who want to go back to nationalising everything! Bit like the 60s/70s when communism seemed a good thing and we have seen how that turned out.


Can you provide a link to your rewritten history

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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 16:38 - Jun 15 with 1221 viewsNo9

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 13:43 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue

The world is changing businesses can move anywhere, young people use Google, Netflix, Amazon etc they dont care if those companies pay corporation tax or not if they did they wouldn't use them.
We all need the big companies they reduce costs to the consumer Amazon is a perfect example.

But would you want a company who just sell here or a company who sell and employ people here, I prefer the latter.

All you do in today's world if you attack business is move the business out of the UK while still selling some goods here while costs increase for the consumer.

JC/Labour are already talking about nationalising water companies and not paying the market rate for shares only Venezuela has done that recently and look how successful that was.


Do you beleive it is right for the tories to hand out £ Millions to Amazon (& others) interms of facilities and infrastructure from the public purse then take hit their competitors with taxes ?

Maybe if the foreign owners of water companies paid for the upkeep of their businesses (istead of the taxpayer) the need to re-nationalise them would be less of a demand?
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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 18:20 - Jun 15 with 1189 viewsbluejacko

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 16:24 - Jun 15 by Pinewoodblue

Can you provide a link to your rewritten history


Obviously it is a general observation but I do remember clearly going down to Cambridge market place on many a Saturday and seeing young Marxists protesting about anything and everything!
The free education bit was from the election before last I believe when Labour promised to get rid of uni fees despite being told by Tories and Libdems it was unaffordable and after the election having to admit they would not have able to afford it anyway. If that was not promising the world to try and get votes what is?
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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 18:39 - Jun 15 with 1178 viewsBloomBlue

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 16:38 - Jun 15 by No9

Do you beleive it is right for the tories to hand out £ Millions to Amazon (& others) interms of facilities and infrastructure from the public purse then take hit their competitors with taxes ?

Maybe if the foreign owners of water companies paid for the upkeep of their businesses (istead of the taxpayer) the need to re-nationalise them would be less of a demand?


Your completely missing the point on the water companies Labour is talking about not giving shareholders the true value of their shares, why would any company come to the UK if they know the government is going to forcibly take over their ownership for less than they are worth. The only country who has done that recently is Venezuela, although JC has held them up as the perfect socialist model.
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A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 23:11 - Jun 15 with 1135 viewseireblue

A microcosm of why Boris shouldn't be PM on 14:15 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue

Amazon makes some via AWS but Azure is eating into its market, but the fact is Amazon has reduced costs to the UK Consumer and it's better to work with business not against it.


Fundamentally undemocratic.

It is best business works with government.

If business has leverage over government, then what is the point of a democratic government.
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