| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison 16:59 - Jun 20 with 3631 views | Coastalblue |
Looks like three out of the door and whilst we've had some good times with Bart after last season I can't say I'm that fussed about any of them moving on.
Truth be told I don't think there's anybody in the squad where it would upset me if they went, probably be sad to see Chambers go but not for footballing reasons, Judge would be annoying at this point, Dozzell would make me think of what might have been but honestly, not sure I'd miss anybody.
Actually that's not true, Bishop is probably the one that would upset me, if he looks like he could stay fit (a big if) then he does genuinely look an exciting player for us and a step up. Lankester too actually.
So I lied, there's two I would be bothered about, the rest? humph |  |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:02 - Jun 20 with 3601 views | chicoazul |
I just hope we can start motoring on getting players in now, considering we need defenders wide players and another forward or two and pre-season starts Monday, |  |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:05 - Jun 20 with 3586 views | ParisBlue |
Along with Dozzell and Lankester I'd be annoyed if Downes were to depart. A bit of growing up (physically and maturity wise) and he could be decent. |  |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:06 - Jun 20 with 3574 views | Swansea_Blue |
We’ll make a loss on Harrison whilst they’ll be buying him using part of the £millions they’re getting from a player we sold to them for peanuts.
That says it all about our transfer ‘strategy’. |  |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:07 - Jun 20 with 3569 views | chicoazul |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:05 - Jun 20 by ParisBlue |
Along with Dozzell and Lankester I'd be annoyed if Downes were to depart. A bit of growing up (physically and maturity wise) and he could be decent. |
Downes is a cracking player and will be our next multi-£m sale, I hope his name is first on the sheet next season. | |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:15 - Jun 20 with 3528 views | ActionMan |
Jackson and Roberts should be carted out next. Harrison, you couldn't fault his work rate but he was not particularly a good player for us at that level so no shock there.
My issue with Bart going to fund other transfers is Bart is more than good enough for this level and thus an advantage in a promotional race. The keepers we have signed, one was from a mid-table team at this level and the other is a youth team player, on paper we're hardly improving our chances in that area as it stands, whether Norwood will be better at this level than Harrison will also be interesting to see.
My view is we're making some of the same mistakes again, it costs money to get promoted,you don't need to blow the bank or do a Bolton but you do need to do more than what we're doing in my opinion. We've now seen three managers forced to sell the better players to replace and if you look at our last three seasons in the Championship, 2016-17 we were 4 points off relegation, in 2017-18 there was a marginal improvement but from the end of 2017 I think we won what three or four games? Then in 2018-19 we were relegated.
It's clear that the leadership has got this wrong to me, Sunderland will throw the kitchen sink at the league this season, Rotherham will be no push over either at this level and we've got the likes of Peterborough spending, Coventry and Blackpool recovering, Doncaster is a strong side - if we take this league lightly then we won't be promoted and that will cost even more money than simply investing now and that in part means retaining your best players. |  | | |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:28 - Jun 20 with 3474 views | Dubtractor |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:06 - Jun 20 by Swansea_Blue |
We’ll make a loss on Harrison whilst they’ll be buying him using part of the £millions they’re getting from a player we sold to them for peanuts.
That says it all about our transfer ‘strategy’. |
Lament. |  |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:32 - Jun 20 with 3458 views | Coastalblue |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:28 - Jun 20 by Dubtractor |
Lament. |
One Small Day | |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:35 - Jun 20 with 3424 views | portmanking |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:15 - Jun 20 by ActionMan |
Jackson and Roberts should be carted out next. Harrison, you couldn't fault his work rate but he was not particularly a good player for us at that level so no shock there.
My issue with Bart going to fund other transfers is Bart is more than good enough for this level and thus an advantage in a promotional race. The keepers we have signed, one was from a mid-table team at this level and the other is a youth team player, on paper we're hardly improving our chances in that area as it stands, whether Norwood will be better at this level than Harrison will also be interesting to see.
My view is we're making some of the same mistakes again, it costs money to get promoted,you don't need to blow the bank or do a Bolton but you do need to do more than what we're doing in my opinion. We've now seen three managers forced to sell the better players to replace and if you look at our last three seasons in the Championship, 2016-17 we were 4 points off relegation, in 2017-18 there was a marginal improvement but from the end of 2017 I think we won what three or four games? Then in 2018-19 we were relegated.
It's clear that the leadership has got this wrong to me, Sunderland will throw the kitchen sink at the league this season, Rotherham will be no push over either at this level and we've got the likes of Peterborough spending, Coventry and Blackpool recovering, Doncaster is a strong side - if we take this league lightly then we won't be promoted and that will cost even more money than simply investing now and that in part means retaining your best players. |
I think you're missing the point. Bart is going so that we can afford to repel offers for other players that will make just as much of a difference on the pitch, if not more so. E.g. Bishop, Lankester, Judge, et. al.
Harrison's wage will merely be transferred to Conor Washington, which is a wise move IMO. |  | | |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 18:35 - Jun 20 with 3311 views | catch74 |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:06 - Jun 20 by Swansea_Blue |
We’ll make a loss on Harrison whilst they’ll be buying him using part of the £millions they’re getting from a player we sold to them for peanuts.
That says it all about our transfer ‘strategy’. |
Wonder how it will all balance out Pompey v ITFC. With the sell ons for Clarke and Webster, the money we got for Webster v money we paid for Webster etc etc. |  |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 19:25 - Jun 20 with 3199 views | Whymarkmariner |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:35 - Jun 20 by portmanking |
I think you're missing the point. Bart is going so that we can afford to repel offers for other players that will make just as much of a difference on the pitch, if not more so. E.g. Bishop, Lankester, Judge, et. al.
Harrison's wage will merely be transferred to Conor Washington, which is a wise move IMO. |
I get this regarding repelling bids for players by selling Bart, there's also his wages and the fact that he's not going to get any better and if we get say 1.5 million it's not bad. What i can't get my head around is where are all these targets that we heard of ? I know we are a few million in takings down through TV. But ST wise although cheaper they have sold over two thousand more than last season and we are also lead to believe, via MM that players wages will be 50 or 60% less than in the Championship and also there are several sell on clauses going on at the moment. If we are to compete in Division One as according to the bookies second favourites for promotion we need some good additions pronto. | | | |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:14 - Jun 21 with 2891 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:28 - Jun 20 by Dubtractor |
Lament. |
Who does he play for, and more importantly can he hit a barn door with a banjo?  | |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:15 - Jun 21 with 2881 views | BiGDonnie |
I'd be fuming if we sold any of Dozzer, Bishop, Downes, Nydam or Lankester before a season in League 1. |  |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:20 - Jun 21 with 2854 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 18:35 - Jun 20 by catch74 |
Wonder how it will all balance out Pompey v ITFC. With the sell ons for Clarke and Webster, the money we got for Webster v money we paid for Webster etc etc. |
I got stuck at 5. Ullaa will be able to go a bit further.
Clarke's sell on is about a million isn't it? Not to be sneezed at. Although I wonder where we'd be now if we had a manager who could have brought these players through while they were with us. Not form a money perspective, but simply that there's every chance some of these would have been better options than the rubbish we had last season. | |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:23 - Jun 21 with 2842 views | blueislander |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:15 - Jun 21 by BiGDonnie |
I'd be fuming if we sold any of Dozzer, Bishop, Downes, Nydam or Lankester before a season in League 1. |
Absolutely agree. Lambert stated that these players will be featured this season, so let’s hope he sticks to that. I am excited by the thought of them , plus Woolfenden and Kenlock leading our charge to promotion. | | | |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:31 - Jun 21 with 2799 views | flimflam |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:15 - Jun 21 by BiGDonnie |
I'd be fuming if we sold any of Dozzer, Bishop, Downes, Nydam or Lankester before a season in League 1. |
Add Wolfman to that list |  |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:32 - Jun 21 with 2790 views | Steve_M |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:20 - Jun 21 by Swansea_Blue |
I got stuck at 5. Ullaa will be able to go a bit further.
Clarke's sell on is about a million isn't it? Not to be sneezed at. Although I wonder where we'd be now if we had a manager who could have brought these players through while they were with us. Not form a money perspective, but simply that there's every chance some of these would have been better options than the rubbish we had last season. |
I think that the Webster - Clark deal is one that works out well all round, well it might have been had we not sold Webster as soon as anyone came in for him. When Bristol City sell him next Summer for £10m plus then we can feel aggrieved. |  |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:43 - Jun 21 with 2757 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:32 - Jun 21 by Steve_M |
I think that the Webster - Clark deal is one that works out well all round, well it might have been had we not sold Webster as soon as anyone came in for him. When Bristol City sell him next Summer for £10m plus then we can feel aggrieved. |
I look at these things really simply from the point of view of the team. Who would we have been better with last season - Webster or Toto?
Webster wanted to go, but then I don't think we tried to keep him. The sale seemed to be made on financial grounds (probably under pressure to raise funds for Hurst's rebuilding project. As ME was quoted as saying at the time:
"I thought long and hard before agreeing to the move and we haven't let Adam go without receiving a significant fee and that will be reinvested into the playing squad." That turned out well! 
I'd like to think we could have kept these players and they could have grown with the team into something a bit more coherent than what we've had. We've had some good players - in an alternative universe they could have formed the core of a decent, tight knit group of players. But that would require a manager and more importantly an overriding club strategy to develop what we have rather than to try quick fixes with wholesale changes each window.
Of course, it's also likely that they needed to move from us to begin to achieve their potential. We're not exactly a place for placers to grow and flourish at the moment. | |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:47 - Jun 21 with 2733 views | IpswichKnight |
Not that fussed about any of them leaving.
Bart's kicking is not up to the standard of modern keepers now. He is a good keeper but now you need to be comfortable on the ball and be able to pass it out and he can't do that ( mind not seen our new keeper who may also have the same problem ). | | | |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:54 - Jun 21 with 2690 views | Steve_M |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:43 - Jun 21 by Swansea_Blue |
I look at these things really simply from the point of view of the team. Who would we have been better with last season - Webster or Toto?
Webster wanted to go, but then I don't think we tried to keep him. The sale seemed to be made on financial grounds (probably under pressure to raise funds for Hurst's rebuilding project. As ME was quoted as saying at the time:
"I thought long and hard before agreeing to the move and we haven't let Adam go without receiving a significant fee and that will be reinvested into the playing squad." That turned out well!
I'd like to think we could have kept these players and they could have grown with the team into something a bit more coherent than what we've had. We've had some good players - in an alternative universe they could have formed the core of a decent, tight knit group of players. But that would require a manager and more importantly an overriding club strategy to develop what we have rather than to try quick fixes with wholesale changes each window.
Of course, it's also likely that they needed to move from us to begin to achieve their potential. We're not exactly a place for placers to grow and flourish at the moment. |
Well quite. And yet again it shows the failure to ever have a coherent footballing strategy or structure at the club under Evans. We didn't seem to make any effort to keep Webster as Hurst clearly wasn't bothered and that despite only having one two central defenders at the start of the season (I know some criticise MM for not replacing Smith but it was surely right that was left to his successor).
Last Summer is a mess that could haunt us for years which, given we've never recovered from the failings of Summer 2001, is a cheering thought. | |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:56 - Jun 21 with 2679 views | BiGDonnie |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:31 - Jun 21 by flimflam |
Add Wolfman to that list |
Yep.
I'm even quite keen to see how Kenlock and Emmanuel perform too. | |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 10:01 - Jun 21 with 2654 views | Radlett_blue |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:54 - Jun 21 by Steve_M |
Well quite. And yet again it shows the failure to ever have a coherent footballing strategy or structure at the club under Evans. We didn't seem to make any effort to keep Webster as Hurst clearly wasn't bothered and that despite only having one two central defenders at the start of the season (I know some criticise MM for not replacing Smith but it was surely right that was left to his successor).
Last Summer is a mess that could haunt us for years which, given we've never recovered from the failings of Summer 2001, is a cheering thought. |
Lack of a proper footballing strategy is largely why we are now in the 3rd tier. While more short termism, Lambert's job is to assemble a team which can be more than competitive in this league. Is he now signing players who will fit into his preferred 4-3-3 system? While he inherited a mess and I don't expect a great start to the season, I hope to see after 10 games or so some signs of a settled team and a pattern of play. |  |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 10:04 - Jun 21 with 2633 views | bournemouthblue |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 17:06 - Jun 20 by Swansea_Blue |
We’ll make a loss on Harrison whilst they’ll be buying him using part of the £millions they’re getting from a player we sold to them for peanuts.
That says it all about our transfer ‘strategy’. |
Is that confirmed? Pretty disappointing if true
It's not as if they are short of a few bob |  |
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| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 10:30 - Jun 21 with 2561 views | chicoazul |
| So Bart, Jonas, Harrison on 09:32 - Jun 21 by Steve_M |
I think that the Webster - Clark deal is one that works out well all round, well it might have been had we not sold Webster as soon as anyone came in for him. When Bristol City sell him next Summer for £10m plus then we can feel aggrieved. |
Webster will go this summer, and for more than that! | |
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