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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? 05:24 - Jul 3 with 1131 viewsBlueRaider

It is just making the game worse at the moment, long delays and crazy marginal decisions.

Time to learn from other sports

Put it in the hands of the captains, only one failed referral per half, and the game only stops when the ball is in the possession of the team calling the referral or dead.

This would stop the marginal calls, players usually know. I don't think the USA would have risked their review on that goal last night, it could be too valuable later in the game on a more significant decision.

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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 09:05 - Jul 3 with 1043 viewsIpswichKnight

Said this before, they can learn from both Hockey and Cricket here.

Cricket we all know you get one referral an innings and only the captain can call it. Keeping the referral if the decision is umpires call is a good thing for cricket not sure it would work for football.

Think hockey can give football the better idea of how to work this, both sports are free flowing and fast games. Both teams get 1 referral a half. Hockey umpires can refer there own decisions as well.
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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 09:11 - Jul 3 with 1039 viewsSlambo

Excellent suggestion. I always thought the only way to successfully implement VAR would be a challenge system, don't know why it's not even been mentioned by the so-called authorities. I'd maybe give them more, though - three per half, but once you've lost it, you've lost it, so they've REALLY got to be sure. Like the idea of it being the captain's responsibility as well...

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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 09:15 - Jul 3 with 1030 viewsITFC_Forever

One appeal per half, per team and if you're right, you keep it.

Also an "Umpire's call" mechanism as well - this would empower the officials to make a decision and also preventing them cowardly ducking the issue and deliberately making no decision and letting VAR sort it out for them..... if a decision was so tight within a certain margin (eg; England's disallowed goal last night), then VAR would go with Umpire's Call, in the same way if ball would only just be clipping the wickets, then the cricket authorities go with the umpire's original decision.

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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 09:18 - Jul 3 with 1022 viewstractorshark

Posted this on another thread but probably more relevant here...
Best thing for VAR? Ditch it. Here’s why...

Anyone who likes VAR has lost sight of what football is really about.
It encourages pettiness over passion.
I watch a lot of Bundesliga football and their fans are at the stage where they don’t know whether to celebrate or not. Now it’s happening over here.
Football is a human sport, with human emotion and human error.
In the same way your striker will miss an open goal and your keeper will spill a shot, a ref will make the odd mistake.
But at the highest level, they don’t make many. It’s just they get highlighted and pored over.
Now we’ve got a system which is still open to interpretation, doesn’t stick to the original idea of correcting clear and obvious errors and ridiculously slows down the game.
And all at a cost to the actual experience of watching and playing the sport.
VAR has highlighted two things - some of the rules are flawed and there wasn’t much wrong with the game in the first place.
The people who champion VAR are looking for perfection. But all it’s done is dilute the pleasure and passion of watching a game that I love.
Give me a little imperfection anytime.
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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 09:19 - Jul 3 with 1020 viewschicoazul

VAR is yet another example of the UKs ongoing class struggle, intended as it is for the irate middle classes sat at home watching it on TV rather than the proper fans at the game.

I have it in commission, to comfort the feeble-minded, and to support the weak. You must needs go along with us; we will wait for you, we will lend you our help, we will deny ourselves of some things, both opinionated and practical, for your sake; we will not enter into doubtful disputations before you, we will be made all things to you, rather than you shall be left behind
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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 09:37 - Jul 3 with 988 viewsonly_one_sir_bobby

VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 09:15 - Jul 3 by ITFC_Forever

One appeal per half, per team and if you're right, you keep it.

Also an "Umpire's call" mechanism as well - this would empower the officials to make a decision and also preventing them cowardly ducking the issue and deliberately making no decision and letting VAR sort it out for them..... if a decision was so tight within a certain margin (eg; England's disallowed goal last night), then VAR would go with Umpire's Call, in the same way if ball would only just be clipping the wickets, then the cricket authorities go with the umpire's original decision.


Question:

How would you determine when an offside goes from being "Umpire's Call" and being too marginal, to actually being offside? Surely that would be even harder to determine?

In cricket, it is pretty clear when more than half the ball is hitting the wicket, you can't possibly say the same for a football player. I don't see how you can change that side of VAR. As frustrating as it was, and as close as it was, last night (and Lingard v Holland too), it was offside.
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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 13:31 - Jul 3 with 928 viewsGarv

VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 09:18 - Jul 3 by tractorshark

Posted this on another thread but probably more relevant here...
Best thing for VAR? Ditch it. Here’s why...

Anyone who likes VAR has lost sight of what football is really about.
It encourages pettiness over passion.
I watch a lot of Bundesliga football and their fans are at the stage where they don’t know whether to celebrate or not. Now it’s happening over here.
Football is a human sport, with human emotion and human error.
In the same way your striker will miss an open goal and your keeper will spill a shot, a ref will make the odd mistake.
But at the highest level, they don’t make many. It’s just they get highlighted and pored over.
Now we’ve got a system which is still open to interpretation, doesn’t stick to the original idea of correcting clear and obvious errors and ridiculously slows down the game.
And all at a cost to the actual experience of watching and playing the sport.
VAR has highlighted two things - some of the rules are flawed and there wasn’t much wrong with the game in the first place.
The people who champion VAR are looking for perfection. But all it’s done is dilute the pleasure and passion of watching a game that I love.
Give me a little imperfection anytime.


How more people don't have this view confuses me.

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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 23:04 - Jul 3 with 857 viewsThe_Last_Baron

Just scrap it. Keep goal line technology and the rest can take care of itself like it has done for 150 years.

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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 23:38 - Jul 3 with 835 viewsCoastalblue

VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 23:04 - Jul 3 by The_Last_Baron

Just scrap it. Keep goal line technology and the rest can take care of itself like it has done for 150 years.


Agree, football is a sport played by humans (mostly) and refereed by humans. Humans make mistakes, the best make fewer, these add to the overall package not detract.

I know one thing if I end up in grounds watching games where it keeps stopping for 5 minutes then I'll stop bothering, that's not football.

Football's about rhythm, fitness, pressure, composure, game management and countless other aspects which VAR kills.

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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 03:50 - Jul 4 with 809 viewsnoitan

VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 13:31 - Jul 3 by Garv

How more people don't have this view confuses me.


Partly because it works when watching on tv. It isn't good if u r actually at a match. Puts u off live football.

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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 12:44 - Jul 4 with 731 viewsGarv

VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 03:50 - Jul 4 by noitan

Partly because it works when watching on tv. It isn't good if u r actually at a match. Puts u off live football.


I'd disagree with that too.

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VAR - What a farce, how to improve it ? on 18:15 - Jul 4 with 689 viewsbraveblue

Switch it off.
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