We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here 08:28 - Jul 8 with 19610 views | itfcjoe | Discuss... | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:34 - Jul 8 with 5546 views | BlueBadger | 100 POINTS AND 100 GOALS | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:35 - Jul 8 with 5544 views | portmanking | Well, let's be honest. We've blamed the latest string of managers for our demise and no change of manager has, thus far, managed to change the tide. You don't have to be Einstein to see that Evans is the common denominator. It's a case of morals among some Town fans I feel. They can't bring themselves to protest against a man that's stumped up £70m+ of his own wealth. Nevertheless, football club ownership seems to be totally detached from real life in so many ways that why shouldn't we be complaining? We've slumped to our lowest ebb in 60 years, have let our nearest rivals infiltrate our county to enhance their talent pool and generally let our standing within the community slide into oblivion. For me personally, what I would give for a owner/chairman that was part of the community; was approachable to the fans and was open and transparent about his aspirations rather than trotting out vacuous Five Year Plans that've shown no signs of bearing fruit. | | | |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:36 - Jul 8 with 5533 views | Reuser_is_God | We're definitely going somewhere, just in the wrong direction. I honestly thought that relegation would've been the wake up call he needed but evidently not. I really hope this is all just BS from Lambert but I'm convinced it's not. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:36 - Jul 8 with 5530 views | Plums | All the evidence so far would suggest we are going somewhere but in the opposite direction to where we should be going. Whether he can reverse it will play out over the next two years. If he can’t, we’re in a world of trouble on and off the pitch. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:38 - Jul 8 with 5518 views | DanTheMan | We are going somewhere, and it's down. I'm completely disillusioned with his ownership now. - There appears to be little in the way of actual planning - His hires have been bad outside of one - The lack of public appearances has been detrimental on a number of occasions. I get that he did not want to be in the public eye, but maybe he shouldn't have bought a football club if that was going to be an issue for him. - We have been underfunded for years and now it looks like we're going to be underfunded a division down as well which will be really fun. - We're relying on being able to continuously unearth youth talents when we're going to start losing out to everyone else around us if we continue to languish. - Lack of modernisation Really though all you have to do is look at where we were when he took us over and look at where we are now. I get that the money has exponentially gone up in the game but we were in a good position. [Post edited 8 Jul 2019 8:41]
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:40 - Jul 8 with 5494 views | itfcjoe |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:35 - Jul 8 by portmanking | Well, let's be honest. We've blamed the latest string of managers for our demise and no change of manager has, thus far, managed to change the tide. You don't have to be Einstein to see that Evans is the common denominator. It's a case of morals among some Town fans I feel. They can't bring themselves to protest against a man that's stumped up £70m+ of his own wealth. Nevertheless, football club ownership seems to be totally detached from real life in so many ways that why shouldn't we be complaining? We've slumped to our lowest ebb in 60 years, have let our nearest rivals infiltrate our county to enhance their talent pool and generally let our standing within the community slide into oblivion. For me personally, what I would give for a owner/chairman that was part of the community; was approachable to the fans and was open and transparent about his aspirations rather than trotting out vacuous Five Year Plans that've shown no signs of bearing fruit. |
Mick is the only manager who has made Evans look good - and that was only for a couple of years before that all came tumbling down - because Evans couldn't reign Mick in and keep his mouth under control. You look at the set up they have up the road and it's heartbreaking for a twon fan, a clear plan, executed well and whatever the outcomes are you at least know they know what they are doing. We have the infrastructure of a mid table L1 club. Said it on a previous thread - but we used to be a club you'd say teams like Derby, Forest, Norwich, etc were our natural rivals - it's now clubs like Millwall, Barnsley and Rotherham | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:41 - Jul 8 with 5489 views | Reuser_is_God |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:38 - Jul 8 by DanTheMan | We are going somewhere, and it's down. I'm completely disillusioned with his ownership now. - There appears to be little in the way of actual planning - His hires have been bad outside of one - The lack of public appearances has been detrimental on a number of occasions. I get that he did not want to be in the public eye, but maybe he shouldn't have bought a football club if that was going to be an issue for him. - We have been underfunded for years and now it looks like we're going to be underfunded a division down as well which will be really fun. - We're relying on being able to continuously unearth youth talents when we're going to start losing out to everyone else around us if we continue to languish. - Lack of modernisation Really though all you have to do is look at where we were when he took us over and look at where we are now. I get that the money has exponentially gone up in the game but we were in a good position. [Post edited 8 Jul 2019 8:41]
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I cannot understand why the sell on clauses we have received this summer aren't going to be reinvested in the squad. It's bonus money which wouldn't have been accounted for when they finalised budgets for League 1. As Mick would say, bonkers. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:41 - Jul 8 with 5476 views | Metal_Hacker | What is there to discuss I'd ask ? Destination nowhere I'm afraid . The whole scenario is starting to hurt right now after supporting ITFC for the best part of , well too many years. Problem being , I'm really not sure of the answer | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:42 - Jul 8 with 5458 views | Herbivore | Was anyone genuinely expecting us to spend money on fees this summer? I wasn't. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:42 - Jul 8 with 5471 views | DanTheMan |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:41 - Jul 8 by Reuser_is_God | I cannot understand why the sell on clauses we have received this summer aren't going to be reinvested in the squad. It's bonus money which wouldn't have been accounted for when they finalised budgets for League 1. As Mick would say, bonkers. |
Agreed. And again, I understand we've just lost a bunch of money being relegated... which we will continue to do unless we get promoted. I'm not saying we need to go nuts, but no money at all to me makes no fooking sense. I know it's not my money, but I didn't decide to buy a football club. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:43 - Jul 8 with 5464 views | Reuser_is_God |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:42 - Jul 8 by Herbivore | Was anyone genuinely expecting us to spend money on fees this summer? I wasn't. |
Not particularly but with the money we've received from Harrison & the ex players I'd have thought that would change slightly. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:44 - Jul 8 with 5460 views | geg1992 | Although I wasn't expecting him to inject too much in the way of funds for transfers, I still expected him to want us to be in the Championship again ASAP. Now it seems the expectations have been dropped and Lambert's comments this morning have kinda p'd me off. I was really looking forward to this season, and had pencilled in many away games, but now I'm starting to feel downbeat as there seems to be no ambition. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:44 - Jul 8 with 5457 views | portmanking |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:40 - Jul 8 by itfcjoe | Mick is the only manager who has made Evans look good - and that was only for a couple of years before that all came tumbling down - because Evans couldn't reign Mick in and keep his mouth under control. You look at the set up they have up the road and it's heartbreaking for a twon fan, a clear plan, executed well and whatever the outcomes are you at least know they know what they are doing. We have the infrastructure of a mid table L1 club. Said it on a previous thread - but we used to be a club you'd say teams like Derby, Forest, Norwich, etc were our natural rivals - it's now clubs like Millwall, Barnsley and Rotherham |
Yep, and what's equally frustrating is that them lot up the road don't have a rich benefactor either. They've been reasonably self-sustainable through the years. I don't really care that Evans now spends more time than ever at PR. He's still never visible to the fans. You certainly won't see him in Meppen this weekend and nor will he be on a supporter's coach en-route to Burton next month. That's the kind of owner this club needs to haul it off its knees otherwise we're in danger of becoming also rans (if we aren't already)... | | | |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:44 - Jul 8 with 5456 views | Reuser_is_God |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:42 - Jul 8 by DanTheMan | Agreed. And again, I understand we've just lost a bunch of money being relegated... which we will continue to do unless we get promoted. I'm not saying we need to go nuts, but no money at all to me makes no fooking sense. I know it's not my money, but I didn't decide to buy a football club. |
Indeed. The £9m TV money would've almost all been saved by relegation wage clauses in players contracts too I'd have thought. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:46 - Jul 8 with 5427 views | Herbivore |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:43 - Jul 8 by Reuser_is_God | Not particularly but with the money we've received from Harrison & the ex players I'd have thought that would change slightly. |
It's not a fortune though, it's a couple of million quid when our income is dropping by £9m. What that money should mean is a bit more leeway in the wage budget and less pressure to sell anyone else. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:47 - Jul 8 with 5431 views | portmanking |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:44 - Jul 8 by Reuser_is_God | Indeed. The £9m TV money would've almost all been saved by relegation wage clauses in players contracts too I'd have thought. |
That's what I don't quite get? I swear our wage bill last season was what, 16 million? If we've given most 45% wage cuts surely that must bring the bill down by 6-7 million overnight? Couple that with Clarke, Mings, Harrison and potentially Webster fees and we may even have generated an income surplus for that 9m black hole. Something doesn't add up... | | | |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:48 - Jul 8 with 5415 views | itfcjoe |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:44 - Jul 8 by portmanking | Yep, and what's equally frustrating is that them lot up the road don't have a rich benefactor either. They've been reasonably self-sustainable through the years. I don't really care that Evans now spends more time than ever at PR. He's still never visible to the fans. You certainly won't see him in Meppen this weekend and nor will he be on a supporter's coach en-route to Burton next month. That's the kind of owner this club needs to haul it off its knees otherwise we're in danger of becoming also rans (if we aren't already)... |
And he doesn't spend more time at Portman Road anyway. Until he appoints a proper Chief Exec to run the club for him, not in conjunction with him or not being able to make decisions, then we are going nowhere but down | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:48 - Jul 8 with 5412 views | Reuser_is_God |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:46 - Jul 8 by Herbivore | It's not a fortune though, it's a couple of million quid when our income is dropping by £9m. What that money should mean is a bit more leeway in the wage budget and less pressure to sell anyone else. |
I'd imagine relegation clauses in players contracts have pretty much covered that £9m. Our wage bill was circa £18m last year & relegation wage drops ranged from 40-75% | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:48 - Jul 8 with 5406 views | Reuser_is_God |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:47 - Jul 8 by portmanking | That's what I don't quite get? I swear our wage bill last season was what, 16 million? If we've given most 45% wage cuts surely that must bring the bill down by 6-7 million overnight? Couple that with Clarke, Mings, Harrison and potentially Webster fees and we may even have generated an income surplus for that 9m black hole. Something doesn't add up... |
Indeed... | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:49 - Jul 8 with 5404 views | Steve_M | We might be going further downwards but, yes, this is a club in decline and it's a decline that I can not see how we recover from it at the moment. McCarthy did his job well and refused to criticise Evans directly despite his very obvious frustrations and that allowed too many fans to blame him for the club's reduced stature, plus Evans did an interview which was lapped up of course. Again, it comes back to a lack of strategic thinking: allowing the first-team manager free-reign over the club only works when that manager is competent and experienced. Otherwise a Keane, Jewell or Hurst is able to do long-term damage in a comparatively short time. The approach of signing one or two 'good' players per year season (I hope Norwood turns out to be what we hope he is at this level) and leaving gaps throughout the rest of the squad has persisted since the Summer of 2015. It isn't purely about spending money but having a coherent approach to the squad: the indecision about selling Bart and the failure to offer Knudsen a new contract last year are illustrative. There is still a possibility that a good start, plus confidence and momentum might get us promoted but the glaring gaps in the squad - notably at central defence and up front - mean that we'll still be trying to fit things together for the first couple of months of the season. Nothing that is happening at the moment, suggest the club is ready to overturn the poor form of the last 18 months. And, whilst there are questions marks about Lambert's record so far, the growing discontent aimed at him lets Evans off the hook yet again. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:51 - Jul 8 with 5381 views | SitfcB |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:47 - Jul 8 by portmanking | That's what I don't quite get? I swear our wage bill last season was what, 16 million? If we've given most 45% wage cuts surely that must bring the bill down by 6-7 million overnight? Couple that with Clarke, Mings, Harrison and potentially Webster fees and we may even have generated an income surplus for that 9m black hole. Something doesn't add up... |
Not much difference but I think it’s £7 mill in lost TV money. Gone from £7mill to £700k hasn’t it? | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:53 - Jul 8 with 5350 views | portmanking |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:51 - Jul 8 by SitfcB | Not much difference but I think it’s £7 mill in lost TV money. Gone from £7mill to £700k hasn’t it? |
Actually, you're quite right. So in fact, we've almost certainly plugged that income hole this year at least? Factor in the 20% rise in season tickets, is all this designed so that Evans might not even have to put in as much as his usual £6m this season? | | | |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:54 - Jul 8 with 5342 views | BiGDonnie | Absolutely. He's been massively lucky that we have so many youth's we can use for this upcoming season, because if we didn't he'd have nowhere to hide. It already seems like that unless we bounce straight back, we won't be bouncing at all. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:55 - Jul 8 with 5317 views | Herbivore |
We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:48 - Jul 8 by Reuser_is_God | I'd imagine relegation clauses in players contracts have pretty much covered that £9m. Our wage bill was circa £18m last year & relegation wage drops ranged from 40-75% |
I expect the changes to contracts will have saved around £6m to £7m, so with sales and sell on fees we may just have covered the £9m shortfall. That doesn't then mean there's money in the coffers though, that £9m drop is in the context of a club already running at a £6m a season loss. Any money spent on fees will also have a knock on effect on what we can spend on wages. I fully expect at least a couple more signings that will be frees and loans. I don't have an issue with that. If we don't make another signing at all then I'll be very disappointed but it's still early July and the transfer window has nearly 2 months to run for us. | |
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We are going nowhere with Marcus Evans in charge here on 08:55 - Jul 8 with 5322 views | Marshalls_Mullet | That's naughty for a Monday morning... | |
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