| Kohli having another blub on 20:54 - Jul 10 with 4093 views | wkj |
Bless him, I wonder what he wants the ICC to do about a phenomenal display of fielding from teams that aren't India.
NZ weren't fortunate, they played excellent today, he needs to ask questions of Pant, who could be the key moment for India demise |  |
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| Kohli having another blub on 20:58 - Jul 10 with 4064 views | sparks |
| Kohli having another blub on 20:54 - Jul 10 by wkj |
Bless him, I wonder what he wants the ICC to do about a phenomenal display of fielding from teams that aren't India.
NZ weren't fortunate, they played excellent today, he needs to ask questions of Pant, who could be the key moment for India demise |
In fairness he appears to have been specifically asked a question about the format comapred to IPL, and clearly said that it was 45 minutes of bad cricket which cost them- and that they hadnt been good enough. |  |
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| Kohli having another blub on 21:01 - Jul 10 with 4053 views | Trequartista |
I have some sympathy, 45 group games and 3 knockout games seems very strange. Perhaps have 2 groups so there are only 20 group games and have best of 3 or best of 5 semi-finals and final. |  |
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| Kohli having another blub on 21:15 - Jul 10 with 3990 views | Ftnfwest |
Karma in some respects because the group game between the two was rained off which could have affected the placings ultimately |  | | |
| Kohli having another blub on 21:20 - Jul 10 with 3966 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Kohli having another blub on 21:01 - Jul 10 by Trequartista |
I have some sympathy, 45 group games and 3 knockout games seems very strange. Perhaps have 2 groups so there are only 20 group games and have best of 3 or best of 5 semi-finals and final. |
It is a strange way of doing it, but it was brought about to keep the Indians sweet so they can't moan too much about it really. |  | | |
| Kohli having another blub on 21:27 - Jul 10 with 3924 views | Funge |
As much as I particularly dislike the current Aussie team, the Indian arrogance has grated during the entire tournament, and, indeed, in the whole lead-up.
Rohit is arguably batsman of the tournament; Bumrah is one hell of a bowler, and Kohli is something else altogether.
And yet, a difficult team to like.
Am in broad agreement with you that the ICC will manufacture further ways to ensure that India go deep into the next World Cup. All a bit pointless, once people start loading the dice.... |  | | |
| Kohli having another blub on 21:54 - Jul 10 with 3825 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Kohli having another blub on 20:58 - Jul 10 by sparks |
In fairness he appears to have been specifically asked a question about the format comapred to IPL, and clearly said that it was 45 minutes of bad cricket which cost them- and that they hadnt been good enough. |
Correct.
I don't know why some posters here have been fanning the flames of hate against Kohli.
I think the captains of all 10 competing sides have been models of sportsmanship despite some of their teams underperforming or not having had perhaps the same luck as others.
The tournament has been superb in that respect.
I suppose if a person only gets their cricketing views from a British newspaper headlines, it's going to be a bit partisan and selective. [Post edited 10 Jul 2019 21:59]
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| Kohli having another blub on 21:58 - Jul 10 with 3810 views | davblue |
| Kohli having another blub on 21:54 - Jul 10 by caught-in-limbo |
Correct.
I don't know why some posters here have been fanning the flames of hate against Kohli.
I think the captains of all 10 competing sides have been models of sportsmanship despite some of their teams underperforming or not having had perhaps the same luck as others.
The tournament has been superb in that respect.
I suppose if a person only gets their cricketing views from a British newspaper headlines, it's going to be a bit partisan and selective. [Post edited 10 Jul 2019 21:59]
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He does speak alot of sense when you hear him talk but I can't say I'm a particular fan of his public personality. |  | | |
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| Kohli having another blub on 22:00 - Jul 10 with 3801 views | Steve_M |
| Kohli having another blub on 21:54 - Jul 10 by caught-in-limbo |
Correct.
I don't know why some posters here have been fanning the flames of hate against Kohli.
I think the captains of all 10 competing sides have been models of sportsmanship despite some of their teams underperforming or not having had perhaps the same luck as others.
The tournament has been superb in that respect.
I suppose if a person only gets their cricketing views from a British newspaper headlines, it's going to be a bit partisan and selective. [Post edited 10 Jul 2019 21:59]
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You've not heard the Indian commentators during their matches I take it?
In any case this format exists because of India and Pakistan exiting the 2007 World Cup early and upsetting the TV networks. It benefits Australia and England too which is why we're still in the competition after three defeats. |  |
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| Kohli having another blub on 22:05 - Jul 10 with 3785 views | hatch |
| Kohli having another blub on 20:58 - Jul 10 by sparks |
In fairness he appears to have been specifically asked a question about the format comapred to IPL, and clearly said that it was 45 minutes of bad cricket which cost them- and that they hadnt been good enough. |
Agreed. They pretty much put the words in his mouth to get the headline.
Commentators for the India game have been a little bias I would agree but not enough for me to get upset over, just makes it all the more satisfying when they lose. New Zealand have been their usual humble selves.
Also, I’d argue Shakib HAS to be batsman of the tournament given the side he is playing in and their dependency on him alone. |  | | |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:06 - Jul 10 with 3776 views | Funge |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:05 - Jul 10 by hatch |
Agreed. They pretty much put the words in his mouth to get the headline.
Commentators for the India game have been a little bias I would agree but not enough for me to get upset over, just makes it all the more satisfying when they lose. New Zealand have been their usual humble selves.
Also, I’d argue Shakib HAS to be batsman of the tournament given the side he is playing in and their dependency on him alone. |
Fair comment about Shakib. | | | |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:08 - Jul 10 with 3762 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Kohli having another blub on 21:58 - Jul 10 by davblue |
He does speak alot of sense when you hear him talk but I can't say I'm a particular fan of his public personality. |
He's carrying the weight of a billion Indian cricket fans on his shoulders. He acknowledges that they didn't do the job (including himself) during a short 45 minutes and he's deeply disappointed.
I feel for him. He doesn't blame anyone except for his team in that match and the media has tried to put words in his mouth.
Fair enough, he's not as amiable as Sachin, but Tendulkar didn't carry the responsibility of being captain very well (in terms of success).
Anyway, here we are judging a player from a completely different culture by our cultural standards. I'd say that shows a fair amount of arrogance on our part. | |
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| Kohli having another blub on 22:14 - Jul 10 with 3741 views | Funge |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:08 - Jul 10 by caught-in-limbo |
He's carrying the weight of a billion Indian cricket fans on his shoulders. He acknowledges that they didn't do the job (including himself) during a short 45 minutes and he's deeply disappointed.
I feel for him. He doesn't blame anyone except for his team in that match and the media has tried to put words in his mouth.
Fair enough, he's not as amiable as Sachin, but Tendulkar didn't carry the responsibility of being captain very well (in terms of success).
Anyway, here we are judging a player from a completely different culture by our cultural standards. I'd say that shows a fair amount of arrogance on our part. |
'Anyway, here we are judging a player from a completely different culture by our cultural standards. I'd say that shows a fair amount of arrogance on our part.'
That doesn't scan at all. | | | |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:17 - Jul 10 with 3728 views | Gogs |
Everything the ICC do in tournaments is done with the aim of seeing India do well in them.
In this WC:
Fixtures in this tournament - give them an extra week off because of the IPL, despite all other teams having loads of their players in the IPL.
Pitches - largely prepared to be slowing pitches which have a fair bit in them for the bowlers, including spinners. Not complaining about this too much as it's made for some cracking games - but has favoured the team batting first a bit too much.
The 10 team round robin group stage - done to help prevent an early exit for India like 2007
I understand they're the biggest audience by far but their arrogance and sense of entitlement is breathtaking at times. It's a World Cup, not the India show. And their commentators are ridiculously biased. The likes of Simon Doull and Ian Smith from NZ are much more balanced. I'll forgive Smithy his 'Is that the World Cup?' yell when Guptill ran out Dhoni today. Well done NZ, pretty much all of the rest of World cricket was behind you today. |  | | |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:18 - Jul 10 with 3725 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:00 - Jul 10 by Steve_M |
You've not heard the Indian commentators during their matches I take it?
In any case this format exists because of India and Pakistan exiting the 2007 World Cup early and upsetting the TV networks. It benefits Australia and England too which is why we're still in the competition after three defeats. |
"You've not heard the Indian commentators during their matches I take it? "
No, I haven't. That's true.
But I've heard Spanish, French, Italian, many South American countries and English commentators during national football matches and surprise, surprise they're all biased. If you're a keen fan of one country, the bias shown by other countries' commentators seem really over the top and quite ugly, but it's the same for all sides.
The English banging on about their best league in the world (football) probably grates for many other countries like the Indians' banging on about their cricketing prowess.
Anyway, I find it ugly to judge others from different cultures by our own cultural standards. | |
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| Kohli having another blub on 22:20 - Jul 10 with 3717 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:05 - Jul 10 by hatch |
Agreed. They pretty much put the words in his mouth to get the headline.
Commentators for the India game have been a little bias I would agree but not enough for me to get upset over, just makes it all the more satisfying when they lose. New Zealand have been their usual humble selves.
Also, I’d argue Shakib HAS to be batsman of the tournament given the side he is playing in and their dependency on him alone. |
"Also, I’d argue Shakib HAS to be batsman of the tournament given the side he is playing in and their dependency on him alone."
This is a point which has been made several times by the largely Indian run Cricinfo pundits. | |
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| Kohli having another blub on 22:22 - Jul 10 with 3709 views | Funge |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:18 - Jul 10 by caught-in-limbo |
"You've not heard the Indian commentators during their matches I take it? "
No, I haven't. That's true.
But I've heard Spanish, French, Italian, many South American countries and English commentators during national football matches and surprise, surprise they're all biased. If you're a keen fan of one country, the bias shown by other countries' commentators seem really over the top and quite ugly, but it's the same for all sides.
The English banging on about their best league in the world (football) probably grates for many other countries like the Indians' banging on about their cricketing prowess.
Anyway, I find it ugly to judge others from different cultures by our own cultural standards. |
'The English banging on about their best league in the world (football) probably grates for many other countries like the Indians' banging on about their cricketing prowess. '
This is a very fair point. One could argue that the English have led the way in the increasing commercialisation of football, headed by Sky, the Premier League and Richard Scudamore.
A close parallel can be seen in Cricket, except that the drive for money is headed by the IPL and the BCCI.
Most money = best, apparently. | | | |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:24 - Jul 10 with 3699 views | hatch |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:20 - Jul 10 by caught-in-limbo |
"Also, I’d argue Shakib HAS to be batsman of the tournament given the side he is playing in and their dependency on him alone."
This is a point which has been made several times by the largely Indian run Cricinfo pundits. |
Unbiased of them then? Is that your point? | | | |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:25 - Jul 10 with 3688 views | davblue |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:08 - Jul 10 by caught-in-limbo |
He's carrying the weight of a billion Indian cricket fans on his shoulders. He acknowledges that they didn't do the job (including himself) during a short 45 minutes and he's deeply disappointed.
I feel for him. He doesn't blame anyone except for his team in that match and the media has tried to put words in his mouth.
Fair enough, he's not as amiable as Sachin, but Tendulkar didn't carry the responsibility of being captain very well (in terms of success).
Anyway, here we are judging a player from a completely different culture by our cultural standards. I'd say that shows a fair amount of arrogance on our part. |
Nothing to do with today, I personally don't like his public persona. I'm sure hes a nice bloke away from the spotlight. | | | |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:27 - Jul 10 with 3669 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:14 - Jul 10 by Funge |
'Anyway, here we are judging a player from a completely different culture by our cultural standards. I'd say that shows a fair amount of arrogance on our part.'
That doesn't scan at all. |
Judging people of a different culture by another culture's standards is stupid.
It's like saying the Germans are blunt. The French are arrogant. The Spanish are lazy. The Chinese are disgusting. Russians are rude and disrespectful. Jews are penny-pinching.
Such stereotypes are made from the position that our own culture is a good model. I think that's a very arrogant position to start with. | |
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| Kohli having another blub on 22:30 - Jul 10 with 3649 views | Reuser_is_God |
Bless him. |  |
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| Kohli having another blub on 22:30 - Jul 10 with 3649 views | davblue |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:27 - Jul 10 by caught-in-limbo |
Judging people of a different culture by another culture's standards is stupid.
It's like saying the Germans are blunt. The French are arrogant. The Spanish are lazy. The Chinese are disgusting. Russians are rude and disrespectful. Jews are penny-pinching.
Such stereotypes are made from the position that our own culture is a good model. I think that's a very arrogant position to start with. |
This has got very deep, very quickly over saying I dont like his public persona.
I've never said anything about his Indian heritage, so I'm not quite sure where this is coming from. [Post edited 10 Jul 2019 22:31]
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| Kohli having another blub on 22:31 - Jul 10 with 3647 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:24 - Jul 10 by hatch |
Unbiased of them then? Is that your point? |
Yes.
I'd also say that Greame Swann, Michael Hussey and Daniel Vetori along with all the Indian ex-players on CricInfo have been superb, sporting and very entertaining. | |
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| Kohli having another blub on 22:36 - Jul 10 with 3610 views | Funge |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:27 - Jul 10 by caught-in-limbo |
Judging people of a different culture by another culture's standards is stupid.
It's like saying the Germans are blunt. The French are arrogant. The Spanish are lazy. The Chinese are disgusting. Russians are rude and disrespectful. Jews are penny-pinching.
Such stereotypes are made from the position that our own culture is a good model. I think that's a very arrogant position to start with. |
'Judging people of a different culture by another culture's standards is stupid' - no, it's normal.
People of every culture, everywhere, will judge others by the inherent standards by which they have been culturally raised.
This is fundamental to the whole concept of culture (apologies if that's appears to be all rather navel-gazing).
I'm not sure if the stereotypes referenced within your second paragraph can be considered specific to our 'culture', or any others. [Post edited 10 Jul 2019 22:38]
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| Kohli having another blub on 22:38 - Jul 10 with 3599 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Kohli having another blub on 22:30 - Jul 10 by davblue |
This has got very deep, very quickly over saying I dont like his public persona.
I've never said anything about his Indian heritage, so I'm not quite sure where this is coming from. [Post edited 10 Jul 2019 22:31]
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I'm not implying anything racist from you or anyone. I'm saying what appears to be arrogance from one country's perspective actually isn't arrogant at all from another's.
The Indian in me could identify aloofness and thuggery in several of the English players, but I know that's not the way they necessarily are when viewed from a British perspective. | |
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