The Brentford model works again.... on 08:45 - Jul 11 with 3932 views | Kieran_Knows | Them and Peterborough really do have it to a tee. Whilst it may not bring them massive success on the pitch (although they do play good football), at least it means they are sustainable as a club and probably (although I don't know this for sure) aren't so reliant on the owner to pump money in to keep the club afloat every season. | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 08:50 - Jul 11 with 3884 views | xrayspecs | Mings - £10k >>£ms Waghorn Garner Webster Moore... | | | |
The Brentford model works again.... on 08:52 - Jul 11 with 3866 views | JimmyJazz |
The Brentford model works again.... on 08:45 - Jul 11 by Kieran_Knows | Them and Peterborough really do have it to a tee. Whilst it may not bring them massive success on the pitch (although they do play good football), at least it means they are sustainable as a club and probably (although I don't know this for sure) aren't so reliant on the owner to pump money in to keep the club afloat every season. |
With the key being - buy for 2.5 million It must be frustrating for the fans though, constantly seeing players develop - a few at the same time results in a decent team - only to see it constantly be unassembled and they have to start again. One or two poor 2.5 million purchases and the whole thing falls apart | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 08:55 - Jul 11 with 3847 views | Kieran_Knows |
The Brentford model works again.... on 08:52 - Jul 11 by JimmyJazz | With the key being - buy for 2.5 million It must be frustrating for the fans though, constantly seeing players develop - a few at the same time results in a decent team - only to see it constantly be unassembled and they have to start again. One or two poor 2.5 million purchases and the whole thing falls apart |
True, but it does feel different with Brentford. They seem to have a proper scouting system in place, which tends to be more right, than wrong (although their Danish links do help, signed someone yesterday from Celta Vigo who they signed a year ago for big money from Denmark). | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 08:55 - Jul 11 with 3848 views | mrshallisfit |
The Brentford model works again.... on 08:50 - Jul 11 by xrayspecs | Mings - £10k >>£ms Waghorn Garner Webster Moore... |
I think that nice little conveyor belt might now stop as MM has left the club. | | | |
The Brentford model works again.... on 08:55 - Jul 11 with 3849 views | ITFC_Forever |
The Brentford model works again.... on 08:50 - Jul 11 by xrayspecs | Mings - £10k >>£ms Waghorn Garner Webster Moore... |
The point I was making (although not particularly clearly, I grant you), was that Brentford are then not afraid to re-invest to the tune of up to £5m (Jansson) to improve the squad, rather than a few pennies here and there. | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 08:55 - Jul 11 with 3844 views | itfcjoe | Had Evans given Mick the chance to reinvest fees I think we’d have done so - not to same extent as we tended to go for. Ore distressed assets as opposed to young players with higher upsides. I heard the figures the other day, but they are clearing £10m a year on transfer fees but still spending £8-10m a year. | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:00 - Jul 11 with 3798 views | Marshalls_Mullet | That does of course involve closing the academy. I'm not keen to make that sacrifice. | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:02 - Jul 11 with 3782 views | SWGF |
The Brentford model works again.... on 08:55 - Jul 11 by itfcjoe | Had Evans given Mick the chance to reinvest fees I think we’d have done so - not to same extent as we tended to go for. Ore distressed assets as opposed to young players with higher upsides. I heard the figures the other day, but they are clearing £10m a year on transfer fees but still spending £8-10m a year. |
Can't remember which podcast it was that I was listening to the other day....maybe Not The Top 20? Anyhow, they were going through the figures of the last half a dozen years. Basically sales were ~£20m each year and purchases were £5-6m, and repeat. Properly reinvesting and therefore seeing proper ROI. [Post edited 11 Jul 2019 9:02]
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:02 - Jul 11 with 3777 views | ITFC_Forever |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:00 - Jul 11 by Marshalls_Mullet | That does of course involve closing the academy. I'm not keen to make that sacrifice. |
Not necessarily. With a bit of thought, both models can be used.... | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:03 - Jul 11 with 3770 views | Stewart27 | Yes and they have this crazy system of putting some of that cash aside to buy players too. Madness. | | | |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:07 - Jul 11 with 3739 views | itfcjoe |
The Brentford model works again.... on 08:52 - Jul 11 by JimmyJazz | With the key being - buy for 2.5 million It must be frustrating for the fans though, constantly seeing players develop - a few at the same time results in a decent team - only to see it constantly be unassembled and they have to start again. One or two poor 2.5 million purchases and the whole thing falls apart |
Their recruitment is almost bulletproof now - bar an absolute shocker They have such a good name for it now that all their recruits are a bit over rated now – they’ve had half a dozen £10m players and not made the play offs since we did! IA Brentford player is not like a Man U Youth player under Fergie or a Brazilian who is just assumed to be better die to their reputation | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:10 - Jul 11 with 3725 views | ElephantintheRoom | Like most cunning plans, it's good whilst it works. The truth is that it is not sustainable as it depends on getting a higher percentage of picks right than wrong - something that no club in history has yet done over a sustained period of time. Having said that, in an era when clubs discard their youth players or loan them out to other clubs, not having an academy seems eminently sensible, particularly in London. And for a club like Brentford it has them overachieving for a few years - just like the Swansea way, the Burnley way etc etc | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:14 - Jul 11 with 3706 views | ElderGrizzly |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:02 - Jul 11 by SWGF | Can't remember which podcast it was that I was listening to the other day....maybe Not The Top 20? Anyhow, they were going through the figures of the last half a dozen years. Basically sales were ~£20m each year and purchases were £5-6m, and repeat. Properly reinvesting and therefore seeing proper ROI. [Post edited 11 Jul 2019 9:02]
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Although if we sold for £20m and ‘only’ reinvested £6m, Evans would be accused of pocketing the money. I suppose in some ways we did follow that model last year? Lower sales figure, but fees paid in that region? Trick is doing it season after season of course [Post edited 11 Jul 2019 9:15]
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:18 - Jul 11 with 3667 views | Kieran_Knows |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:14 - Jul 11 by ElderGrizzly | Although if we sold for £20m and ‘only’ reinvested £6m, Evans would be accused of pocketing the money. I suppose in some ways we did follow that model last year? Lower sales figure, but fees paid in that region? Trick is doing it season after season of course [Post edited 11 Jul 2019 9:15]
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Trick is having a proper scouting system in place. As I mentioned higher up, they signed a Danish lad yesterday from Celta Vigo yesterday who only a year ago moved for big money to them. He had a year on the fringes, barely played, his price went down so now Brentford have swooped in. It's all about the scouting for me. They have it down to a tee. To think we splashed out £1.6m on Jackson last summer, when the year before, Brentford signed Ollie Watkins for £1.8m and last year he was being spoken about as a £15m target for West Ham. Crazy. | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:27 - Jul 11 with 3598 views | TractorJack |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:10 - Jul 11 by ElephantintheRoom | Like most cunning plans, it's good whilst it works. The truth is that it is not sustainable as it depends on getting a higher percentage of picks right than wrong - something that no club in history has yet done over a sustained period of time. Having said that, in an era when clubs discard their youth players or loan them out to other clubs, not having an academy seems eminently sensible, particularly in London. And for a club like Brentford it has them overachieving for a few years - just like the Swansea way, the Burnley way etc etc |
I think you are underestimating their recruitment team. Even after selling Konsa for £12 mil they have two players in Maupay and Benrahma who are worth £10- £15 mil each. Yes there is always risk involved but there is in any transfers and they are proving to be right time and time again. | | | |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:30 - Jul 11 with 3571 views | SWGF |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:14 - Jul 11 by ElderGrizzly | Although if we sold for £20m and ‘only’ reinvested £6m, Evans would be accused of pocketing the money. I suppose in some ways we did follow that model last year? Lower sales figure, but fees paid in that region? Trick is doing it season after season of course [Post edited 11 Jul 2019 9:15]
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The trick is having the balls to do it at a higher level. Buying at £2-3m rated player gives a higher probability of them proving themselves at the higher level and getting a larger fee when they're sold. Also, as is highlighted elsewhere, having a proper scouting system that can find players from all over Europe (and chuck in a £12m sale from the youth system here and there). Selling at £5m and buying players at ~£1m (or lower) would, in the main, mean it's more of a gamble that the new players will come off. Or taking it to another extreme, selling your only centre forward and then having to use Leon Best. | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:33 - Jul 11 with 3551 views | SWGF |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:18 - Jul 11 by Kieran_Knows | Trick is having a proper scouting system in place. As I mentioned higher up, they signed a Danish lad yesterday from Celta Vigo yesterday who only a year ago moved for big money to them. He had a year on the fringes, barely played, his price went down so now Brentford have swooped in. It's all about the scouting for me. They have it down to a tee. To think we splashed out £1.6m on Jackson last summer, when the year before, Brentford signed Ollie Watkins for £1.8m and last year he was being spoken about as a £15m target for West Ham. Crazy. |
Hogan £750k > £9m Andre Gray £500k > £9m Jota was free wasn't he? Then sold to Brum for £5m+ Egan was free > £4m It is all down to scouting but it's working! | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:35 - Jul 11 with 3538 views | SWGF |
The Brentford model works again.... on 08:55 - Jul 11 by ITFC_Forever | The point I was making (although not particularly clearly, I grant you), was that Brentford are then not afraid to re-invest to the tune of up to £5m (Jansson) to improve the squad, rather than a few pennies here and there. |
That's the "skill". Buying at a higher price gives a higher probability that the players will be better (if you've scouted them properly) and therefore be worth more when you eventually sell. | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:35 - Jul 11 with 3539 views | Kieran_Knows |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:33 - Jul 11 by SWGF | Hogan £750k > £9m Andre Gray £500k > £9m Jota was free wasn't he? Then sold to Brum for £5m+ Egan was free > £4m It is all down to scouting but it's working! |
Indeed. All about spotting talent early and swooping in for them. Romaine Sawyers is another they got for free, and was linked with Celtic last week at £2.5m. There just never seems any sort of strategy to our scouting. | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:37 - Jul 11 with 3533 views | DanTheMan |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:35 - Jul 11 by Kieran_Knows | Indeed. All about spotting talent early and swooping in for them. Romaine Sawyers is another they got for free, and was linked with Celtic last week at £2.5m. There just never seems any sort of strategy to our scouting. |
It's been (as far as I'm aware) up to the managers. Whilst there are modern bits in there, it paled in comparison to some clubs. I remember Forest Green having quite a good set up. This was a few years back mind. | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 09:43 - Jul 11 with 3510 views | BlueBadger |
The Brentford model works again.... on 08:55 - Jul 11 by mrshallisfit | I think that nice little conveyor belt might now stop as MM has left the club. |
I fear you're right. What we've gained in good PR, amenable pressers and nice dinners for club legends in Lambert, we've probably lost a lot of transfer savvy. [Post edited 11 Jul 2019 10:45]
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The Brentford model works again.... on 10:45 - Jul 11 with 3387 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:02 - Jul 11 by ITFC_Forever | Not necessarily. With a bit of thought, both models can be used.... |
Scrapping their academy free'd up £2m per year for investment in transfers. Thats significant to their strategy. | |
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The Brentford model works again.... on 10:50 - Jul 11 with 3369 views | ElderGrizzly |
The Brentford model works again.... on 09:35 - Jul 11 by Kieran_Knows | Indeed. All about spotting talent early and swooping in for them. Romaine Sawyers is another they got for free, and was linked with Celtic last week at £2.5m. There just never seems any sort of strategy to our scouting. |
Agree with all your and SWGF’s points, I was just picking up on the reaction here and elsewhere if we consistently followed that £20m in £6m out model. Brentford have got it exactly right, but at the expense of ditching the academy. Do we plough the £2m a year from the academy into scouting instead? | | | |
The Brentford model works again.... on 10:53 - Jul 11 with 3354 views | Kieran_Knows |
The Brentford model works again.... on 10:50 - Jul 11 by ElderGrizzly | Agree with all your and SWGF’s points, I was just picking up on the reaction here and elsewhere if we consistently followed that £20m in £6m out model. Brentford have got it exactly right, but at the expense of ditching the academy. Do we plough the £2m a year from the academy into scouting instead? |
True, although I think if people could see that the club was following some kind of model, it wouldn't necessarily be looked upon as Evans pocketing the money. But that's another discussion for another day! I think it's a fine line. As someone mentioned above, Brentford almost have a £2m head start every summer due to them not having an academy, but then who's to say we don't have someone come through the academy who is the eventually worth £10m+? | |
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