| Re: Dozzell 09:09 - Jul 23 with 2917 views | blueysbackside |
To those of you who have watched him regularly....
Putting aside the Norwich talk, has he done enough to justify a new deal?
Whenever I have watched him he seems too lightweight. People seem to be arguing he should be staying cos this league will be some sort of cakewalk for our talented youngsters.
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:11 - Jul 23 with 2539 views | Garv |
One of those players who if you put him in a premier league team he would probably look better. He'd have time to play the kind of passes he can. If he has protection around him he can shine. Obviously you don't want him getting into a midfield battle. |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:11 - Jul 23 with 2536 views | textbackup |
as a club we want to keep our better players, why wouldn't we want to offer him a deal to stay here..... but even more so if we have to sell him get him on a deal which pushes that price up |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:12 - Jul 23 with 2525 views | itfcjoe |
Surely the fact that PL teams still want to buy him make it fairly obvious that whatever your opinion he has a value that needs to be protected by offering a longer contract? |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:12 - Jul 23 with 2529 views | homer_123 |
Hes a player who can genuinely change a game. Hes got an eye for a pass but.....questions remain on:
1. Physicality
2. Fitness
3. Whether we have the players to benefit from his ability....sometimes hes working at another level |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:15 - Jul 23 with 2503 views | textbackup |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:12 - Jul 23 by homer_123 |
Hes a player who can genuinely change a game. Hes got an eye for a pass but.....questions remain on:
1. Physicality
2. Fitness
3. Whether we have the players to benefit from his ability....sometimes hes working at another level |
I think norwood will quickly learn what he's all about, and that could work a treat | |
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:15 - Jul 23 with 2500 views | N2_Blue |
Bit too much hype about him but the hope is the potential that is there. Remember the kid Byron Lawrence people used to go on about....it doesn’t always happen.
He should definitely be given a new deal on standard terms as he has promise still and hopefully he fully gets over the injury and bulks up a bit.
But personally I wouldn’t be crying if he rejected the deal and left, just disappointed he never made it here. |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:16 - Jul 23 with 2492 views | homer_123 |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:15 - Jul 23 by textbackup |
I think norwood will quickly learn what he's all about, and that could work a treat |
Here's hoping. | |
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:17 - Jul 23 with 2474 views | hampstead_blue |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:15 - Jul 23 by textbackup |
I think norwood will quickly learn what he's all about, and that could work a treat |
I hope so.
However I think L1 is more about physicality than lithe, deft players.
If something comes in I think he will go. I don't blame him nor should we.
A young lad with a promising career ahead. He ought to have the ambition to maximise himself and move up the ladder.
Sometimes we tag a player as lacking ambition, well if AD has ambition then we should applaud it and wish him well.
Pragmatic view on transfers rather than emotional. |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:25 - Jul 23 with 2435 views | monty_radio |
For me, when a player can delight with a single pass or a "spot" that most would never visualise, he immediately gains attention and hope. But when Man Utd are currently tipping a 17 yr-old to sharpen their attacking threat this season, Andre's time is passing him and us by.
There have always been such players, Mark Brennan, Brendan O'Callaghan, Bobby Petta - you hope and you hope, but perhaps taking the money is a more solid bet. | |
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:26 - Jul 23 with 2432 views | TractorJack |
I see comments on his age and an expectation for him to be further along but I think people forget how little first team football he's actually played - that year out has made a dent in his progress, as it would for any young player. Even last season he was only given a run of starts once we were relegated. Despite that, in a poorly performing team, his passing is still very good and there's proof
The physical/defensive side can be taught. I'm certain he'll improve. |  | | |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:29 - Jul 23 with 2410 views | LeoMuff |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:17 - Jul 23 by hampstead_blue |
I hope so.
However I think L1 is more about physicality than lithe, deft players.
If something comes in I think he will go. I don't blame him nor should we.
A young lad with a promising career ahead. He ought to have the ambition to maximise himself and move up the ladder.
Sometimes we tag a player as lacking ambition, well if AD has ambition then we should applaud it and wish him well.
Pragmatic view on transfers rather than emotional. |
Fine if he goes but not to them, I can’t believe any Dozzell would be ok with that. |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:34 - Jul 23 with 2387 views | Nazemariner |
We should definitely be trying to tie him down to a longer deal. Whether he'll sign it or not is another matter.
He is far from the finished article, as many have highlighted, but he has an eye for a forward pass that is of Premier League quality that is for sure.
Unfortunately, being that we reside in League 1, if a reasonable offer comes in, and the player fancies the move, it'll be bye, bye Andre! |  | | |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:35 - Jul 23 with 2382 views | SaigonTractor |
The boy clearly has potential.
If we got rid of him I'm 100% sure he'd be the next Rhodes/Marriot we let escape our academy.
Also I don't care if they offer us 100mil, we shouldn't entertain any offers from Norwich. [Post edited 23 Jul 2019 9:38]
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:38 - Jul 23 with 2353 views | titanicclown |
He provides a real dilema.
His speed of thought and passing is of international standard.
However, his defensive work is of amateur standard.
If his defensive work improves (and he has beefed up) then weve got a superstar on our hands. If it doesnt then I fear his career will drift.
If he is seriously contemplating a move to a prem club, I worry he is underestimating the work he has to. Because of injuries he will probably start the season for us so he should be getting his head down, working on his defending and nail his spot down.
After a couple of weeks he'll have Huws and Nolan breathing down his neck. Both have a more complete set of skills so it should be a brilliant challenge for Dozzell.
If hes not motivated by the competition then that raises a whole lot of other questions about him. |  | | |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:39 - Jul 23 with 2344 views | trncbluearmy |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:29 - Jul 23 by LeoMuff |
Fine if he goes but not to them, I can’t believe any Dozzell would be ok with that. |
especially TS!
But seriously a Dozzell,as you say,playing for the scum is unthinkable.
If a decent prem club came in with a massive offer, say £5m plus and some good add on`s then maybe, but the real problem is all the money we get for TV`s goes into the general pot rather then earmarked for transfers so as fans we never see any benefit from it |  | | |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:42 - Jul 23 with 2327 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't think anyone has said this league will be a 'cakewalk', but if any of our better youngsters cant compete at this level, then they don't have a bright future in the game. |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 09:50 - Jul 23 with 2288 views | BloomBlue |
He's young and physically still developing same as Kieron Dyer at the same age, Kieron would bounce off some of the old pro midfielders, but he developed physicality as will Dozzell.
George Burley was the same when he first played as a youngster for Town, few players are built like Bramble or Beattie in their late teens/early 20s.
Clubs buy players on potential. |  | | |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:56 - Jul 23 with 2244 views | Bent_double |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:29 - Jul 23 by LeoMuff |
Fine if he goes but not to them, I can’t believe any Dozzell would be ok with that. |
Exactly, surely Dozy still has contacts at Spurs, they would be a better fit. Shouldn't even be entertaining the idea of playing for the scum. |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 10:04 - Jul 23 with 2204 views | davblue |
| Re: Dozzell on 09:50 - Jul 23 by BloomBlue |
He's young and physically still developing same as Kieron Dyer at the same age, Kieron would bounce off some of the old pro midfielders, but he developed physicality as will Dozzell.
George Burley was the same when he first played as a youngster for Town, few players are built like Bramble or Beattie in their late teens/early 20s.
Clubs buy players on potential. |
Dyer was far in advance of Dozzell at their respective ages, there's no comparison imo. |  | | |
| Re: Dozzell on 10:29 - Jul 23 with 2080 views | BloomBlue |
| Re: Dozzell on 10:04 - Jul 23 by davblue |
Dyer was far in advance of Dozzell at their respective ages, there's no comparison imo. |
Nah Dyer was still bouncing off players at 20 / 21 and dont forget Dozzell lost a season because of that injury. | | | |
| Re: Dozzell on 12:00 - Jul 23 with 1911 views | BlueBadger |
| Re: Dozzell on 10:29 - Jul 23 by BloomBlue |
Nah Dyer was still bouncing off players at 20 / 21 and dont forget Dozzell lost a season because of that injury. |
And most of last season because of not one, but two terrible managers. |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 12:04 - Jul 23 with 1895 views | StokieBlue |
| Re: Dozzell on 10:29 - Jul 23 by BloomBlue |
Nah Dyer was still bouncing off players at 20 / 21 and dont forget Dozzell lost a season because of that injury. |
That's not my recollection - Dyer was a far better player at the same age from what we have seen.
He played for the full England side at 21 which would kind of dispute your point.
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| Re: Dozzell on 12:38 - Jul 23 with 1821 views | ArnieM |
Dozzell undoubtably has that killer pass on him . BUT for the majority of the games he’s played inyou just don’t notice him. He’s not exactly running the midfield . Let’s be clear here, he’s not actually a kid anymore, and I do wonder if he may take a couple of seasons to recoup from his injury. At championship and league one levels I’d say he’s definitely lightweight, and almost a luxury. In the PL players have to everything in their game . Not sure he’s got that in his locker. |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 12:52 - Jul 23 with 1784 views | SE1blue |
| Re: Dozzell on 10:29 - Jul 23 by BloomBlue |
Nah Dyer was still bouncing off players at 20 / 21 and dont forget Dozzell lost a season because of that injury. |
Even though Dyer was slight he could easily outfox players and leave them behind, so his size was of little issue at times.
Dozzell is good but I’d have Dyer every time. |  |
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| Re: Dozzell on 12:56 - Jul 23 with 1765 views | itfcjoe |
| Re: Dozzell on 12:52 - Jul 23 by SE1blue |
Even though Dyer was slight he could easily outfox players and leave them behind, so his size was of little issue at times.
Dozzell is good but I’d have Dyer every time. |
Dyer was also so fast off the mark | |
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