| Cricket issues... 10:02 - Jul 25 with 1575 views | sparks |
Am I wildly off the mark in beginning to think that Stokes should be tried at 3?
I object to the argument that Root should go there. Lengthy period in the field captaining, followed by immediately being padded up ready to be first in (potentially 2nd ball) is clearly not going to give him thebest chance of success.
Stokes, whilst a big hitter, has increasingly shown (even in the WC) an ability and determination to dig in and scrap out the runs in the early stages of an innings when needed. Could he not do that in a Test?
You could then have
1 Burns
2 Roy
3 Stokes
4 Root
5 Buttler
6 Bairstow
7 Moeen
8 Broad
9 Archer
10 Anderson
11- AN Other (Wood or a dibbly dobbler depending on the pitch. Curranperhaps- in which case at 8 not 11). |  |
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| Cricket issues... on 10:05 - Jul 25 with 1548 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I would argue bowling would be nearly as much a burden as having been captain in the field.
Whether one or other is better there is not down to that argument.
How did Moeen do there? Would one of the other specialist batsman do the job?
We really need to get 2 good openers too. |  |
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| Cricket issues... on 10:06 - Jul 25 with 1534 views | Herbivore |
I'd probably have Woakes in, I like him as a cricketer and he's quick enough to be a main bowler whilst also being able to chip in a few lower order runs.
I've seen worse shouts than Stokes at three. He doesn't bowl so much now and is in the side mainly for his batting. He has solid technique and plays to the game situation very well.
Edit - Woakes in the side, not batting at three. [Post edited 25 Jul 2019 10:09]
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| Cricket issues... on 10:09 - Jul 25 with 1531 views | itfcjoe |
I think we need to put Bairstow there and take the gloves off him - both Buttler and Foakes are better keepers than him for a start.
He threw his toys out of the pram last time it happened as wants to keep, but that needs to be brought into line - he is a batsman capable of batting in the top 4 and should be made to do so. |  |
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| Cricket issues... on 10:09 - Jul 25 with 1530 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Cricket issues... on 10:06 - Jul 25 by Herbivore |
I'd probably have Woakes in, I like him as a cricketer and he's quick enough to be a main bowler whilst also being able to chip in a few lower order runs.
I've seen worse shouts than Stokes at three. He doesn't bowl so much now and is in the side mainly for his batting. He has solid technique and plays to the game situation very well.
Edit - Woakes in the side, not batting at three. [Post edited 25 Jul 2019 10:09]
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That's fair comment and number 3 does give him plenty of time in the middle potentially too. | |
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| Cricket issues... on 10:10 - Jul 25 with 1519 views | IpswichKnight |
| Cricket issues... on 10:06 - Jul 25 by Herbivore |
I'd probably have Woakes in, I like him as a cricketer and he's quick enough to be a main bowler whilst also being able to chip in a few lower order runs.
I've seen worse shouts than Stokes at three. He doesn't bowl so much now and is in the side mainly for his batting. He has solid technique and plays to the game situation very well.
Edit - Woakes in the side, not batting at three. [Post edited 25 Jul 2019 10:09]
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Disagree about Woakes once the shine has gone he's got nothing and will go around the park, He won't be taking the new ball with Anderson, Broad and Archer and if he's not taking the new ball he shouldn't be picked. I'd like to see Stone with the new ball in the Irish 2nd innings ( if there is one! ).
Not really sure who is out there who could come in at three at the moment. Stokes is not the worse shout ever. |  | | |
| Cricket issues... on 10:10 - Jul 25 with 1516 views | Reuser_is_God |
I wouldn't have Burns anywhere near the side.
Stokes at 3 is worth a go for the reasons you've stated. |  |
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| Cricket issues... on 10:14 - Jul 25 with 1501 views | gainsboroughblue |
In the current climate, Root could bat at 6 and still be out in the middle within an hour. |  |
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| Cricket issues... on 10:29 - Jul 25 with 1457 views | franz_tyson |
Stokes at 3 would not be a bad shout. He’s adjusted his game and seems more mature with decent technique. Can’t help feel that management should make Root bat at 3. He effectively comes in early anyway as we’re 2 down often with 30 runs on the board.
Moeen at 7? No way should he bat higher than 8. Woakes and Curran are better batsmen. Mo’s got to prove he’s a genuine all-rounder, rather than living of past run-making. He should only be in the side alone for his bowling. Can’t help feel he’s being used as a poster boy for multi-culturism and that seems to be keeping him in the side or up the order. Him yesterday at 6 was a joke, and he should focus on being our number 1 spin bowler.
Woakes or Curran at 7 or 8. Stokes is that extra seamer so Anderson and Archer as 10 and 11.
I’m a bit non-plussed that Ben Foakes wasn’t given more of a chance. Better wicket keeper than Bairstow and looked to have the game for TM cricket. But Jonny got his way again. | | | |
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| Cricket issues... on 10:37 - Jul 25 with 1438 views | itfcjoe |
| Cricket issues... on 10:29 - Jul 25 by franz_tyson |
Stokes at 3 would not be a bad shout. He’s adjusted his game and seems more mature with decent technique. Can’t help feel that management should make Root bat at 3. He effectively comes in early anyway as we’re 2 down often with 30 runs on the board.
Moeen at 7? No way should he bat higher than 8. Woakes and Curran are better batsmen. Mo’s got to prove he’s a genuine all-rounder, rather than living of past run-making. He should only be in the side alone for his bowling. Can’t help feel he’s being used as a poster boy for multi-culturism and that seems to be keeping him in the side or up the order. Him yesterday at 6 was a joke, and he should focus on being our number 1 spin bowler.
Woakes or Curran at 7 or 8. Stokes is that extra seamer so Anderson and Archer as 10 and 11.
I’m a bit non-plussed that Ben Foakes wasn’t given more of a chance. Better wicket keeper than Bairstow and looked to have the game for TM cricket. But Jonny got his way again. |
Bairstow seems to have far too much sway in the setup | |
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| Cricket issues... on 10:39 - Jul 25 with 1428 views | sparks |
| Cricket issues... on 10:29 - Jul 25 by franz_tyson |
Stokes at 3 would not be a bad shout. He’s adjusted his game and seems more mature with decent technique. Can’t help feel that management should make Root bat at 3. He effectively comes in early anyway as we’re 2 down often with 30 runs on the board.
Moeen at 7? No way should he bat higher than 8. Woakes and Curran are better batsmen. Mo’s got to prove he’s a genuine all-rounder, rather than living of past run-making. He should only be in the side alone for his bowling. Can’t help feel he’s being used as a poster boy for multi-culturism and that seems to be keeping him in the side or up the order. Him yesterday at 6 was a joke, and he should focus on being our number 1 spin bowler.
Woakes or Curran at 7 or 8. Stokes is that extra seamer so Anderson and Archer as 10 and 11.
I’m a bit non-plussed that Ben Foakes wasn’t given more of a chance. Better wicket keeper than Bairstow and looked to have the game for TM cricket. But Jonny got his way again. |
Mo has an average of 30 batting down the order and 5 tons, 14 50s. Not bad for a 7. | |
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| Cricket issues... on 10:39 - Jul 25 with 1426 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Cricket issues... on 10:06 - Jul 25 by Herbivore |
I'd probably have Woakes in, I like him as a cricketer and he's quick enough to be a main bowler whilst also being able to chip in a few lower order runs.
I've seen worse shouts than Stokes at three. He doesn't bowl so much now and is in the side mainly for his batting. He has solid technique and plays to the game situation very well.
Edit - Woakes in the side, not batting at three. [Post edited 25 Jul 2019 10:09]
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Why not just pick the Ireland team? After all they can all be as English as Morgan. Sprinkle in a couple of Australians, a New Zealander. Fast track in a bloke from Barbados and hey presto the squad is complete | |
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| Cricket issues... on 10:47 - Jul 25 with 1382 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Cricket issues... on 10:39 - Jul 25 by ElephantintheRoom |
Why not just pick the Ireland team? After all they can all be as English as Morgan. Sprinkle in a couple of Australians, a New Zealander. Fast track in a bloke from Barbados and hey presto the squad is complete |
There is an argument that Murtagh has put himself in with a good shout for a Lords test certainly. | |
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| Cricket issues... on 10:58 - Jul 25 with 1353 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket issues... on 10:05 - Jul 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I would argue bowling would be nearly as much a burden as having been captain in the field.
Whether one or other is better there is not down to that argument.
How did Moeen do there? Would one of the other specialist batsman do the job?
We really need to get 2 good openers too. |
A vaguely reliable top 3 is far & away England's biggest problem & it has been for about 7 years. We have tried umpteen different openers & none of them look up to the job, hence the logic of having a lucky dip with Roy, who at least has proven ability. If we had better openers, Root could & should bat at 3, but as captain he gets to choose where he bats. Given the current lack of batters, Bairstow at 3 for me with Foakes to keep wicket. Stokes can easily bat at 5 & a good case for Buttler at 6 if you can cope with 3 wicket keepers in the team. That leaves Foakes at 7, Moeen at 8 then 3 bowlers. If all fit (not Wood - he's never fit enough for Test cricket) I'd pick Archer, Anderson & Broad or Woakes, but with 5 Tests in 6 weeks we'll meed plenty in reserve. Stone can step in for Archer to add some pace. |  |
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| Cricket issues... on 11:12 - Jul 25 with 1315 views | Herbivore |
| Cricket issues... on 10:29 - Jul 25 by franz_tyson |
Stokes at 3 would not be a bad shout. He’s adjusted his game and seems more mature with decent technique. Can’t help feel that management should make Root bat at 3. He effectively comes in early anyway as we’re 2 down often with 30 runs on the board.
Moeen at 7? No way should he bat higher than 8. Woakes and Curran are better batsmen. Mo’s got to prove he’s a genuine all-rounder, rather than living of past run-making. He should only be in the side alone for his bowling. Can’t help feel he’s being used as a poster boy for multi-culturism and that seems to be keeping him in the side or up the order. Him yesterday at 6 was a joke, and he should focus on being our number 1 spin bowler.
Woakes or Curran at 7 or 8. Stokes is that extra seamer so Anderson and Archer as 10 and 11.
I’m a bit non-plussed that Ben Foakes wasn’t given more of a chance. Better wicket keeper than Bairstow and looked to have the game for TM cricket. But Jonny got his way again. |
Your views on Moeen are highly questionable. | |
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| Cricket issues... on 11:29 - Jul 25 with 1299 views | christiand |
Jack Leach looks your answer to that troublesome No.3 spot!!  | |
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| Cricket issues... on 11:45 - Jul 25 with 1277 views | LKW15 |
| Cricket issues... on 11:12 - Jul 25 by Herbivore |
Your views on Moeen are highly questionable. |
Agree, There is no doubt he is badly out of form with the bat and has been for a while but the multiculturalism bit is guff. i imagine He is still in the team because he is a proven test spin option of which we have very few in this country for a number of reasons | | | |
| Cricket issues... on 12:08 - Jul 25 with 1231 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Cricket issues... on 11:29 - Jul 25 by christiand |
Jack Leach looks your answer to that troublesome No.3 spot!! |
The Taunton Lara.
Just shows how poor Burns is. | |
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