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An insiders take on Brexit 08:09 - Aug 9 with 4970 viewsbluelagos

Had a catch up with a mate last night, whose current gig is at the home office.

Picked up the following opinions, not going to argue the toss, just relaying what I was told...

The plan is to focus on the backstop, knowing the EU wont materially budge. That means no deal (they want this) with the govt able to point the blame at EU intransigence.

They know this will likely mean an election (just before or after Oct 31) Either way, they are confident they would win an election (brave or stupid) and see this as the way to lance the Brexit Party and take Labour seats oop north.

They believe that by leaving with 'no deal' this will force the EU to give them a better exit and future deal as they will be desperate to get s good deal in place after we have left.

Mate (who thinks they are basicially mad) says there is a religiious like zeal, determination, focus on acheiving 'no deal' as they believe this is the best way to get best deal, and to hell with the consequences. He was clear they are not ready for 'No deal' as the level of preparations would be huge for it to be manageable.

**All the above is just one opinion, and I did point out that the last time we caught up, he was adamant BJ would never be PM as he was disliked by too many MPs, so he was well off the mark on tbat one...



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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:10 - Aug 9 with 3304 viewschicoazul

It's so weird how any "insider info" & insider opinions we hear on here elsewhere and IRL is always basically the same.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:16 - Aug 9 with 3254 viewsElephantintheRoom

Not really an insider's view is it as the home office are working at the behest of the cabal in Downing Street? The only way no deal can be stopped now is a legal challenge as the lunatics in charge of the asylum have made clear that BJ will hang on after he loses the inevitable vote of no confidence. This is of course treason, which is why the legal challenge is already prepared and simply waiting for the loonies to demonstrate that they are committing treason by blocking the very paroliament they claim Brexit restores power too. Definite info.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:18 - Aug 9 with 3238 viewsfooters

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:10 - Aug 9 by chicoazul

It's so weird how any "insider info" & insider opinions we hear on here elsewhere and IRL is always basically the same.


My source says the complete opposite.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:30 - Aug 9 with 3211 viewsmeekreech

If your mate works at the foreign office he is a part of the civil service and is automatically against brexit as freedom from beaurocracy is against their nature. This will be another form of project fear and intended to attract attention for self preservation of the remainers lack of honour in ignoring the result of the vote for brexit.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:31 - Aug 9 with 3199 viewsm14_blue

Brexiteers lied to the people about how easy a deal would be to make.

When this was shown to be nonsense they created this absurd fallacy that we could get a good deal if only we pretended we didn't really want one (whilst telling the world that this was our plan).

Now that has also been shown to be nonsense they have moved on to pretending no deal was always the plan and we'll get a great deal afterwards.

The reckoning for these liars will be severe, their legacy one of extreme damage to the country they profess to love, economic crisis and the break up of the union.

However, what amazes me is not that Boris, Nige, JRM, Aaron Banks et al have shown themselves to be despicable, clueless, deceitful, morally bankrupt chancers, it's that somehow they retain the support of around half the country. It's madness.

It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.
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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:33 - Aug 9 with 3189 viewsfactual_blue

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:30 - Aug 9 by meekreech

If your mate works at the foreign office he is a part of the civil service and is automatically against brexit as freedom from beaurocracy is against their nature. This will be another form of project fear and intended to attract attention for self preservation of the remainers lack of honour in ignoring the result of the vote for brexit.


You don't quite grasp that we have an independent and impartial Civil Service, do you?

Good to see you wheel out the 'project fear' tropes though.

And your spelling needs some work.
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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:34 - Aug 9 with 3173 viewsMoriarty

Try Chris Cook’s book.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-a-spiffin

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:35 - Aug 9 with 3172 viewsSteve_M

This is the line that the Johnson fansheets formerly known as newspapers are pushing but there is one major flaw there.

"They believe that by leaving with 'no deal' this will force the EU to give them a better exit and future deal as they will be desperate to get s good deal in place after we have left."

The EU will not be as desperate for a deal as the UK will be, it's going right back to 2016 and "they need us more than we need them" ballacks that three years of reality has done nothing to dispel.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:36 - Aug 9 with 3152 viewschicoazul

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:33 - Aug 9 by factual_blue

You don't quite grasp that we have an independent and impartial Civil Service, do you?

Good to see you wheel out the 'project fear' tropes though.

And your spelling needs some work.
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You told us all the other day the Civil Service will soon see off Cummings so we shouldn't worry about him. Not very independent and impartial that, is it?

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:39 - Aug 9 with 3138 viewsSteve_M

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:36 - Aug 9 by chicoazul

You told us all the other day the Civil Service will soon see off Cummings so we shouldn't worry about him. Not very independent and impartial that, is it?


I think that reflects, as much as anything else, that the media hyperbole around Cummings is rather similar to that around Nick Timothy three years ago.

Although this is rather good despite the fact that the interface makes the Independent pretty much unreadable:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dominic-cummings-brexit-boris-johnson-vote-

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:41 - Aug 9 with 3116 viewsMoriarty

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:18 - Aug 9 by footers

My source says the complete opposite.


It’s all so confusing. Which is understandable given BJ voted both for and against May’s deal. And BJ doesn’t have a stare like Roy Keane. So I reckon you’re all fu@cked.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:42 - Aug 9 with 3117 viewschicoazul

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:39 - Aug 9 by Steve_M

I think that reflects, as much as anything else, that the media hyperbole around Cummings is rather similar to that around Nick Timothy three years ago.

Although this is rather good despite the fact that the interface makes the Independent pretty much unreadable:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dominic-cummings-brexit-boris-johnson-vote-


It's the same as it was with that tw@t Cameron employed cant remember his name, Alistair Capmbell, Bernard Ingham, etc etc
Load of guff.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:48 - Aug 9 with 3082 viewsHerbivore

The flaw in the plan is that if we leave with no deal we will immediately need a deal far more than the EU does. Their no deal prep is far more advanced than ours and the impact on them will be less significant than it will on us. When we go back to them to ask for a deal they will want to discuss the divorce settlement, rights of EU citizens, and the Irish border issue before any trade deal is discussed. In other words we're back to square one except we've fooked the economy and left ourselves in an even weaker negotiating position. We we being governed by a bunch of incompetent morons who think colonial bluster will get us a great deal. It won't.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:56 - Aug 9 with 3029 viewsMoriarty

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:48 - Aug 9 by Herbivore

The flaw in the plan is that if we leave with no deal we will immediately need a deal far more than the EU does. Their no deal prep is far more advanced than ours and the impact on them will be less significant than it will on us. When we go back to them to ask for a deal they will want to discuss the divorce settlement, rights of EU citizens, and the Irish border issue before any trade deal is discussed. In other words we're back to square one except we've fooked the economy and left ourselves in an even weaker negotiating position. We we being governed by a bunch of incompetent morons who think colonial bluster will get us a great deal. It won't.


There’s a US bump in road for BJ as well.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/31/brexit-mes

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An insiders take on Brexit on 09:15 - Aug 9 with 2959 viewsGuthrum

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:30 - Aug 9 by meekreech

If your mate works at the foreign office he is a part of the civil service and is automatically against brexit as freedom from beaurocracy is against their nature. This will be another form of project fear and intended to attract attention for self preservation of the remainers lack of honour in ignoring the result of the vote for brexit.


You do know that bureaucracy is what enables civilisations to function? Has been the case for the last 7,000 years*. Without it there is just shambles.


* The earliest surviving writings are accounts and lists of laws.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 09:26 - Aug 9 with 2918 viewsBlueBadger

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:30 - Aug 9 by meekreech

If your mate works at the foreign office he is a part of the civil service and is automatically against brexit as freedom from beaurocracy is against their nature. This will be another form of project fear and intended to attract attention for self preservation of the remainers lack of honour in ignoring the result of the vote for brexit.


Or, as they're known 'an expert'?

I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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An insiders take on Brexit on 09:27 - Aug 9 with 2915 viewsBlueBadger

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:10 - Aug 9 by chicoazul

It's so weird how any "insider info" & insider opinions we hear on here elsewhere and IRL is always basically the same.


It's almost like facts don't change, regardless of source.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 09:56 - Aug 9 with 2831 viewsGuthrum

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:36 - Aug 9 by chicoazul

You told us all the other day the Civil Service will soon see off Cummings so we shouldn't worry about him. Not very independent and impartial that, is it?


The Civil Service is there to ensure that processes continue to run smoothly, unless altered by Parliamentary legislative change. If someone comes along whose aim is to find ways of breaking the system and circumventing proper channels, then the CS will inevitably be a block to that.

If Johnson's government can pass a vote in favour of No Deal, then the Civil Service will put it into action. If they try to get around the fact that they can't, by bending the law, then there will be opposition.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 10:44 - Aug 9 with 2747 viewsGuthrum

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:31 - Aug 9 by m14_blue

Brexiteers lied to the people about how easy a deal would be to make.

When this was shown to be nonsense they created this absurd fallacy that we could get a good deal if only we pretended we didn't really want one (whilst telling the world that this was our plan).

Now that has also been shown to be nonsense they have moved on to pretending no deal was always the plan and we'll get a great deal afterwards.

The reckoning for these liars will be severe, their legacy one of extreme damage to the country they profess to love, economic crisis and the break up of the union.

However, what amazes me is not that Boris, Nige, JRM, Aaron Banks et al have shown themselves to be despicable, clueless, deceitful, morally bankrupt chancers, it's that somehow they retain the support of around half the country. It's madness.

It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.


It's not easy to admit you've made a mistake, especially on an important issue.

Moreover, the hard-liners can still point to a never-never future where things will turn out alright in the end - and it's impossible for the rationalists to disprove what they are saying (not being based on rationality in the first place, but rather faith).

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An insiders take on Brexit on 10:51 - Aug 9 with 2718 viewsHerbivore

An insiders take on Brexit on 10:44 - Aug 9 by Guthrum

It's not easy to admit you've made a mistake, especially on an important issue.

Moreover, the hard-liners can still point to a never-never future where things will turn out alright in the end - and it's impossible for the rationalists to disprove what they are saying (not being based on rationality in the first place, but rather faith).


Plus they can always sell the fantasy that it would have been wonderful if only the EU had cooperated/remoaners had got behind the country.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 10:52 - Aug 9 with 2713 viewsfactual_blue

An insiders take on Brexit on 08:48 - Aug 9 by Herbivore

The flaw in the plan is that if we leave with no deal we will immediately need a deal far more than the EU does. Their no deal prep is far more advanced than ours and the impact on them will be less significant than it will on us. When we go back to them to ask for a deal they will want to discuss the divorce settlement, rights of EU citizens, and the Irish border issue before any trade deal is discussed. In other words we're back to square one except we've fooked the economy and left ourselves in an even weaker negotiating position. We we being governed by a bunch of incompetent morons who think colonial bluster will get us a great deal. It won't.


BUT WEE AV A M PYRE.

ENDOF

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An insiders take on Brexit on 10:53 - Aug 9 with 2706 viewsfooters

An insiders take on Brexit on 10:52 - Aug 9 by factual_blue

BUT WEE AV A M PYRE.

ENDOF


Pyre is apt.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 10:54 - Aug 9 with 2701 viewschicoazul

An insiders take on Brexit on 09:56 - Aug 9 by Guthrum

The Civil Service is there to ensure that processes continue to run smoothly, unless altered by Parliamentary legislative change. If someone comes along whose aim is to find ways of breaking the system and circumventing proper channels, then the CS will inevitably be a block to that.

If Johnson's government can pass a vote in favour of No Deal, then the Civil Service will put it into action. If they try to get around the fact that they can't, by bending the law, then there will be opposition.


If someone comes along whose aim is to find ways of breaking the system and circumventing proper channels, then the CS will inevitably be a block to that.


What if that someone has won an election on that basis?

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An insiders take on Brexit on 11:06 - Aug 9 with 2669 viewsHerbivore

An insiders take on Brexit on 10:54 - Aug 9 by chicoazul

If someone comes along whose aim is to find ways of breaking the system and circumventing proper channels, then the CS will inevitably be a block to that.


What if that someone has won an election on that basis?


But they haven't.

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An insiders take on Brexit on 08:31 - Aug 9 by m14_blue

Brexiteers lied to the people about how easy a deal would be to make.

When this was shown to be nonsense they created this absurd fallacy that we could get a good deal if only we pretended we didn't really want one (whilst telling the world that this was our plan).

Now that has also been shown to be nonsense they have moved on to pretending no deal was always the plan and we'll get a great deal afterwards.

The reckoning for these liars will be severe, their legacy one of extreme damage to the country they profess to love, economic crisis and the break up of the union.

However, what amazes me is not that Boris, Nige, JRM, Aaron Banks et al have shown themselves to be despicable, clueless, deceitful, morally bankrupt chancers, it's that somehow they retain the support of around half the country. It's madness.

It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.


You sound more like me than I do. That's a good thing.

Anyway, about your Mark Twain quote. It baffles me how you can get someone who's had such a privileged existence, so divorced from normal people, to run a campaign which is billed more or less as "the people against parliament". Where is the media pulling this man apart"?

Brexit has become as meaningless as dividing the country randomly into two halves, clothing one team in beige and the other grey, radicalising both sides and getting them to fight for their shared values which run no deeper than the colour of the shirts they wear.

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